Joyce: Look, I’m not saying you have to tell me, but lets just say in the hypothetical match-up between you and Joe, this could be an effective tie-breaker.
Yeah I know Joyce don’t know any better, but I really REALLY hope Dorothy is thorough to her about this lest she get on the bad side of Carla or someone even less forgiving ?
–Dave, i’m sure English has used that as a euphemism at SOME point in the past. …right? . . . Google says several actual bakeries, including one in Hawaii, and various brands of pie. but NO euphemism? i am disappoint!
ps: sorry, pushed ‘report’ when i wanted ‘reply’. bad Dave
Carla assumes everyone else is a moron. I’m not sure she’d care. If anything she’d be annoyed that Joyce was paying attention to her because she’s trans, not because she’s awesome.
Then again, not knowing means there was a point in time where Joyce was not paying attention to her at all.
Daniel M Ball
or it could be that THE SUBJECT WASN’T IMPORTANT to Joyce until someone decided to make a big noise about the whole thing. Joyce doesn’t look (so far) at someone who presents like Carla and say to herself “Hey, I want to shag that person” because up to now, to JOYCE, Carla’s a girl, and thus, not in her sights as someone to shag, thus she’s not going to pay much, if any, attention to what’s between Carla’s legs…because she just doesn’t care. it’s not relevant in Joyce-Land…until some pundit or other starts making a big deal about it. (Which they do, and have, and continue to do.)
This, is a mark of Carla’s success-someone like Joyce who has no other ulterior motives NEITHER NOTICES NOR CARES until someone makes a public stink that they really, have zero right to be making. (looking both at the noisy fundies, and the activists on that one, on both sides of the curtain or aisle.)
Used to be, back in the dark, dark days of yore, that NOBODY GAVE A SHIT, it wasn’t important, it wasn’t some existential cultural struggle or platform for an election (with the nasty side of me thinking it’s more or less someone ashamed of their erection. The religious right is LOADED with barely disguised closet cases who need to chill the fuck out and stop projecting their own kinks on other people while denying them to their friends…who probably have the same kinks and are just as ashamed of it.)
Carla successfully passes the “If you didn’t tell Me I wouldn’t Know or care” test-that is, the REAL LIFE test.
That’s success. That’s successful. Presents as a woman (albeit one with some obnoxious tendencies) and treated as a woman, END POINT, that’s doing very well indeed.
GreyICE
Used to be back in the dark days of yore “that dirty liar tricked me into thinking ‘he’ was a woman” was enough to get you off of a murder charge. Used to be that a body meant the police shrugged, and didn’t care.
Lets not romanticize the “dark days of yore” here.
it happens
Yeah especially because ‘yore’ was practically yesterday. It was only the last few years that some old guy murdered his neighbor and his entire defense was “I’m not gay”. Got six months in jail and 100 hours of community service. And this was in a very, very blue city.
GingerMadman
Your entire premise is incredible problematic here. Weather you intend to or not, you are pushing the idea that a transgender person HAS to transition and HAS to “Successfully Present” in order to be treated with respect. And that is false, and dangerous and potentially damaging to transgender people who don’t have the means or ability to transition.
To be honest, her family’s money and influence – and Carla’s clear abilities in science/engineering – make it seem unlikely to me that she’d actually be going to a state school rather than say MIT or Caltech.
Thag Simmons
Carla does not seem like the type to want to go to a really fancy school. IU is local and maybe her parents went here.
Ophidiophile
Too much competition. Carla will be nothing less than a Big Fish. Even if the pond isn’t the biggest.
GreyICE
You assume her family is supportive. It feels like they’re nuveau riche – not connected enough to automatically get Ivy enrollments just for their name, and not willing to throw around the sums of money it takes to randomly get your kid enrolled in an Ivy. We also don’t know how Carla’s grades are – transitioning often has associated mental health issues that impact school performance, and just because she’s a great engineer doesn’t mean she has the 5.0 GPA and bevy of AP credits needed to support that.
Thag Simmons
We know her family is supportive.
