Isn’t this situation, and everything that follows, a subset of the consequences for said “crime”?
Heatth
You mean Joyce’s and Dorothy’s? No, not at all. First, we don’t know if Amazi-Girl went to the protest because of them. In fact, we hae indication of the opposite, they hadn’t told anybody they went there and they didn’t take their cellphones so AG couldn’t have track them. So Amazi-Girl got involved in her own accord. It was a fortunate coincidence that she got there in time to save Joyce, but she would have been there kicking riot cops regardless. Furthermore, even after getting Joye and Dorothy to safety, AG stayed behind to help more people, and it is only after that she got hurt.
Amazi-Girls actions last chapter had very little to do with Joye and Dorothy and would likely have happened regardless.
Reltzik
I was thinking that she went to extra risk and stayed longer than needed because they were too busy with love dramas to evacuate promptly. I’d forgotten she’d stayed to help more protestors. So yeah, you’re right.
But it’s still their fault because the encounter with Incelerator is what got AG back into vigilantism, and that in turn caused by a chain of consequences for his bad character and life decisions, which ultimately started snowballing with Ryan’s own consequences, which started with Joyce glassing his face, and also because I’m in an absurdist mood and that logic is just coherent enough to follow while still being over 95% incoherent.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Blaming others for the malicious behaviour of villains is the height of naiveté. If bad people don’t do bad things to one person, they’ll just find another target. It is not the fault of their victims that people behave badly. At a stretch one can maybe state that a victim’s behaviour makes them a more desirable target, but it does not compel anyone to do evil.
See also: Blaming rape survivors based on their attire.
Lumino
Please read the last sentence of the person you replied to. They acknowledged the absurdity.
BorkBorkBork
While I understand and empathize with you here, and agree *in general*, let’s not forget the simple fact that Amber is now guilty of multiple level 5 felonies, by the laws of the state of Indiana, simply for the act of assaulting multiple officers while on the line of duty.
And I don’t think that a jury is going to feel like the police was in the wrong, for two reasons. First, because everything they were armed with (to the best of our knowledge) was non-lethal weaponry. We know just how harmful “non-lethal” really is, but a jury is made up of the average person.
Secondly… Amazi-girl’s presence and assault on the police, while it was done to defend others and get them to safety, has unfortunately justified the police’s position of being that armed. Why, apparently masked assailants were attacking officers and incapacitating them as they worked to get everyone to leave in a quiet, orderly fashion. Of course the riot gear and tear gas was necessary!
-_-
That’s the advantage of a peaceful protest. When they beat you silly, gas you, and drag you to jail, they look like the monsters because you were doing nothing wrong. Unless Amazi-Girl was there to, I dunno, make sure someone about to go in a diabetic coma or something got out in time to get her insulin, her presence made things worse.
Ironically, when the real-life police chief was interviewed on why he had a sniper in Dunn Meadow, he said it was because it was his job to prepare for every eventuality and there were rumors of armed attacks, both towards and from the protesters. They went overboard because they expected resistance – resistance that only AmaziGirl was really giving them.
I don’t like it either, but that’s the world we live in. The world we live in has no room for Batgirl suddenly appearing and attacking the assailants and rescuing her friends because our world sees her as a violent repeat offender with a history of mental illness who attacked on-duty police officers as they worked to peacefully remove tresspassers who were protesting in a method that was against campus policy. And if you gagged just a little in reading that, know that I cringed the entire time while writing it.
Like it or not, Amber is, right now, is far more of a criminal than probably any of them there, including Asher. She has, almost certainly, made national news.
thejeff
Yup. There is no way the protest organizers would have wanted that. There’s a time and a place for black bloc work, but this wasn’t it.
According to one of the patreon strips, Asma agrees.
He also helped her dad kidnap all their friends and ultimately shares some responsibility in Mike’s death, though nobody knows that but him at present.
Needfuldoer
Her dad blackmailed him into indirectly helping with the kidnapping.
Staszu13
Wondering if Blaine knew about Asher liking guys, and perhaps threatening to reveal the same to Mafioso Asher’s Grandpa?
Ike
That’s what I’ve assumed since Asher’s attraction to guys was revealed.
I legit hope that Asher is genuinely doing his best to get out of the “family business” as much as he can, just because I’d find that much more interesting than the people assuming he’s still in the bad.
I don’t think he’s still in the bad, I think he’s gonna end up abandoning his heel face turn for some reason and this will be related. I fully believe Asher is doing his hardest to get out, but like… it’s not so simple in the end.
