I’m pretty sure that this comic serves the purpose of showing Walky realizing that Sal was right earlier. You know, when Sal was saying that their parents preferred him better because he’s whiter.
I am seriously waiting for that to come back and bite him in the ass. I have known so many kids in college that have gone through high school getting grades easily only to be stunned to find college is hard.
I know he’s not gonna flunk out because that would end all the plots he’s involved in but there’s gotta be a point where Walky’s gotta break down and study. Or mentally break down when his parents see his GPA.
Kisai
Nah,
The problem is that school went from being a place of education to being daycare/prison for parental neglected children, probably around the 1980’s when teachers were no longer allowed to treat children like their own (for good or bad.)
Look at all the stories about kids cyberbullying or driving other kids to suicide today. Would this be happening if kids had some parental oversight? There are “adult children” out there who have no desire to take on any responsibility for their own actions.
College or University isn’t free in most of the world, and even idiots realize that spending money on education that doesn’t benefit them is a waste of money. Unfortunately it’s not in the college’s best financial interests to tell students to drop out because there is no job market for the classes they are teaching.
malisteen
Our school system was always a rigid thing poorly suited to teaching kids how to think and mostly about making them memorize things we wanted them to know. The world changed and that system was left behind.
It isn’t that teachers can’t beat kids. Even the system we had would work better, except that we don’t fund it. We don’t hire enough teachers, and don’t pay the ones we have anything like enough, and the system for funding schools leaves the schools most in need of more and better teachers with the least funding to hire them.
We used to fund education more. Going to state college used to be heavily state subsidied. Students could work for a summer and actually pay for the entire coming year of school. Not now – minimum wage has fallen considerably next to inflation, and our state and federal governmets have largely abandoned direct aid in favor of loans so that big bankers can have a chance to make a buck on the backs of struggling children.
That reduction in funding and reduced value placed on universal public education followed pretty quick on the courts deciding universal meant black kids, too. Funny, that.
“Teachers can’t beat kids anymore” is a cheap and petty and frankly wrong answer to a problem that’s a lot bigger and uglier than that.
BTF
Sorry but did I miss something…? When did she say anything about allowing school beatings? I read “teachers were no longer allowed to treat children like their own.” To me that didn’t mean beatings – it meant teachers that could use their own insight and knowledge to decide how they were going to teach their students. Now with more unified curriculum, teachers don’t really have personal input in their own classes anymore. They don’t organize curriculum, choose or provide the worksheets, decide what projects or selected readings their classes will be doing. Instead, it’s all pre-organized and handed to them, rendering many of them as nothing more than glorified babysitters. In my opinion at least, this tactic is harmful as it not only lowers the teacher’s personal inspiration and motivation to… well, teach, but kids don’t get a personal experience. I noticed going to school in the 1990s that the teachers who had more original classes and ideas to teach and who helped students on a more individual level were of the older generation, who learned their trade when that was more of a thing. It’s sad to see the relationship between teachers and students getting neutered from the education system for the sake of efficiency, all while grades are going down.
That was longer than I originally intended. Ah, whoops! XD
Shadow12000
Don’t forget that nowadays there’s more colleges that only care to make money than actually educate. The actual, legitimate colleges you always know about or can find good information on easily, while the others you only really hear about if you live nearby or from advertisements on TV. A good college never needs an advertisement, it has a reputation, it has good teachers, good classes, etc.
I tried taking some classes at a community college some years back, they forced me to take basic level computer classes (the ones where you learn how to use freaking MS Word and Excel) despite having taken an Oracle programming class in High School. They also refused to let me talk to the counselors, only new students could, everyone else that wanted help with their schedules had to sit in a room with other students trying to figure it out themselves and hope someone was helpful. The final straw that broke the camel’s back was that 9 out of 10 of the teachers I had were very obviously not teachers. Professionals in their field, maybe, but not teachers. One was even questionable for that though in the fact that when someone asked him something, he just got confused and tried to refer to the book. I realize that it being a community college doesn’t mean I’ll get the best teachers, but I didn’t expect half of them to be the stereotypical computer phone support guy, thick Indian accent included.
(No offense to anyone Indian who are good teachers or support, of course. From me anyway, can’t say if the school was being racist with hiring cheaply though.)
Jerden
I always figured that the school system existed to crush the souls of children, gradually preparing them for the tedious and ultimately futile struggle of adult life.
So, I thought it was doing pretty well.
Shadow12000
The official term for why schools are like that now is “No Child Left Behind.”
Willis said on Tumblr that Walky’s taking easy classes.
If you’re taking easy classes or classes in a subject that comes naturally to you, it can be very easy to breeze through college, for better or worse.
gangler
Makes sense. Can also depend on what your goals are. If you just want to pass, get a diploma, that’s a very different game from say anything that would require you worry about your grade-point average.
Dorothy for example wants to transfer into another school, so even an “easy” course has to be taken seriously because any minor screw-up can have major repercussions. Takes ten minutes to learn to bake a cake, takes a lot longer to learn to consistently bake a flawless cake.
I would wager if he bombs or near-bombs out of his classes (or even just one), the admonishment he’d get from mom and dad would be a huge shock to his system if they did react that way. Suddenly life wouldn’t be easy-street and he’d have to spend a semester proving himself worthy of staying in college, all the while they berate, nag, and harp on him to make sure he’s actually doing his work.
Would be an even bigger shock if Sal ended up doing BETTER than him overall because she, through her own methods, went and got help to learn the material. So far we only know that she has a math class that she’s struggling in, but she could have other subjects too. If she’s not having any big problem with those though, it could very well happen that she ends up getting As or Bs in all of those and either eeking out a C in her math or (since it is still pretty early on and she has lots of time to catch up and improve) getting a B or an A in it.
Suddenly then… mom and dad would be extremely disappointed in their golden boy and scrambling to dote on and encourage their underdog child to make up for all those years of subtly or not-so-subtly putting her second or flat out ignoring she’s even there. The “good kid” fucks up? Tear him down… The “bad kid” succeeds? QUICKLY! Spoil and gush all over her accomplishments! You knew she had it in her all along and all that tough love finally fixed her! Now they can pretend they totally don’t suck as people and parents!
Not saying that will happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised… and I kind of hope it does. I hope the Walkerton parents do pull that crap and end up getting bongoed out and flat out rejected by BOTH of their kids so they have to perform some introspection and realize how shitty they were to Sal intentionally, while their attempts to coddle Walky set him up for failure when the system wasn’t catering to his habit of coasting along and putting forth no effort to win anything.