We also know her family run a massive company that seemingly makes everything from phones to automobiles, which makes them absurdly rich. Like potentially more wealth than the rest of the main cast’s families put together, which given Jason, Jennifer and Asher is substantial.
jflb96
Yeah, but it’s money that they extracted themselves, so the connections are still lacking
GreyICE
Wealth is wealth, power is power. Wealth certainly can buy your way into it, but that’s to some extend gaudy. Ostentatious. Believe me, the old money thinks Elon Musk is just as much of a clown as the rest of us do.
Sure, they’ll take his money, but you won’t find a general finding his kid a comfy seat in the air force reserve if there’s a draft, no one is going to show up to his kids failing oil business and give them a lucrative contract just because. The most he gets is the sort of transactional respect that someone like Putin might give him, and even then look how many favors that got him.
Nuveau Riche. You can buy all the toys, but that’s not a seat in the club.
Bleuryder
Unless her being Trans had something to do with her not being in a school like that. Notice that she has her own dorm, it could be because of her parent’s money/influence or because the school is not risking anything.
Some Ed
I knew plenty of people at school who should’ve been able to get into a “more prestigious” school, given their parents’ fame and influence. I did not go to a more prestigious school than IU. They were better in some areas and worse at others – yet some of the children of money I knew went to the school I did despite IU officially being better for their major. They never did it because the school I went to was in state and IU wasn’t.
If I’m remembering correctly, one of them had their school chosen for them because it was their parent’s alma mater, and another because it was their parents’ alma mater.
Many of them claimed it was because they had evaluated schools by a rigorous process they weren’t interested in disclosing which indicated our school was the best at actually teaching their major, regardless of what average starting salaries might claim. Some of them were actually supported in saying that our school was the best for their field, even if somewhere like Harvard would like people to believe otherwise.
BBCC
There are lots of reasons besides money why someone might go to a state school instead. Maybe Carla’s a legacy or her parents donate a lot to this school so they wanted her to go there? Maybe it had better policies on things like dorm rooms for her? Maybe she wanted to be close to home in case of an emergency? Who knows?
Yeah. We know Harrison cut his teeth taking down a major piece of anti-trans legislation, he knows Carla on a first name basis, his firm has a lot of her parent’s money and Carla assumes everyone already knows that she is trans.
Which taken together implies a highly publicized court case around Carla’s transition.
Don’t I recall a one-panel flashback to a Time cover story about her case, a couple of hundred strips ago?
thejeff
Newsweek actually, but yes. It’s been mentioned a few times.
Aimless Ranting
Yeah, main one I remember is during the fire alarm/kidnapping ploy. Someone said something about everyone being out, and she made a comment that she’s “been out since that cover of Newsweek.”
Most likely due to her parents being quite rich and renowned, especially if her parents were… gasp, putting their funding into LGBT+ friendly bills and trying to fight for their daughter! Stop the presses!! We can’t have that in our CCCCHRISTIAN AMERICA.
As people brought up yesterday, she was on the cover of Newsweek when she came out. It’s almost certainly on Carla’s parents’ “personal life” section of Wikipedia, assuming Carla doesn’t have a page for herself. (Probably not, but hard to say.)
Now, it’s POSSIBLE this was like, seven or eight years ago and no one in the dorm knows except the ones who’ve indicated they DEFINITELY do (Dorothy, Sal, Mary, Ruth), but given things like Carla saying drawing a dick on her whiteboard was a hate crime before realizing everyone else had them (and it was therefore hilarious,) she definitely ACTS like her default assumption is “people know/probably know.”
Do you really think Carla hasn’t set herself up a thoroughly credible alternate personality just so she could create a Wikipedia page about herself without being caught?
Ah, someone knows the COI stuff at W*ikipedia. It’s possible you’ve even trawled the W*ikipediocracy forums.
Quirdry Tawks
Only enough to ensure I’m still Certified Non-notable.
whew. Dodged a bullet there.