Zaxares
I personally feel like Asher does genuinely want to leave his old life behind, but at the same time, he’s not willing or confident enough to sever all ties once and for all. (And in fairness, his crime family may not LET him, and the best he can do is basically just lay low and do his best not to draw attention and pray that the family doesn’t call upon him.)
But leaving that aside, I kinda suspected that this was a mob doctor last night, but I didn’t have the time to write a post calling it. XD
Look. All I’m saying is lately Asher has been very invested in AG’s activities and finding out who she is and I don’t think that’s to give her a high five. Does it matter if he feels really bad and doesn’t want to act like a gangster if he still does it anyway?
Bittersweet
From a storytelling perspective, yes, it’s a huge bit of difference between a dude that’s happily doing mob stuff and reporting back with hopes of becoming the Don (or whatever the leader is called) someday and someone who wants to escape their family’s bad activities but is keeping his eyes open either out of instinct or chances to earn more playing cards [either out of survival instinct or what have you]. Those are two entirely different characters lol
One day I will either be vindicated or incredibly embarrassed. Willis has an opportunity to do something incredibly funny either way.
Nymph
Even if you’re not vindicated, I hope you aren’t embarrassed. Nothing wrong with not trusting a character who has been set up to be untrustworthy in several ways.
He does, but not only do I think neither Sal nor Amber/AG know that the background indicates that they’re still in Kitchen Doctor’s operating room kitchen. Kitchen Doctor almost certainly doesn’t know who she is.
Asher looks so sweet, I can’t believe this is gonna be connected to you embracing your villain arc /hj. Fr though, he’s like my favorite dude in the cast by far because of that stuff. So much story potential, I love him.
He played a part in the kidnapping, and that was a big step on the road to Dorothy’s mindset putting her square and center in the middle of the protest. So yes, he is.
… that of course means that Sal, Amber/AG, Dorothy, Joyce, and everyone else had no agency at all in this.
You know, I thought the constant glances between Asher and Amazi-girl were gonna lead up to something, didn’t realize it’d be this. And honestly, I imagine this is Asher’s attempt to atone for the kidnapping fiasco.
Ya know, this is making it difficult to continue with the whole Sal-is-A-G thing.
(i mean, they could be talking to themselves right now in some sort of halucidnation or whatev)
((which explains why asher looks so concerned))
Tequila Mockingbird
Okay, it’s still early in my timezone, and I legit read that originally as “the whole Sal is Attorney General thing.” Now there’s a different story entirely.
Sajuuk-Khar
SAL FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL
SLOGAN: “Ah’ll Hit Pam Bondi With a Truck for Integrity, No Regrets”
Steamweed
I’m in. There a kickstarter for her campaign fund?
Discussion (234) - “Wakeup”
NGPZ
oh no she asked for a solid from ASHER
*looks at current storyline title*
0-0 >~<
T-T “I just know something BAD is gonna happen”
Heatth
Yeah, the story-line title got a lot more ominous one Amazi-Girl, Sal and Asher entered the picture.
Like, I was expecting it to refer to Joyce and Dorothy, where the consequences for the ‘crime’ is much lower stakes.
Reltzik
Isn’t this situation, and everything that follows, a subset of the consequences for said “crime”?
Heatth
You mean Joyce’s and Dorothy’s? No, not at all. First, we don’t know if Amazi-Girl went to the protest because of them. In fact, we hae indication of the opposite, they hadn’t told anybody they went there and they didn’t take their cellphones so AG couldn’t have track them. So Amazi-Girl got involved in her own accord. It was a fortunate coincidence that she got there in time to save Joyce, but she would have been there kicking riot cops regardless. Furthermore, even after getting Joye and Dorothy to safety, AG stayed behind to help more people, and it is only after that she got hurt.
Amazi-Girls actions last chapter had very little to do with Joye and Dorothy and would likely have happened regardless.
Reltzik
I was thinking that she went to extra risk and stayed longer than needed because they were too busy with love dramas to evacuate promptly. I’d forgotten she’d stayed to help more protestors. So yeah, you’re right.
But it’s still their fault because the encounter with Incelerator is what got AG back into vigilantism, and that in turn caused by a chain of consequences for his bad character and life decisions, which ultimately started snowballing with Ryan’s own consequences, which started with Joyce glassing his face, and also because I’m in an absurdist mood and that logic is just coherent enough to follow while still being over 95% incoherent.
Decidedly Orthogonal
Blaming others for the malicious behaviour of villains is the height of naiveté. If bad people don’t do bad things to one person, they’ll just find another target. It is not the fault of their victims that people behave badly. At a stretch one can maybe state that a victim’s behaviour makes them a more desirable target, but it does not compel anyone to do evil.
See also: Blaming rape survivors based on their attire.