Chris
If Walky did get lower grades than Sal: Depending on the mindset of the parents, their opinion of Sal may not change one bit unless she does something to shock them out of their underachiever / mediocre view of her (3 As and 1 B may not quite be the “slap in the face” they need).
Judging from previous strips, I wouldn’t be surprised if the parents only focus on Walky and tell him he should be getting better grades than Sal, and never even consider commending Sal for her good grades (of AABB or whatever).
GhostWriter
It could go either way… I also wouldn’t be surprised if that happened either where she DOES do better than him but then he just starts getting harped on for slacking off that “even SHE is ahead of you now! How far you have fallen! SHAME SHAME AND MISERY SHAAAAAME”. Kind of hoping that happens to so that they can get pointed out for how shitty of people they are for passive aggressively pitting sibling against sibling.
I don’t have a twin, but a similar thing did happen to me with one of my siblings… He was having trouble in school, I wasn’t, and right before I left for school I overhead my dad seething at my brother “You see HER? SHE works hard and gets good grades! YOU have no excuse!”, meanwhile my brother was already destroyed and just trying to keep from breaking completely. I marched back in and yelled at my father that I was not ok with being put on a pedestal for the sole purpose of tearing my brother down. Probably one of the only times back then that I stood up to my father and succeeded in knocking him down a peg and maybe making him think of how horrible he was being to his own kids.
EEWWW
I wouldn’t be surprised if Walky’s parents didn’t care how he does in college one way or the other. I’ve met families where the son(s) is incapable of failure so long as he spawns a child that winds up with the family name. Can’t support the whelp, no problem, so long as the name lives on!!
LittleMountain
I have a BA on my wall right now…
Didn’t study for shit.
College ain’t that hard.
LJoL
I honestly wonder sometimes why people have such an issue with college. 99% of my classes I never studied for and still got A’s. And don’t tell me it was all just easy classes. I heard people making the ‘hard classes’ excuse for classes like anatomy and biological chemistry but I never had to study for them either.
The only two classes I had issues with was my language courses (because just because my brain instantly connects one word to another that doesn’t make proper understandable sentences – use an auto web translator for proof) and then later on Cognitive Science (aka Cognitive Psychology aka “what chemicals are in the brain, and what parts of the brain do what, and how strongly do the impulses register”) which only was an issue because for that class I had to know what the levels and thresholds were – and it is ridiculously hard to correctly match seemingly random sequences of numbers to events.
Ended up with B- in both of those classes which prevented me from having a 4.0 without studying ah well. Still was given the honors ceremony for being the next best thing and graduated among the top 7 GPA’s of my graduating class.
So everyone who is gleefully waiting for Walky to crash and burn may just end up disappointed.
-Sentinel-
“So everyone who is gleefully waiting for Walky to crash and burn may just end up disappointed.”
Sooner or later, Walky will have to learn that he cannot go through life with only the barest minimum of effort. School may be easy for now, but then there’s work. So, for his sake, we SHOULD hope he gets a few bad grades that push him into getting his shit together. We are not “gleeful” about it, though.
timemonkey
Depending on what ‘work’ he ends up doing he still may not need to really try. And since his ‘work’ is going to be “eternally stuck in a temperal vortex where he’s in college forever, most likely freshmen year at that” I wouldn’t hold my breath about life catching up to him.
xKiv
When’s finals anyway? 2030?
Gold
Except Walky is a genius. That is unless Willis is trying to run us through a loop.
Schadetj
It already is. Notice that his last assignment he got back wasn’t a perfect score? And that he just realized he could skip classes and likely will in the future?
It’s gradual, but we’ll see a report card coming out soon with Cs and maybe even a D. Probably not so quick he’d get an F, but you never know.
Zpan
I dunno about this school but both my high school and college, if you were late more than 5 minutes, you were marked absent and if you missed a certain amount of days, it was taken out of your grade. You could get As across the board but you missed those days your grade went down a letter. You missed more days, you lost another letter.
I’m doubting this is the moment. If there was a moment, I’m pretty sure it’d have more impact than “Walky got chosen to dress up like a blue Pikachu”, which is pretty cool, but not that important.
hoovy_woopeans
seems pretty important to me. Walky seems to be realizing (or at least thinking) that his mom was playing favorites here. She wanted him to be in the role because, on an unconscious level, he was whiter.
Tommy Bologna
He’s also a boy. Weren’t all the Churchmouses boys? Actually, did she even check what this audition was about before draggin’ her kids there? Their mom just seems like one of those Beauty pageant ladies that will shove her kids into anything.
hoovy_woopeans
I don’t get what you’re saying
Tommy Bologna
That she didn’t pay attention to what the audition was for, she just brought both of her kids in the hopes of both or either of them getting some TV spotlight. Ya’ know, a neglectful parent trying to live out her failed youth through her kids.
Damned
I think you’re reading too much into this. There’s nothing that tells us how much info was available at the auditions or why their mom took them
Tommy Bologna
I just realized your avatar is lookin’ right down at mine.
hoovy_woopeans
that’s nothin, head to the cast section and you get a whole lot of eye interaction.
3oranges
I’m not sure this is even an audition specifically for that role. This isn’t about the show preferring one or the other as a churchmouse, or there would be no point to the scene, never mind what Willis has actually said about it.
Taken by itself this doesn’t show Sal is right about race anything, but what happens with Walky’s reaction to it means he was being favored. Remember Billie talked to him about that, and he hadn’t acknowledged that much.
(As to whether race was a reason, by the way, this one comic doesn’t say; but the only ones who were there were the Walkertons, and David didn’t even notice there was favoritism, so I don’t know how you would get a better explanation that Sal’s first-hand opinion. Not to mention that the author decides whether it was true and has said it is).
Bill
The dude with the clipboard says, “It’s just the one line”, and Walky had only the one line in the Hymmel video.
Although it strikes me as odd that they’d be auditioning someone for a speaking role so far into the series (this was episode eight, right?).  I would expect a production company to hire and work with the same group of adults and kids over the life of the show, sort of like how the original Mouseketeers stayed with the same 12 or 14 kids, rather than go through the efforts to train a fresh group of Churchmice for every episode.
Robin
But wasn’t it just the one episode? I thought this was the only live-action episode, and the others were animated.
begbert2
I seriously doubt the show was ever animated. The sort of exhibitionist fundamentalist preacher who would dress up like a giant book to preach at kids is the sort who would wanna be seen.