Regalli
I mean, yeah, that is definitely a distinct possibility. It’s also possible she had one without having to intervene just from the Newsweek/court case/kid of tech billionaires stuff combined. (At the very least, I’d be certain the court case has a page in its own right.)
It’s also possible Carla’s waiting until she’s patented her first major innovation in pie-throwing technology to start working on that. You know, so she can say she’s thoroughly earned it.
When she runs into Harrison in the elevator, he says something like “didn’t you use to be just this tall”, which suggests it was quite awhile back.
I’d say her assumption is probably more “people could know” and when there’s something like the whiteboard dingdong it’s an obvious assumption that whoever drew it knew.
She also almost never brings it up on her own. For all the “pay attention to me” shtick, being trans isn’t something she uses that way. Anyone might know, but she’s just as happy if they don’t.
ah right, i only remembered the subtext, not the text =)
BBCC
The “this tall” was like a head shorter than she currently is. That indicates that at most it was before her last growth spurt. She’s 19 so that was like….what four or five years ago? That’s hardly ‘quite a while back’ or so far back the others wouldn’t remember seeing it everywhere for a while.
Honestly, I’m kinda surprised Joyce doesn’t know. It seems like the kind of thing her parents would want to protest.
David DeLaney
It’s already been brought up that it seems fairly clear one large reason for her “Annoy All Indiscriminately / Pay Attention To MEEEE” schtick, at least in this setting where she’s never been Ultracar at all, is to focus folks’ attention ON something other than her being trans. most folks only have so much attention to spare, after all.
–Dave, it’s related to Dina giving Ethan her hat at the LGBTQIA+ meeting, so people had something else to focus on about him, which calmed his neuroses.
Carla 100% has her own page. Relatives of famous people would be likely enough to have at least a stub even if they’re otherwise not notable. The presumed subject of a prominent legal battle would certainly have one. And I’m pretty sure someone would warrant a blurb just for appearing on Newsweek even if they’d never done anything else of note. There’s absolutely no way Carla doesn’t have a page.
Honestly, is it ‘outing’ someone if they’ve been on the cover of Newsweek? There comes a point when the person is out, and that’s got to be the situation here. Joyce could easily find out Carla’s identity just from that tidbit alone, really, so Dorothy is not really accomplishing much here by refusing to tell the one girl on the wing who doesn’t know about Carla.
If someone isn’t aware, then yes, telling them would be outing the individual in question.
lyzyrdwyzyrd
I think there’s a fuzzy point where it becomes acceptable .
Like, for instance Stephen Fry, Elton John, Chaz Bono.
But even people who have that sort of stuff in their profile on social media, or have pride flags or stickers, atleast to me. I’m bi, I have a little sticker on my name badge at work.
If the person in question is ‘out’ then imo they’re ‘out’ and you can’t ‘out’ someone who isp ublicly ‘out’. Like, at a certain point pretending that someone isn’t queer and out is erasure.
Dorothy isn’t saying ‘I won’t out her to you’ she’s saying ‘I won’t out her to you if you’re going to be weird about it’. Dorothy is just being polite so Joyce doesn’t pester Carla.
This implies that, if Dorothy *did* tell Joyce, either it would slide off of Joyce’s brain like water off a teflon-coated windshield, or there’s someone else on the floor who doesn’t know. By not pushing, Dorothy’s leaving room for the more comfortable third option that Joyce just wasn’t paying attention.
Now I want to write the song, secret weenus. Has to be folk punk.
“DOES SHE HAVE A SECRET WEENUS/it’s no secret she has two/she shakes em both all over town/when she dances the boogaloo” (weenus is the skin on people’s elbows)
We also know that she’s on a first name basis with a lawyer who made his name striking down a major piece of anti-trans legislation and who her parents employed.
Yeah, between “kid of high-profile tech magnates” (consider Elon Musk’s son’s name making the news, or his daughter’s name change to tell him to go fuck himself while also updating her name because she’s trans, or yeah, John Jolie-Pitt,) and the clear implications the Ruttens were involved with Harrison’s big case involving trans rights, it makes a lot of sense.