Lumino
Please read the last sentence of the person you replied to. They acknowledged the absurdity.
BorkBorkBork
While I understand and empathize with you here, and agree *in general*, let’s not forget the simple fact that Amber is now guilty of multiple level 5 felonies, by the laws of the state of Indiana, simply for the act of assaulting multiple officers while on the line of duty.
And I don’t think that a jury is going to feel like the police was in the wrong, for two reasons. First, because everything they were armed with (to the best of our knowledge) was non-lethal weaponry. We know just how harmful “non-lethal” really is, but a jury is made up of the average person.
Secondly… Amazi-girl’s presence and assault on the police, while it was done to defend others and get them to safety, has unfortunately justified the police’s position of being that armed. Why, apparently masked assailants were attacking officers and incapacitating them as they worked to get everyone to leave in a quiet, orderly fashion. Of course the riot gear and tear gas was necessary!
-_-
That’s the advantage of a peaceful protest. When they beat you silly, gas you, and drag you to jail, they look like the monsters because you were doing nothing wrong. Unless Amazi-Girl was there to, I dunno, make sure someone about to go in a diabetic coma or something got out in time to get her insulin, her presence made things worse.
Ironically, when the real-life police chief was interviewed on why he had a sniper in Dunn Meadow, he said it was because it was his job to prepare for every eventuality and there were rumors of armed attacks, both towards and from the protesters. They went overboard because they expected resistance – resistance that only AmaziGirl was really giving them.
I don’t like it either, but that’s the world we live in. The world we live in has no room for Batgirl suddenly appearing and attacking the assailants and rescuing her friends because our world sees her as a violent repeat offender with a history of mental illness who attacked on-duty police officers as they worked to peacefully remove tresspassers who were protesting in a method that was against campus policy. And if you gagged just a little in reading that, know that I cringed the entire time while writing it.
Like it or not, Amber is, right now, is far more of a criminal than probably any of them there, including Asher. She has, almost certainly, made national news.
thejeff
Yup. There is no way the protest organizers would have wanted that. There’s a time and a place for black bloc work, but this wasn’t it.
According to one of the patreon strips, Asma agrees.
Searcher
First you say Amazi-girl is there, then you complain Dorothy isn’t involved???
RassilonTDavros
I mean Asher still kinda owed her one for the convenience store thing, didn’t he? Am I forgetting something?
Heavensrun
He also helped her dad kidnap all their friends and ultimately shares some responsibility in Mike’s death, though nobody knows that but him at present.
Needfuldoer
Her dad blackmailed him into indirectly helping with the kidnapping.
Staszu13
Wondering if Blaine knew about Asher liking guys, and perhaps threatening to reveal the same to Mafioso Asher’s Grandpa?
Ike
That’s what I’ve assumed since Asher’s attraction to guys was revealed.
NGPZ
OMG, I just realized,
“be gay, do crimes” very well also applies to Asher, don’t it?
Sirksome
Yeah, I still don’t trust him.
Pocky
Asher is super sus.
Wraithy2773
I legit hope that Asher is genuinely doing his best to get out of the “family business” as much as he can, just because I’d find that much more interesting than the people assuming he’s still in the bad.
Bittersweet
I don’t think he’s still in the bad, I think he’s gonna end up abandoning his heel face turn for some reason and this will be related. I fully believe Asher is doing his hardest to get out, but like… it’s not so simple in the end.
Zaxares
I personally feel like Asher does genuinely want to leave his old life behind, but at the same time, he’s not willing or confident enough to sever all ties once and for all. (And in fairness, his crime family may not LET him, and the best he can do is basically just lay low and do his best not to draw attention and pray that the family doesn’t call upon him.)
But leaving that aside, I kinda suspected that this was a mob doctor last night, but I didn’t have the time to write a post calling it. XD
Needfuldoer
See also: The Godfather.
Sirksome
Look. All I’m saying is lately Asher has been very invested in AG’s activities and finding out who she is and I don’t think that’s to give her a high five. Does it matter if he feels really bad and doesn’t want to act like a gangster if he still does it anyway?
Bittersweet
From a storytelling perspective, yes, it’s a huge bit of difference between a dude that’s happily doing mob stuff and reporting back with hopes of becoming the Don (or whatever the leader is called) someday and someone who wants to escape their family’s bad activities but is keeping his eyes open either out of instinct or chances to earn more playing cards [either out of survival instinct or what have you]. Those are two entirely different characters lol
Proxiehunter
Actualy this strip somewhat recontectualizes that. https://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-9-comic/04-vote-for-robin/money-2/
Grayfinity
You know, when I saw Asher appear in today’s strip, I was like, “Sirksome’s gonna say something about not trusting him. Lo and behold.