(Plus, the show this is a close parody of was live-action.)
3oranges
That’s a good point. I should try actually paying attention to these comics some time, they seem like they have some good detail. 😛
GhostWriter
If it’s anything like the low budget kids shows I saw as a kid, they’d cycle through different groups of children every episode or few episodes, because the appeal of being able to get your kid on a TV show would be targeted towards parents who would compromise anything just so their kid could get a slot on a TV show. You wouldn’t have to worry about paying them much, if at all, because the ‘privilege’ of getting in front of the camera would usually be enough.
Hell, even productions like Sesame Street, which wasn’t low budget… I don’t recall the kids who were on those episodes ever being consistent. The only constant ‘humans’ on the show were the adults, while the muppets were meant to be the main cast. The kids were just kind of there to relay the “Hey kids, this show is for YOU, because there’s kids like you here!” message to keep the audience engaged.
If gender was the issue, the guy would have said “We only have room for your son” instead of “We only have room for one.”
Shadow12000
She didn’t exactly say they were different genders, and unless the dude looked at the kids (whom are running around somewhere off panel), that wouldn’t be immediately obvious. A lot of twins are the same sex, and since Grace said all the church mice before were boys, she could indeed have just not payed attention to what the audition was for.
THAT BEING SAID, there was also a panel before that showed a little girl sitting on a pew, so she may have just been SOL. WE MAY NEVER KNOW!
(we’ll probably know by the end of the year maybe hopefully probably not)
insomniac
Is there anything that indicates that all the churchmice were boys? Because I don’t think there was, and this scene wouldn’t make sense if they were, so I’d assume girls can be churchmice.
Cliff
Personally, if there IS a moment, I feel like it hasn’t dropped yet, lol. Let’s wait and see before being so definitve
Cass
Ha, you know it honestly didn’t occur to me until I was reading the comments now that Linda would be picking? I thought Walky was looking back and realizing that the casting director came up with a lame-dog excuse to avoid even humoring the little girl with the trouble-making expression and natural hair, getting even flimsier when, on this occasion at least, Linda made an attempt to have her kids given the same treatment, and I assumed a second later he just grabbed Walky to audition without Linda having a say.
I thought it was Walky starting to grasp that sometimes people treated Sal differently while still not being at the point where he can acknowledge that their parents did it too.
But, duh, of course Linda would get a say in which kid they took back. Even if the casting director did choose Walky for himself she would still be making a choice not to insist that if its “Just one line” it would hardly keep them much longer to hear both of her kids say it than just one, or to just leave if they wouldn’t let both of her kids at least have a shot.
Viktoria
It’s not that this one incident is horrible or anything, Linda had to pick a kid. The problem is when it’s an example of a pattern, as Walky seems to realize here. He’s thinking back to all the other times in his life when Linda ‘had to pick a kid’ and she chose him.
Tommy Bologna
That’ll be cool, we get to see how those past instances where for some god forsaken reason Walky was the better choice. How much crack do ya’ think people were smokin’ in the 90’s?
C.W. Roden
Considering that crack came out around the late 80s and spread like wildfire in inner cities….I’d say a lot.
It doesn’t show the reason why, but it does show that she was Right. That, from an early age, there was preferential treatment. I suspect that overtime we’ll see Walky come to terms that the reason why, is exactly what Sal said.
I’m, thinking that this comic serves the purpose of LEADING INTO the comics that will show Sal was right, either by Mrs. Walkerton making the decision herself for those reasons, or the board making the choice, and mom accepting it, possibly with it coloring her future audition attempts (well, David’s more likely to get the role).
This comic in itself sets up a situation where we can see it coming, but does not itself show that Sal was right.
I wouldn’t say that Walky is better than Sal, or even more level-headed for that matter. Both of them have their good points.
Still, if there is any merit to what Sal thinks about this race crap (and I am still not sure it is) then the issue might be with their mother. Of course, if she were racially biased its unlikely she’d marry a person of color herself.
I know that our society treats mixed-ethnic children horribly in some ways, and such racial prejudice isn’t restricted to allegedly “privileged whites” either. Darker skinned people can look down on lighter-skinned children too and be every bit as ugly. There’s no monopoly there, believe me on this.
Perhaps there’s even some deeper psychological underpinnings here that our dear Willis is teasing us with….or it could all just be a total misunderstanding on Sal’s part much like how Amazi-Girl is completely spazing out over Sal?
One thing’s for certain, some serious shit is about to go down and tomorrow can’t get here fast enough.
Willis has stated, over and over, that Sal is correct in her belief that their parents favored Walky because his skin is lighter.
This has been confirmed by word of god. It’s a huge part of Sal’s character. It’s an over-arching plot point that has influenced the lives of several characters in the story, including both the twins, as well as Amber, in a significant way.
Seriously? Word of God is Sal is right and you’re still saying you don’t believe it? Seriously!? I’m as white as you can be *I* know enough to know there is merit in what Sal said. Also while this specific comic doesn’t scream “subtle racism” it does show blatant favouritism giving credence to the theory that SAL IS RIGHT.
begbert2
I dunno if it’s “blatant” favoritism, given that she *had* to pick only one of them. For all we know she used eeny-meeny-miney-moe.
Beth
I’m talking about not only picking Walky but of the implication behind the fact Sal’s name is in bold and not Walky’s. Plus the memory is about Walky realizing he was “picked” over Sal and that reenforces that Sal has a point
begbert2
I didn’t notice the bolding, and even with it pointed out I would be more inclined to assume that it’s just the result of increasing volume as she tries to get her kid’s attention. I mean, she was telling them both to settle down; if she intended to lay all the blame on Sal she wouldn’t have called to Walky at all.
And I wholly agree that this is coming up because it reinforces the idea that Walky is the favored child, and doubtlessly this is just one of a cavalcade of incidents where Walky is given a hand up and Sal is left in the dust. But taken just as an isolated incident, this particular example isn’t as horrible an example of favoritism as it might have been. Linda did bring both kids with the intent to get them on the show together, and it’s only when she’s forced to make a split-second choice between them does she kick Sal to the curb. It ain’t like she left Sal behind scrubbing out the fireplace.