Are you surprised? I know she’s come a long way but I never thought the ‘Joyce learns about trans people’ character development would happen offscreen.
but yes, I know the characters have a lot to learn, but some…well, they are a challenge.
DailyBrad
I actually sort of find it *less* offensive that she entertained the possibility, versus a “we can always tell” overconfidence in “clocking” that transphobes often have.
Joyce seems to be out of her depth rather than paranoid or hateful.
337 thoughts on “Magazines”
Doctor_Who
Joyce: Look, I’m not saying you have to tell me, but lets just say in the hypothetical match-up between you and Joe, this could be an effective tie-breaker.
Sirksome
Tie breaker? Please. They both know Dorothy clears easily.
Decidedly Orthogonal
But the Maytag Repair Man remains king.
NGPZ
Yeah I know Joyce don’t know any better, but I really REALLY hope Dorothy is thorough to her about this lest she get on the bad side of Carla or someone even less forgiving ?
Doctor_Who
Joyce: Don’t worry, I’m way better about this stuff than I used to be. Watch, I’ll go say hi to Carla and won’t be weird or anything.
(Joyce walks away. Beat panel. Joyce walks back with pie on her face.)
Joyce: I may have been slightly weird. Or not, it’s hard to tell with Carla, this might just be “Hi”.
Needfuldoer
Hey, no spoilers!
David DeLaney
so Carla gave Dorothy a hi pie!
–Dave, i’m sure English has used that as a euphemism at SOME point in the past. …right? . . . Google says several actual bakeries, including one in Hawaii, and various brands of pie. but NO euphemism? i am disappoint!
ps: sorry, pushed ‘report’ when i wanted ‘reply’. bad Dave
Quirdry Tawks
Carla will be far more upset at someone not knowing Who She Is.
GreyICE
Carla assumes everyone else is a moron. I’m not sure she’d care. If anything she’d be annoyed that Joyce was paying attention to her because she’s trans, not because she’s awesome.
Xaeon
Then again, not knowing means there was a point in time where Joyce was not paying attention to her at all.
Daniel M Ball
or it could be that THE SUBJECT WASN’T IMPORTANT to Joyce until someone decided to make a big noise about the whole thing. Joyce doesn’t look (so far) at someone who presents like Carla and say to herself “Hey, I want to shag that person” because up to now, to JOYCE, Carla’s a girl, and thus, not in her sights as someone to shag, thus she’s not going to pay much, if any, attention to what’s between Carla’s legs…because she just doesn’t care. it’s not relevant in Joyce-Land…until some pundit or other starts making a big deal about it. (Which they do, and have, and continue to do.)
This, is a mark of Carla’s success-someone like Joyce who has no other ulterior motives NEITHER NOTICES NOR CARES until someone makes a public stink that they really, have zero right to be making. (looking both at the noisy fundies, and the activists on that one, on both sides of the curtain or aisle.)
Used to be, back in the dark, dark days of yore, that NOBODY GAVE A SHIT, it wasn’t important, it wasn’t some existential cultural struggle or platform for an election (with the nasty side of me thinking it’s more or less someone ashamed of their erection. The religious right is LOADED with barely disguised closet cases who need to chill the fuck out and stop projecting their own kinks on other people while denying them to their friends…who probably have the same kinks and are just as ashamed of it.)
Carla successfully passes the “If you didn’t tell Me I wouldn’t Know or care” test-that is, the REAL LIFE test.
That’s success. That’s successful. Presents as a woman (albeit one with some obnoxious tendencies) and treated as a woman, END POINT, that’s doing very well indeed.
GreyICE
Used to be back in the dark days of yore “that dirty liar tricked me into thinking ‘he’ was a woman” was enough to get you off of a murder charge. Used to be that a body meant the police shrugged, and didn’t care.
Lets not romanticize the “dark days of yore” here.
it happens
Yeah especially because ‘yore’ was practically yesterday. It was only the last few years that some old guy murdered his neighbor and his entire defense was “I’m not gay”. Got six months in jail and 100 hours of community service. And this was in a very, very blue city.