Sirksome
One day I will either be vindicated or incredibly embarrassed. Willis has an opportunity to do something incredibly funny either way.
Nymph
Even if you’re not vindicated, I hope you aren’t embarrassed. Nothing wrong with not trusting a character who has been set up to be untrustworthy in several ways.
shadowcell
amber are you okay
are you okay amber
Rose by Any other Name
Given that she asked Sal to tell her, I’m guessing Amber doesn’t really know at the moment.
IntangibleMatter
So she came to in a bad way
it was Sunday, what a black day
IntangibleMatter
oops meant to reply to the other reply
Armadillo
No, she’s been hit by, she’s been hit by, police brutality.
OW!
Embe13
+1
Steamweed
*A-G moonwalks out of the room
*Asher, Kitchen Doc, and Sal just stare
Amber
Well kind of a rough night at work but I guess I’m ok
Dot
Gonn be a great topic for pillow talk with Ethan
Rebecca
Oh, this is gonna be GOOD.
jpnr
Asher hahaah oh wow
anyway Asher knows Amber is Amazi Girl, you are not really fooling anyone
Proxiehunter
He does, but not only do I think neither Sal nor Amber/AG know that the background indicates that they’re still in Kitchen Doctor’s
operating roomkitchen. Kitchen Doctor almost certainly doesn’t know who she is.Bittersweet
Kitchen doctor is in the corner desperately trying to figure out how his life suddenly involved a real life superhero lol
Embe13
“Thats me in the corner, figuring out where this superhero came from”
yak
“I knew patching up gangsters would lead me to no good”
Dara
Yeah that was what I was expecting, unfortunately.
Amazi-Girl the anti-hero arc?
Bittersweet
Asher looks so sweet, I can’t believe this is gonna be connected to you embracing your villain arc /hj. Fr though, he’s like my favorite dude in the cast by far because of that stuff. So much story potential, I love him.
Sirksome
Asher’s your fav? Hmmmmm…very suspicious. ?
Animedingo
What a twast
JepMZ
Asher isn’t responsible for this in the first place??
Reltzik
He played a part in the kidnapping, and that was a big step on the road to Dorothy’s mindset putting her square and center in the middle of the protest. So yes, he is.
… that of course means that Sal, Amber/AG, Dorothy, Joyce, and everyone else had no agency at all in this.
Meagan
See I thought it was because he was the one who got Sal involved in holding up gas stations which led to Amber’s issues becoming as bad as they are.
Reltzik
That’s the more sensible way to blame Asher and therefore less funny.
Nadamás
Bo unless i missed Asher joining the riot police.
Needfuldoer
Blaine blackmailed him into pulling the fire alarm.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/want/
Doopyboop
You know, I thought the constant glances between Asher and Amazi-girl were gonna lead up to something, didn’t realize it’d be this. And honestly, I imagine this is Asher’s attempt to atone for the kidnapping fiasco.
Justnobodyfqwl
Ok, so I could emotionally handle Dorothy cuckolding Joe. But Amazi-Girl cuckolding Danny…..
Ok no it would be too funny. Amazi-Sal new insane otp.
Armadillo
Is it really new? I feel like people have probably been shipping those two for literal years now.
Steamweed
Ya know, this is making it difficult to continue with the whole Sal-is-A-G thing.
(i mean, they could be talking to themselves right now in some sort of halucidnation or whatev)
((which explains why asher looks so concerned))
Tequila Mockingbird
Okay, it’s still early in my timezone, and I legit read that originally as “the whole Sal is Attorney General thing.” Now there’s a different story entirely.
Sajuuk-Khar
SAL FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL
SLOGAN: “Ah’ll Hit Pam Bondi With a Truck for Integrity, No Regrets”
Steamweed
I’m in. There a kickstarter for her campaign fund?
Tequila Mockingbird
Bless this post.
Tequila Mockingbird
You’re not dreaming big enough… Amber/Sal/Danny throuple.
Meagan
Poor Sal. She is being forced into a situation where her kindness outshines her badass veneer.
june gloom
“Got caught giving a fuck. Embarrassing.”
Steamweed
Second time she’s done the combat-medical-extraction thing for A-G. Got a pattern here.
Vaishino
Who had their money on Mafia Doctor? You called it.
Thag Simmons
I feel like most people didp
Steamweed
We were many. 😀
Annaphylaxis
From the tags, it looks like this is Amber putting on the Amazi-Girl voice, but still in charge of the body.
audkitten
I think you’re right. There are blush marks under the mask which indicates Amber.