(I’ll just concede in advance that tomorrow’s comic might show Linda looking at her kids and saying, “You know, Sally’s poofy hair is dumb-looking and probably won’t fit under the mouse hoodie anyway. Take my good kid instead,” in which case yeah there you go.)
riteilu
Presumably, this is Walky realizing that this is, maybe, an example of a trend, and not an isolated incident.
I think that’s the way it normally happens when we notice our privilege. It’s rarely something big and overwhelming. It’s just a lot of little things that start to add up.
Willis is actually doing this perfectly, by just starting with one little instance that makes Walky wonder if maybe Sal is right. And, frankly, he does a good job with story-telling and pacing. So it wouldn’t half surprise me if it comes out bit by bit and piece by piece.
You gotta be willing to accept that some types of discrimination exist beyond just the sum of what you see, and also that if you DON’T see discrimination or CAN’T imagine it being there, it doesn’t mean it isn’t there. It just means that you didn’t notice it or can’t imagine it. And there are a lot of things in your life that you don’t notice or can’t imagine. It’s hard to find anyone who can honestly imagine infinity. Does that mean it doesn’t exist? Hell no.
It is vitally, vitally important to realize the limits of your perception, that you are not an objective judge of what influences another person’s reality or even, necessarily, a better judge than them. Give Sal the benefit of the doubt here; she might be better at knowing where her life has been. If your only basis for assuming that she’s a poor judge of what lead to what is this one instance, then maybe you could stand to reassess your opinion.
begbert2
I don’t assume that Sal is wrong about being discriminated against. See above reply for more detail.
“Darker skinned people can look down on lighter-skinned children too and be every bit as ugly. There’s no monopoly there”
Look, let’s not pretend that this is the same as white or lighter skinned people looking down on black or darker skinned people. Sure, you could flip the family situation maybe – it would be weird and you would need some explanation but the parents could treat their more ethnic-looking child better for some reason. But that wouldn’t change the fact that the world at large would treat Walky, who is ambiguous enough to pass for a tan European, better than Sal, who has the wild curly hair and darker skin, based on race.
Real talk
We don’t have to pretend, because that is exactly how it is. Whites aren’t genetically or socially more racist than blacks, or hispanics, or asians, or mixeds. Ask any white guy living in the slums in any city in Latin America and you’ll know. Every race is racist. Human beings have a sadistic need to find excuses to put themselves above others. That’s exactly what you are doing when you argue over the internet that you are “less racist” than someone else.
fit-to-freak
You need to stop.
Vibbles
Ugh, okay, I should ignore this but I can’t.
Ignoring the whole racism-is-inherent thing for now- this really isn’t about any sort of dark sinister hidden desire of white people to discriminate against non-white people, or black people to discriminate against other black people, or any singular biases of any individual. I mean, it’s about Linda, yes, and how she sees her children, but she doesn’t look at them and say ‘You know, I’ve noticed that Walky is pretty white in comparison to Sal. I should bake him cupcakes. ‘ She hears both of their voices and thinks Sal is being so loud and obnoxious and Walky should quiet down, too. She helps them get ready for school and is so glad Walky got her hair because it’s so much easier to deal with for her and looks so cute. And when she needs to pick one of her kids to show up in a cameo role on a show, she does, and it doesn’t wind up being surprising who she chooses. And yes, I argue that you can read that in to what we’ve seen of their family dynamics. I could be wrong- I’ve interpreted Willis comics wrong before-but that’s what I see.
And that has nothing to do with slums in Latin America or racist black people who hate white people, and only a little bit to do with Linda herself and how she consciously sees race, because Linda’s preference for Walky is a symptom of an endemic cultural preference for white people and white things ingrained into the culture of the United States. And it’s not good enough to say ‘Well, white people aren’t the only racists! ‘ when we have and indirectly support an unbalanced system by not challenging it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see Linda saying that Sal is just too black- but we’ll see her having less tolerance when Sal acts up because she expects her black daughter to act the way society has told her black girls act and she feels like she needs to be ready to quiet her down and make her behave. Any she expects Walky to work harder and achieve more. She expects Walky to become a doctor in the next few years, and I don’t know if she even expects Sal to get a passing GPA.
It’s a socially ingrained attitude, and it doesn’t boil down to the individual. I’m a white girl from an overwhelming black suburb, and while I never noticed it in my childhood, yeah, I got my privilege even though I was technically a minority. It wasn’t that the white people around me just wanted white people to do well, because my teachers weren’t mostly white- it was that they had a social expectation to see the white girl studying and applying herself, and the black girl acting up, and you see what you expect to see. So when I was seperated out with the other ‘good’ students in elementary school and then when I went to a science-specialty high school and then when I went to college, the proportions of black people to white people leveled out, stopped being representative of the population. And it wasn’t because white people are just better at science, and it wasn’t that the admittance board was stocked with mustachioed Jim Crow activists. It was just that, in small and everyday interactions, people expected the white kid to study and ask questions and learn and they expect to have to tell the black kid to quiet down and behave and because of those expectations, that is what they see.
And if you don’t see that sort of ingrained unbalance in American society as a problem because hey, it’s not like there aren’t Asian racists, then I don’t even know what to say. If you don’t wanna see it in comics, don’t wanna think that someone could have biases that they don’t acknowledge that could damage how the people they are supposed to raise see themselves- well, okay, but maybe it’s worth examining.
Also I apologize for the rant and know I’m probably repeating things that have been said, but come on x_x
Jen Aside
tl;dr: “It’s no use arguing racism against X, because racism exists EVERYWHERE against EVERYONE”
Classic racist argument against doing anything to stop racism [especially the specific racism the racists are benefitting from].
I’m not even going to get into the rest of it, but this: “Of course, if she were racially biased its unlikely she’d marry a person of color herself.”
???Really??? How so? Are no sexists married to women either?
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indignostudios
Once again, Walky is just plain old better than Sal.
hoovy_woopeans
I’m pretty sure that this comic serves the purpose of showing Walky realizing that Sal was right earlier. You know, when Sal was saying that their parents preferred him better because he’s whiter.
Yotomoe
But at least he doesn’t have to STUDY!
Matt
I am seriously waiting for that to come back and bite him in the ass. I have known so many kids in college that have gone through high school getting grades easily only to be stunned to find college is hard.
I know he’s not gonna flunk out because that would end all the plots he’s involved in but there’s gotta be a point where Walky’s gotta break down and study. Or mentally break down when his parents see his GPA.
Kisai
Nah,
The problem is that school went from being a place of education to being daycare/prison for parental neglected children, probably around the 1980’s when teachers were no longer allowed to treat children like their own (for good or bad.)