GingerMadman
Your entire premise is incredible problematic here. Weather you intend to or not, you are pushing the idea that a transgender person HAS to transition and HAS to “Successfully Present” in order to be treated with respect. And that is false, and dangerous and potentially damaging to transgender people who don’t have the means or ability to transition.
Sirksome
It was national news?
Dday
Her family is pretty dang wealthy/powerful, coulda been something during tge timeskip
Otl1973
To be honest, her family’s money and influence – and Carla’s clear abilities in science/engineering – make it seem unlikely to me that she’d actually be going to a state school rather than say MIT or Caltech.
Thag Simmons
Carla does not seem like the type to want to go to a really fancy school. IU is local and maybe her parents went here.
Ophidiophile
Too much competition. Carla will be nothing less than a Big Fish. Even if the pond isn’t the biggest.
GreyICE
You assume her family is supportive. It feels like they’re nuveau riche – not connected enough to automatically get Ivy enrollments just for their name, and not willing to throw around the sums of money it takes to randomly get your kid enrolled in an Ivy. We also don’t know how Carla’s grades are – transitioning often has associated mental health issues that impact school performance, and just because she’s a great engineer doesn’t mean she has the 5.0 GPA and bevy of AP credits needed to support that.
Thag Simmons
We know her family is supportive.
We also know her family run a massive company that seemingly makes everything from phones to automobiles, which makes them absurdly rich. Like potentially more wealth than the rest of the main cast’s families put together, which given Jason, Jennifer and Asher is substantial.
jflb96
Yeah, but it’s money that they extracted themselves, so the connections are still lacking
GreyICE
Wealth is wealth, power is power. Wealth certainly can buy your way into it, but that’s to some extend gaudy. Ostentatious. Believe me, the old money thinks Elon Musk is just as much of a clown as the rest of us do.
Sure, they’ll take his money, but you won’t find a general finding his kid a comfy seat in the air force reserve if there’s a draft, no one is going to show up to his kids failing oil business and give them a lucrative contract just because. The most he gets is the sort of transactional respect that someone like Putin might give him, and even then look how many favors that got him.
Nuveau Riche. You can buy all the toys, but that’s not a seat in the club.
Bleuryder
Unless her being Trans had something to do with her not being in a school like that. Notice that she has her own dorm, it could be because of her parent’s money/influence or because the school is not risking anything.
Some Ed
I knew plenty of people at school who should’ve been able to get into a “more prestigious” school, given their parents’ fame and influence. I did not go to a more prestigious school than IU. They were better in some areas and worse at others – yet some of the children of money I knew went to the school I did despite IU officially being better for their major. They never did it because the school I went to was in state and IU wasn’t.
If I’m remembering correctly, one of them had their school chosen for them because it was their parent’s alma mater, and another because it was their parents’ alma mater.
Many of them claimed it was because they had evaluated schools by a rigorous process they weren’t interested in disclosing which indicated our school was the best at actually teaching their major, regardless of what average starting salaries might claim. Some of them were actually supported in saying that our school was the best for their field, even if somewhere like Harvard would like people to believe otherwise.
BBCC
There are lots of reasons besides money why someone might go to a state school instead. Maybe Carla’s a legacy or her parents donate a lot to this school so they wanted her to go there? Maybe it had better policies on things like dorm rooms for her? Maybe she wanted to be close to home in case of an emergency? Who knows?
Thag Simmons
Yeah. We know Harrison cut his teeth taking down a major piece of anti-trans legislation, he knows Carla on a first name basis, his firm has a lot of her parent’s money and Carla assumes everyone already knows that she is trans.
Which taken together implies a highly publicized court case around Carla’s transition.
DailyBrad
Yeah, which might also be why she has her own room as much as being trans, if she’s a character of notoriety.
Mark
Don’t I recall a one-panel flashback to a Time cover story about her case, a couple of hundred strips ago?
thejeff
Newsweek actually, but yes. It’s been mentioned a few times.