Look at all the stories about kids cyberbullying or driving other kids to suicide today. Would this be happening if kids had some parental oversight? There are “adult children” out there who have no desire to take on any responsibility for their own actions.
College or University isn’t free in most of the world, and even idiots realize that spending money on education that doesn’t benefit them is a waste of money. Unfortunately it’s not in the college’s best financial interests to tell students to drop out because there is no job market for the classes they are teaching.
malisteen
Our school system was always a rigid thing poorly suited to teaching kids how to think and mostly about making them memorize things we wanted them to know. The world changed and that system was left behind.
It isn’t that teachers can’t beat kids. Even the system we had would work better, except that we don’t fund it. We don’t hire enough teachers, and don’t pay the ones we have anything like enough, and the system for funding schools leaves the schools most in need of more and better teachers with the least funding to hire them.
We used to fund education more. Going to state college used to be heavily state subsidied. Students could work for a summer and actually pay for the entire coming year of school. Not now – minimum wage has fallen considerably next to inflation, and our state and federal governmets have largely abandoned direct aid in favor of loans so that big bankers can have a chance to make a buck on the backs of struggling children.
That reduction in funding and reduced value placed on universal public education followed pretty quick on the courts deciding universal meant black kids, too. Funny, that.
“Teachers can’t beat kids anymore” is a cheap and petty and frankly wrong answer to a problem that’s a lot bigger and uglier than that.
BTF
Sorry but did I miss something…? When did she say anything about allowing school beatings? I read “teachers were no longer allowed to treat children like their own.” To me that didn’t mean beatings – it meant teachers that could use their own insight and knowledge to decide how they were going to teach their students. Now with more unified curriculum, teachers don’t really have personal input in their own classes anymore. They don’t organize curriculum, choose or provide the worksheets, decide what projects or selected readings their classes will be doing. Instead, it’s all pre-organized and handed to them, rendering many of them as nothing more than glorified babysitters. In my opinion at least, this tactic is harmful as it not only lowers the teacher’s personal inspiration and motivation to… well, teach, but kids don’t get a personal experience. I noticed going to school in the 1990s that the teachers who had more original classes and ideas to teach and who helped students on a more individual level were of the older generation, who learned their trade when that was more of a thing. It’s sad to see the relationship between teachers and students getting neutered from the education system for the sake of efficiency, all while grades are going down.
That was longer than I originally intended. Ah, whoops! XD
Shadow12000
Don’t forget that nowadays there’s more colleges that only care to make money than actually educate. The actual, legitimate colleges you always know about or can find good information on easily, while the others you only really hear about if you live nearby or from advertisements on TV. A good college never needs an advertisement, it has a reputation, it has good teachers, good classes, etc.
I tried taking some classes at a community college some years back, they forced me to take basic level computer classes (the ones where you learn how to use freaking MS Word and Excel) despite having taken an Oracle programming class in High School. They also refused to let me talk to the counselors, only new students could, everyone else that wanted help with their schedules had to sit in a room with other students trying to figure it out themselves and hope someone was helpful. The final straw that broke the camel’s back was that 9 out of 10 of the teachers I had were very obviously not teachers. Professionals in their field, maybe, but not teachers. One was even questionable for that though in the fact that when someone asked him something, he just got confused and tried to refer to the book. I realize that it being a community college doesn’t mean I’ll get the best teachers, but I didn’t expect half of them to be the stereotypical computer phone support guy, thick Indian accent included.
(No offense to anyone Indian who are good teachers or support, of course. From me anyway, can’t say if the school was being racist with hiring cheaply though.)
Jerden
I always figured that the school system existed to crush the souls of children, gradually preparing them for the tedious and ultimately futile struggle of adult life.
So, I thought it was doing pretty well.
Shadow12000
The official term for why schools are like that now is “No Child Left Behind.”
Greg
Willis said on Tumblr that Walky’s taking easy classes.
If you’re taking easy classes or classes in a subject that comes naturally to you, it can be very easy to breeze through college, for better or worse.
gangler
Makes sense. Can also depend on what your goals are. If you just want to pass, get a diploma, that’s a very different game from say anything that would require you worry about your grade-point average.
Dorothy for example wants to transfer into another school, so even an “easy” course has to be taken seriously because any minor screw-up can have major repercussions. Takes ten minutes to learn to bake a cake, takes a lot longer to learn to consistently bake a flawless cake.
Deanatay
Remember, also, that Walky isn’t paying for his education. His parents are, and they have… PLANS for him.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/04-just-hangin-out-with-my-family/footforward/
Yatsude Hatte
Well, Walkzzzpinator have planzzzz right back!
GhostWriter
I would wager if he bombs or near-bombs out of his classes (or even just one), the admonishment he’d get from mom and dad would be a huge shock to his system if they did react that way. Suddenly life wouldn’t be easy-street and he’d have to spend a semester proving himself worthy of staying in college, all the while they berate, nag, and harp on him to make sure he’s actually doing his work.
Would be an even bigger shock if Sal ended up doing BETTER than him overall because she, through her own methods, went and got help to learn the material. So far we only know that she has a math class that she’s struggling in, but she could have other subjects too. If she’s not having any big problem with those though, it could very well happen that she ends up getting As or Bs in all of those and either eeking out a C in her math or (since it is still pretty early on and she has lots of time to catch up and improve) getting a B or an A in it.
Suddenly then… mom and dad would be extremely disappointed in their golden boy and scrambling to dote on and encourage their underdog child to make up for all those years of subtly or not-so-subtly putting her second or flat out ignoring she’s even there. The “good kid” fucks up? Tear him down… The “bad kid” succeeds? QUICKLY! Spoil and gush all over her accomplishments! You knew she had it in her all along and all that tough love finally fixed her! Now they can pretend they totally don’t suck as people and parents!
Not saying that will happen, but I wouldn’t be surprised… and I kind of hope it does. I hope the Walkerton parents do pull that crap and end up getting bongoed out and flat out rejected by BOTH of their kids so they have to perform some introspection and realize how shitty they were to Sal intentionally, while their attempts to coddle Walky set him up for failure when the system wasn’t catering to his habit of coasting along and putting forth no effort to win anything.
Chris
If Walky did get lower grades than Sal: Depending on the mindset of the parents, their opinion of Sal may not change one bit unless she does something to shock them out of their underachiever / mediocre view of her (3 As and 1 B may not quite be the “slap in the face” they need).
Judging from previous strips, I wouldn’t be surprised if the parents only focus on Walky and tell him he should be getting better grades than Sal, and never even consider commending Sal for her good grades (of AABB or whatever).
GhostWriter
It could go either way… I also wouldn’t be surprised if that happened either where she DOES do better than him but then he just starts getting harped on for slacking off that “even SHE is ahead of you now! How far you have fallen! SHAME SHAME AND MISERY SHAAAAAME”. Kind of hoping that happens to so that they can get pointed out for how shitty of people they are for passive aggressively pitting sibling against sibling.
I don’t have a twin, but a similar thing did happen to me with one of my siblings… He was having trouble in school, I wasn’t, and right before I left for school I overhead my dad seething at my brother “You see HER? SHE works hard and gets good grades! YOU have no excuse!”, meanwhile my brother was already destroyed and just trying to keep from breaking completely. I marched back in and yelled at my father that I was not ok with being put on a pedestal for the sole purpose of tearing my brother down. Probably one of the only times back then that I stood up to my father and succeeded in knocking him down a peg and maybe making him think of how horrible he was being to his own kids.
EEWWW
I wouldn’t be surprised if Walky’s parents didn’t care how he does in college one way or the other. I’ve met families where the son(s) is incapable of failure so long as he spawns a child that winds up with the family name. Can’t support the whelp, no problem, so long as the name lives on!!
LittleMountain
I have a BA on my wall right now…
Didn’t study for shit.
College ain’t that hard.
LJoL
I honestly wonder sometimes why people have such an issue with college. 99% of my classes I never studied for and still got A’s. And don’t tell me it was all just easy classes. I heard people making the ‘hard classes’ excuse for classes like anatomy and biological chemistry but I never had to study for them either.
The only two classes I had issues with was my language courses (because just because my brain instantly connects one word to another that doesn’t make proper understandable sentences – use an auto web translator for proof) and then later on Cognitive Science (aka Cognitive Psychology aka “what chemicals are in the brain, and what parts of the brain do what, and how strongly do the impulses register”) which only was an issue because for that class I had to know what the levels and thresholds were – and it is ridiculously hard to correctly match seemingly random sequences of numbers to events.
Ended up with B- in both of those classes which prevented me from having a 4.0 without studying ah well. Still was given the honors ceremony for being the next best thing and graduated among the top 7 GPA’s of my graduating class.
So everyone who is gleefully waiting for Walky to crash and burn may just end up disappointed.
-Sentinel-
“So everyone who is gleefully waiting for Walky to crash and burn may just end up disappointed.”
Sooner or later, Walky will have to learn that he cannot go through life with only the barest minimum of effort. School may be easy for now, but then there’s work. So, for his sake, we SHOULD hope he gets a few bad grades that push him into getting his shit together. We are not “gleeful” about it, though.
timemonkey
Depending on what ‘work’ he ends up doing he still may not need to really try. And since his ‘work’ is going to be “eternally stuck in a temperal vortex where he’s in college forever, most likely freshmen year at that” I wouldn’t hold my breath about life catching up to him.
xKiv
When’s finals anyway? 2030?
Gold
Except Walky is a genius. That is unless Willis is trying to run us through a loop.
Schadetj
It already is. Notice that his last assignment he got back wasn’t a perfect score? And that he just realized he could skip classes and likely will in the future?
It’s gradual, but we’ll see a report card coming out soon with Cs and maybe even a D. Probably not so quick he’d get an F, but you never know.
Zpan
I dunno about this school but both my high school and college, if you were late more than 5 minutes, you were marked absent and if you missed a certain amount of days, it was taken out of your grade. You could get As across the board but you missed those days your grade went down a letter. You missed more days, you lost another letter.
Tommy Bologna
I’m doubting this is the moment. If there was a moment, I’m pretty sure it’d have more impact than “Walky got chosen to dress up like a blue Pikachu”, which is pretty cool, but not that important.
hoovy_woopeans
seems pretty important to me. Walky seems to be realizing (or at least thinking) that his mom was playing favorites here. She wanted him to be in the role because, on an unconscious level, he was whiter.
Tommy Bologna
He’s also a boy. Weren’t all the Churchmouses boys? Actually, did she even check what this audition was about before draggin’ her kids there? Their mom just seems like one of those Beauty pageant ladies that will shove her kids into anything.
hoovy_woopeans
I don’t get what you’re saying
Tommy Bologna
That she didn’t pay attention to what the audition was for, she just brought both of her kids in the hopes of both or either of them getting some TV spotlight. Ya’ know, a neglectful parent trying to live out her failed youth through her kids.
Damned
I think you’re reading too much into this. There’s nothing that tells us how much info was available at the auditions or why their mom took them
Tommy Bologna
I just realized your avatar is lookin’ right down at mine.
hoovy_woopeans
that’s nothin, head to the cast section and you get a whole lot of eye interaction.
3oranges
I’m not sure this is even an audition specifically for that role. This isn’t about the show preferring one or the other as a churchmouse, or there would be no point to the scene, never mind what Willis has actually said about it.
Taken by itself this doesn’t show Sal is right about race anything, but what happens with Walky’s reaction to it means he was being favored. Remember Billie talked to him about that, and he hadn’t acknowledged that much.
(As to whether race was a reason, by the way, this one comic doesn’t say; but the only ones who were there were the Walkertons, and David didn’t even notice there was favoritism, so I don’t know how you would get a better explanation that Sal’s first-hand opinion. Not to mention that the author decides whether it was true and has said it is).
Bill
The dude with the clipboard says, “It’s just the one line”, and Walky had only the one line in the Hymmel video.
Although it strikes me as odd that they’d be auditioning someone for a speaking role so far into the series (this was episode eight, right?).  I would expect a production company to hire and work with the same group of adults and kids over the life of the show, sort of like how the original Mouseketeers stayed with the same 12 or 14 kids, rather than go through the efforts to train a fresh group of Churchmice for every episode.
Robin
But wasn’t it just the one episode? I thought this was the only live-action episode, and the others were animated.
begbert2
I seriously doubt the show was ever animated. The sort of exhibitionist fundamentalist preacher who would dress up like a giant book to preach at kids is the sort who would wanna be seen.
(Plus, the show this is a close parody of was live-action.)