Aimless Ranting
Yeah, main one I remember is during the fire alarm/kidnapping ploy. Someone said something about everyone being out, and she made a comment that she’s “been out since that cover of Newsweek.”
Thag Simmons
Yep
Doopyboop
Most likely due to her parents being quite rich and renowned, especially if her parents were… gasp, putting their funding into LGBT+ friendly bills and trying to fight for their daughter! Stop the presses!! We can’t have that in our CCCCHRISTIAN AMERICA.
CrazyJ
It was apparently a landmark court case for Trans-rights in the Dumbingverse, and Jacob’s brother was a lawyer for Carla’s side.
Regalli
As people brought up yesterday, she was on the cover of Newsweek when she came out. It’s almost certainly on Carla’s parents’ “personal life” section of Wikipedia, assuming Carla doesn’t have a page for herself. (Probably not, but hard to say.)
Now, it’s POSSIBLE this was like, seven or eight years ago and no one in the dorm knows except the ones who’ve indicated they DEFINITELY do (Dorothy, Sal, Mary, Ruth), but given things like Carla saying drawing a dick on her whiteboard was a hate crime before realizing everyone else had them (and it was therefore hilarious,) she definitely ACTS like her default assumption is “people know/probably know.”
Rabid Rabbit
Do you really think Carla hasn’t set herself up a thoroughly credible alternate personality just so she could create a Wikipedia page about herself without being caught?
Quirdry Tawks
“This entry reads like an advertisement…“
Stanistani
Ah, someone knows the COI stuff at W*ikipedia. It’s possible you’ve even trawled the W*ikipediocracy forums.
Quirdry Tawks
Only enough to ensure I’m still Certified Non-notable.
whew. Dodged a bullet there.
Regalli
I mean, yeah, that is definitely a distinct possibility. It’s also possible she had one without having to intervene just from the Newsweek/court case/kid of tech billionaires stuff combined. (At the very least, I’d be certain the court case has a page in its own right.)
It’s also possible Carla’s waiting until she’s patented her first major innovation in pie-throwing technology to start working on that. You know, so she can say she’s thoroughly earned it.
thejeff
When she runs into Harrison in the elevator, he says something like “didn’t you use to be just this tall”, which suggests it was quite awhile back.
I’d say her assumption is probably more “people could know” and when there’s something like the whiteboard dingdong it’s an obvious assumption that whoever drew it knew.
She also almost never brings it up on her own. For all the “pay attention to me” shtick, being trans isn’t something she uses that way. Anyone might know, but she’s just as happy if they don’t.
milu
she was also pretty vocal about it in that first gender studies class as i recall.
thejeff
She said she’s already mastered gender, which is a strong hint, but never actually comes out and says she’s trans.
Since the topic at hand was gender more generally, that could easily be taken like Roz early in the first semester class.
milu
ah right, i only remembered the subtext, not the text =)
BBCC
The “this tall” was like a head shorter than she currently is. That indicates that at most it was before her last growth spurt. She’s 19 so that was like….what four or five years ago? That’s hardly ‘quite a while back’ or so far back the others wouldn’t remember seeing it everywhere for a while.
Honestly, I’m kinda surprised Joyce doesn’t know. It seems like the kind of thing her parents would want to protest.
David DeLaney
It’s already been brought up that it seems fairly clear one large reason for her “Annoy All Indiscriminately / Pay Attention To MEEEE” schtick, at least in this setting where she’s never been Ultracar at all, is to focus folks’ attention ON something other than her being trans. most folks only have so much attention to spare, after all.
–Dave, it’s related to Dina giving Ethan her hat at the LGBTQIA+ meeting, so people had something else to focus on about him, which calmed his neuroses.
TerribleTransit
Carla 100% has her own page. Relatives of famous people would be likely enough to have at least a stub even if they’re otherwise not notable. The presumed subject of a prominent legal battle would certainly have one. And I’m pretty sure someone would warrant a blurb just for appearing on Newsweek even if they’d never done anything else of note. There’s absolutely no way Carla doesn’t have a page.