3oranges
That’s a good point. I should try actually paying attention to these comics some time, they seem like they have some good detail. 😛
GhostWriter
If it’s anything like the low budget kids shows I saw as a kid, they’d cycle through different groups of children every episode or few episodes, because the appeal of being able to get your kid on a TV show would be targeted towards parents who would compromise anything just so their kid could get a slot on a TV show. You wouldn’t have to worry about paying them much, if at all, because the ‘privilege’ of getting in front of the camera would usually be enough.
Hell, even productions like Sesame Street, which wasn’t low budget… I don’t recall the kids who were on those episodes ever being consistent. The only constant ‘humans’ on the show were the adults, while the muppets were meant to be the main cast. The kids were just kind of there to relay the “Hey kids, this show is for YOU, because there’s kids like you here!” message to keep the audience engaged.
Deanatay
Actually, I think it may be both.
http://www.psalty.com/
Belegcam
If gender was the issue, the guy would have said “We only have room for your son” instead of “We only have room for one.”
Shadow12000
She didn’t exactly say they were different genders, and unless the dude looked at the kids (whom are running around somewhere off panel), that wouldn’t be immediately obvious. A lot of twins are the same sex, and since Grace said all the church mice before were boys, she could indeed have just not payed attention to what the audition was for.
THAT BEING SAID, there was also a panel before that showed a little girl sitting on a pew, so she may have just been SOL. WE MAY NEVER KNOW!
(we’ll probably know by the end of the year maybe hopefully probably not)
insomniac
Is there anything that indicates that all the churchmice were boys? Because I don’t think there was, and this scene wouldn’t make sense if they were, so I’d assume girls can be churchmice.
Cliff
Personally, if there IS a moment, I feel like it hasn’t dropped yet, lol. Let’s wait and see before being so definitve
Cass
Ha, you know it honestly didn’t occur to me until I was reading the comments now that Linda would be picking? I thought Walky was looking back and realizing that the casting director came up with a lame-dog excuse to avoid even humoring the little girl with the trouble-making expression and natural hair, getting even flimsier when, on this occasion at least, Linda made an attempt to have her kids given the same treatment, and I assumed a second later he just grabbed Walky to audition without Linda having a say.
I thought it was Walky starting to grasp that sometimes people treated Sal differently while still not being at the point where he can acknowledge that their parents did it too.
But, duh, of course Linda would get a say in which kid they took back. Even if the casting director did choose Walky for himself she would still be making a choice not to insist that if its “Just one line” it would hardly keep them much longer to hear both of her kids say it than just one, or to just leave if they wouldn’t let both of her kids at least have a shot.
Viktoria
It’s not that this one incident is horrible or anything, Linda had to pick a kid. The problem is when it’s an example of a pattern, as Walky seems to realize here. He’s thinking back to all the other times in his life when Linda ‘had to pick a kid’ and she chose him.
Tommy Bologna
That’ll be cool, we get to see how those past instances where for some god forsaken reason Walky was the better choice. How much crack do ya’ think people were smokin’ in the 90’s?
C.W. Roden
Considering that crack came out around the late 80s and spread like wildfire in inner cities….I’d say a lot.
p
“Linda had to pick a kid.”
So did Sophie…
Arkadi
Bill Mulder, too.
JJ
Don’t be silly, that’s a rattata costume.
Mr. Random
It doesn’t show the reason why, but it does show that she was Right. That, from an early age, there was preferential treatment. I suspect that overtime we’ll see Walky come to terms that the reason why, is exactly what Sal said.
Huttj
I’m, thinking that this comic serves the purpose of LEADING INTO the comics that will show Sal was right, either by Mrs. Walkerton making the decision herself for those reasons, or the board making the choice, and mom accepting it, possibly with it coloring her future audition attempts (well, David’s more likely to get the role).
This comic in itself sets up a situation where we can see it coming, but does not itself show that Sal was right.
Unkind fish
Wow that is harsh.
C.W. Roden
I wouldn’t say that Walky is better than Sal, or even more level-headed for that matter. Both of them have their good points.
Still, if there is any merit to what Sal thinks about this race crap (and I am still not sure it is) then the issue might be with their mother. Of course, if she were racially biased its unlikely she’d marry a person of color herself.
I know that our society treats mixed-ethnic children horribly in some ways, and such racial prejudice isn’t restricted to allegedly “privileged whites” either. Darker skinned people can look down on lighter-skinned children too and be every bit as ugly. There’s no monopoly there, believe me on this.
Perhaps there’s even some deeper psychological underpinnings here that our dear Willis is teasing us with….or it could all just be a total misunderstanding on Sal’s part much like how Amazi-Girl is completely spazing out over Sal?
One thing’s for certain, some serious shit is about to go down and tomorrow can’t get here fast enough.
sucroseSaboteur
Willis has stated, over and over, that Sal is correct in her belief that their parents favored Walky because his skin is lighter.
This has been confirmed by word of god. It’s a huge part of Sal’s character. It’s an over-arching plot point that has influenced the lives of several characters in the story, including both the twins, as well as Amber, in a significant way.
Beth
Seriously? Word of God is Sal is right and you’re still saying you don’t believe it? Seriously!? I’m as white as you can be *I* know enough to know there is merit in what Sal said. Also while this specific comic doesn’t scream “subtle racism” it does show blatant favouritism giving credence to the theory that SAL IS RIGHT.
begbert2
I dunno if it’s “blatant” favoritism, given that she *had* to pick only one of them. For all we know she used eeny-meeny-miney-moe.
Beth
I’m talking about not only picking Walky but of the implication behind the fact Sal’s name is in bold and not Walky’s. Plus the memory is about Walky realizing he was “picked” over Sal and that reenforces that Sal has a point
begbert2
I didn’t notice the bolding, and even with it pointed out I would be more inclined to assume that it’s just the result of increasing volume as she tries to get her kid’s attention. I mean, she was telling them both to settle down; if she intended to lay all the blame on Sal she wouldn’t have called to Walky at all.
And I wholly agree that this is coming up because it reinforces the idea that Walky is the favored child, and doubtlessly this is just one of a cavalcade of incidents where Walky is given a hand up and Sal is left in the dust. But taken just as an isolated incident, this particular example isn’t as horrible an example of favoritism as it might have been. Linda did bring both kids with the intent to get them on the show together, and it’s only when she’s forced to make a split-second choice between them does she kick Sal to the curb. It ain’t like she left Sal behind scrubbing out the fireplace.