Freemage
Honestly, is it ‘outing’ someone if they’ve been on the cover of Newsweek? There comes a point when the person is out, and that’s got to be the situation here. Joyce could easily find out Carla’s identity just from that tidbit alone, really, so Dorothy is not really accomplishing much here by refusing to tell the one girl on the wing who doesn’t know about Carla.
morleuca
If someone isn’t aware, then yes, telling them would be outing the individual in question.
lyzyrdwyzyrd
I think there’s a fuzzy point where it becomes acceptable .
Like, for instance Stephen Fry, Elton John, Chaz Bono.
But even people who have that sort of stuff in their profile on social media, or have pride flags or stickers, atleast to me. I’m bi, I have a little sticker on my name badge at work.
If the person in question is ‘out’ then imo they’re ‘out’ and you can’t ‘out’ someone who isp ublicly ‘out’. Like, at a certain point pretending that someone isn’t queer and out is erasure.
Dorothy isn’t saying ‘I won’t out her to you’ she’s saying ‘I won’t out her to you if you’re going to be weird about it’. Dorothy is just being polite so Joyce doesn’t pester Carla.
Some Ed
“There’s always at least one.¨
This implies that, if Dorothy *did* tell Joyce, either it would slide off of Joyce’s brain like water off a teflon-coated windshield, or there’s someone else on the floor who doesn’t know. By not pushing, Dorothy’s leaving room for the more comfortable third option that Joyce just wasn’t paying attention.
Regret
Yes. This isn’t hard. A secret is a thing someone doesn’t know yet. Someone doesn’t know yet, therefore it is a secret.
Chubsius
Sadly, Musk’s trans daughter is news, so why not fictional tech billionaires?
brute
secret weenus: band name i called it
bibulb
“Does She Have a Secret Weenus: A Dumbing of Age Collection”
Bogeywoman
Now I want to write the song, secret weenus. Has to be folk punk.
“DOES SHE HAVE A SECRET WEENUS/it’s no secret she has two/she shakes em both all over town/when she dances the boogaloo” (weenus is the skin on people’s elbows)
Pergola
wanna keep your weenus secret/gonna be hard to bend your arm
David DeLaney
a relevant song by Uncle Bonsai, to play on the hacked elevator music outside of normal business hours
–Dave, because the lyrics are NSFW, and in fact were partly the subject of a Supreme Court case
Dday
They later changed their name to Weezer
Mr. Random
I think Carla might know.
Her parents have a big fortune, so she can probably get a private investigator
Sincerely didn’t even think of that entendre until JUST now.
Ty34er
I was about to ask why Carla would be national news, but then I remembered one of Brad Pitt’s kids was in the news for that so fair enough I guess
Thag Simmons
We also know that she’s on a first name basis with a lawyer who made his name striking down a major piece of anti-trans legislation and who her parents employed.
Regalli
Yeah, between “kid of high-profile tech magnates” (consider Elon Musk’s son’s name making the news, or his daughter’s name change to tell him to go fuck himself while also updating her name because she’s trans, or yeah, John Jolie-Pitt,) and the clear implications the Ruttens were involved with Harrison’s big case involving trans rights, it makes a lot of sense.
Doopyboop
Also, good call Dorothy I respect it.
Coatl
Seriously Brown?
Thag Simmons
Are you surprised? I know she’s come a long way but I never thought the ‘Joyce learns about trans people’ character development would happen offscreen.
Coatl
I meant that she suspects Dorothy
Coatl
but yes, I know the characters have a lot to learn, but some…well, they are a challenge.
DailyBrad
I actually sort of find it *less* offensive that she entertained the possibility, versus a “we can always tell” overconfidence in “clocking” that transphobes often have.
Joyce seems to be out of her depth rather than paranoid or hateful.
Xaeon
Is it suspicion or hopefulness?
Ray
Agree on this.
Ray
I was trying to reply to Thag but life happens.