(I’ll just concede in advance that tomorrow’s comic might show Linda looking at her kids and saying, “You know, Sally’s poofy hair is dumb-looking and probably won’t fit under the mouse hoodie anyway. Take my good kid instead,” in which case yeah there you go.)
riteilu
Presumably, this is Walky realizing that this is, maybe, an example of a trend, and not an isolated incident.
I think that’s the way it normally happens when we notice our privilege. It’s rarely something big and overwhelming. It’s just a lot of little things that start to add up.
Willis is actually doing this perfectly, by just starting with one little instance that makes Walky wonder if maybe Sal is right. And, frankly, he does a good job with story-telling and pacing. So it wouldn’t half surprise me if it comes out bit by bit and piece by piece.
You gotta be willing to accept that some types of discrimination exist beyond just the sum of what you see, and also that if you DON’T see discrimination or CAN’T imagine it being there, it doesn’t mean it isn’t there. It just means that you didn’t notice it or can’t imagine it. And there are a lot of things in your life that you don’t notice or can’t imagine. It’s hard to find anyone who can honestly imagine infinity. Does that mean it doesn’t exist? Hell no.
It is vitally, vitally important to realize the limits of your perception, that you are not an objective judge of what influences another person’s reality or even, necessarily, a better judge than them. Give Sal the benefit of the doubt here; she might be better at knowing where her life has been. If your only basis for assuming that she’s a poor judge of what lead to what is this one instance, then maybe you could stand to reassess your opinion.
begbert2
I don’t assume that Sal is wrong about being discriminated against. See above reply for more detail.
Damned
“Darker skinned people can look down on lighter-skinned children too and be every bit as ugly. There’s no monopoly there”
Look, let’s not pretend that this is the same as white or lighter skinned people looking down on black or darker skinned people. Sure, you could flip the family situation maybe – it would be weird and you would need some explanation but the parents could treat their more ethnic-looking child better for some reason. But that wouldn’t change the fact that the world at large would treat Walky, who is ambiguous enough to pass for a tan European, better than Sal, who has the wild curly hair and darker skin, based on race.
Real talk
We don’t have to pretend, because that is exactly how it is. Whites aren’t genetically or socially more racist than blacks, or hispanics, or asians, or mixeds. Ask any white guy living in the slums in any city in Latin America and you’ll know. Every race is racist. Human beings have a sadistic need to find excuses to put themselves above others. That’s exactly what you are doing when you argue over the internet that you are “less racist” than someone else.
fit-to-freak
You need to stop.
Vibbles
Ugh, okay, I should ignore this but I can’t.
Ignoring the whole racism-is-inherent thing for now- this really isn’t about any sort of dark sinister hidden desire of white people to discriminate against non-white people, or black people to discriminate against other black people, or any singular biases of any individual. I mean, it’s about Linda, yes, and how she sees her children, but she doesn’t look at them and say ‘You know, I’ve noticed that Walky is pretty white in comparison to Sal. I should bake him cupcakes. ‘ She hears both of their voices and thinks Sal is being so loud and obnoxious and Walky should quiet down, too. She helps them get ready for school and is so glad Walky got her hair because it’s so much easier to deal with for her and looks so cute. And when she needs to pick one of her kids to show up in a cameo role on a show, she does, and it doesn’t wind up being surprising who she chooses. And yes, I argue that you can read that in to what we’ve seen of their family dynamics. I could be wrong- I’ve interpreted Willis comics wrong before-but that’s what I see.
And that has nothing to do with slums in Latin America or racist black people who hate white people, and only a little bit to do with Linda herself and how she consciously sees race, because Linda’s preference for Walky is a symptom of an endemic cultural preference for white people and white things ingrained into the culture of the United States. And it’s not good enough to say ‘Well, white people aren’t the only racists! ‘ when we have and indirectly support an unbalanced system by not challenging it. I seriously doubt we’ll ever see Linda saying that Sal is just too black- but we’ll see her having less tolerance when Sal acts up because she expects her black daughter to act the way society has told her black girls act and she feels like she needs to be ready to quiet her down and make her behave. Any she expects Walky to work harder and achieve more. She expects Walky to become a doctor in the next few years, and I don’t know if she even expects Sal to get a passing GPA.
It’s a socially ingrained attitude, and it doesn’t boil down to the individual. I’m a white girl from an overwhelming black suburb, and while I never noticed it in my childhood, yeah, I got my privilege even though I was technically a minority. It wasn’t that the white people around me just wanted white people to do well, because my teachers weren’t mostly white- it was that they had a social expectation to see the white girl studying and applying herself, and the black girl acting up, and you see what you expect to see. So when I was seperated out with the other ‘good’ students in elementary school and then when I went to a science-specialty high school and then when I went to college, the proportions of black people to white people leveled out, stopped being representative of the population. And it wasn’t because white people are just better at science, and it wasn’t that the admittance board was stocked with mustachioed Jim Crow activists. It was just that, in small and everyday interactions, people expected the white kid to study and ask questions and learn and they expect to have to tell the black kid to quiet down and behave and because of those expectations, that is what they see.
And if you don’t see that sort of ingrained unbalance in American society as a problem because hey, it’s not like there aren’t Asian racists, then I don’t even know what to say. If you don’t wanna see it in comics, don’t wanna think that someone could have biases that they don’t acknowledge that could damage how the people they are supposed to raise see themselves- well, okay, but maybe it’s worth examining.
Also I apologize for the rant and know I’m probably repeating things that have been said, but come on x_x
Jen Aside
tl;dr: “It’s no use arguing racism against X, because racism exists EVERYWHERE against EVERYONE”
Classic racist argument against doing anything to stop racism [especially the specific racism the racists are benefitting from].
kelticat
Please don’t start this again.
fit-to-freak
I’m not even going to get into the rest of it, but this: “Of course, if she were racially biased its unlikely she’d marry a person of color herself.”
???Really??? How so? Are no sexists married to women either?
Deathjavu
“Once again, Walky is just plain old better than Sal.”
I…what? Having trouble squaring that comment with this comic.
Sam
He means because Linda chose Walky to be in it over Sal – Linda shows a preference for Walky as if he is ‘better’.
Jen Aside
WAIT
Are we sure that isn’t Sydney Yus
Doctor_Who
In this universe it’s Sydney who was switched at birth, not Beef.
Plasma Mongoose
Sydney was the Walkerton’s redheaded stepchild? WHOA!
newllend
That what I thought at but the nose and eyes are what makes it look like Sal.
Yotomoe