Why should Robin be inna closet? It’s not like she doesn’t have any male romantic relationships and has been seen in the company of an “out” lesbian recently and is part of a violently homophobic political party full of self-loathing gay people…
HeySo
“homophobic political party full of self-loathing gay people”
While I’m sure there’s some number in the party that’s true for, the “full of” concept has been pretty thoroughly debunked. The main psychological premise for bigotry is actually in a desire to exploit those who are perceived as weaker than oneself, rather than being based in internal conflict. While this can’t really be noted for various sexualities or sex/gender or race, it’s notable in the fact that disabled people are actually one of the most abused minorities. Historically, that also extends to the mentally ill and elderly, and you still see some of that in modern day as well.
To reframe that, that means there’s no grounds for sympathy (however forced and bewildered) with such individuals, as they’re not dealing with some complex emotional state that makes them act irrationally- they’re simply destructive and callous and callow by nature.
Naturally, that doesn’t mean we should make assumptions that everyone is irredeemable and driven by nature rather than a complex emotional state [that’d kinda backfire, in regards to the implied ‘let’s not be bigoted towards the mentally ill’ I brought up earlier], but it does mean that there’s no reason to put oneself at risk or struggle for communication in those circumstances where it’s clear constructive interaction can’t be made.
Spiteful people are, ultimately, just spiteful, and nothing else. You can find some exceptions, perhaps, but much like Hollywood style Romances, those are incredibly rare outside of fictions. There’s no benefit to being caught up in those kind of illusions in real life, no matter how gratifying they may be.
Then again, considering how many such people have tried to actively kill me, or who’ve scammed me, or so forth, I can’t really say I’m rooting for their redemption any, to begin with. Which says less about my perspectives, and more serves as a reminder that if someone acts truly awful, then there’s no redeeming them regardless of their supposed justifications for their past behaviors. Ultimately, people do need to take responsability for their actions, especially when their actions are shockingly extreme and blatantly out of the realm of rational behavior.
thejeff
Full of is certainly an exaggeration, though there certainly are examples to point at. I’m really not fond of the common equation of homophobia with self-loathing closeted gay people. That does happen, but overwhelmingly homophobia is a straight problem, not something queers do to themselves. Don’t let straights off the hook here.
More broadly, while there certainly are spiteful people who take to bigotry by their very nature, I don’t think that’s the majority either. Mostly it’s just cultural, not innate. You’re taught hate, you learn stereotypes, you absorb prejudices from the world around you. We all do, to greater or lesser degrees
And this means they can be unlearned – though unlearning deeply set childhood prejudices is a long hard process.
temperaryobsessor
I think bigotry is sort of like our love of sugar, in that its both. Even little kids will believe that their group is better than the other group and will work for the betterment of their group first.
But what is mostly taught is what even is your group and what makes your group better than all others and how to handle that other group.
As silly as it sounds while we can make a world with less prejudice and where prejudice doesn’t cause as much damage to others; a world where people are killed for eating fruit flavor icecream instead of chocolate is more likely than a world with no prejudice.
Meagan
I didn’t understand your comment at first – was taking me longer to process the analogy – but now I think I was saying a similar thing to you.
Meagan
I recommend checking out the work of conflict studies expert/professor Dennis Sandole, as well as Daniel Bar-Tal, for some counterpoints to this narrative that bigotry is all learned and is about beliefs. There are also physiological aspects of human existence that contribute to tribalism or in-group/out-group behavior, and I don’t think we can really address intergroup confict without understanding these physiological aspects. For example, the pathway of “fear” in our brains is literally shorter – as in the length of travel along synapses – then the pathways for hope (see work by Jarymowicz and Bar-Tal). So while we can unlearn some things about out-groups, we will always have to reckon with these reactive human tendencies if we want to mitigate the more violent outcomes they can give rise to. None of us is above it.
thejeff
I certainly agree that there are physiological aspects and it’s unlikely we could eliminate it entirely. At the same time, it’s not all innate, which the poster I was replying to implied. Or even overwhelmingly innate.
The cultural aspects matter too – even if it’s only reinforcing or discouraging the expression of more physiological aspects.
Meagan
Do you have a source on the idea that bigotry is caused by a desire to exploit others? I am sincerely asking, because I’m working on a graduate project about intergroup conflict, and I have not come across this, so if someone is arguing this with evidence I want to know so I can include it in my thesis.
You’re so right. Old Yeller is a much better movie to watch.
Doctor_Who
The Lion King? Land Before Time? Any given Batman film?
Robin, if the previous universe is any indication, doesn’t get along with her family very much, so it’s possible that her movie collection reflects some subconscious issues.
Yeah…I’m kinda grateful we only get stuff from our “mom” in AC. If I got anything from my “dad”, my fiancee would just come home to me in tears and me not being able to explain why dad telling me he’s proud of in a video game makes me shatter.
Yeah….I’m crying at that idea, I miss my dad, okay? (Becky crying ain’t helping!)
There’s a fan theory out there that the dude Ina rabbit costume who shows up around Easter could be the PC’s dad trying to connect with his child in his awkward dad way. I hope that helps
It’s a feature. Your NPC gets letters from ‘Mom’ periodically, same as the automated ones your animal villagers can give. (In New Horizons it’s usually the start of the month and things like your birthday, in older games they were more random.)
There are… quite a few people who have had this reaction or similar to the cheery letters about how often she thinks of you. (There’s sometimes references to your father, as well, who is equally nice. Last game you’d get a letter from him for Father’s Day.)
My Mom was very much looking forward to New Horizons. She had the game pre-ordered, she had the New Horizon switch pre-ordered and paid for and she’d been waiting for an animal crossing game to come out on a console she could play on the television for years…quite impatiently. The last time I was with her I showed her a youtube video of some of the features it was going to have. We were excited to play together. February 27th my mom woke up not feeling well, she asked my Dad what she should do and he told her only she knew how she felt and it would have to be up to her. She called a receptionist for a doctor on call who said they’d call her back. They never returned the call. She told my Dad she was going to rest for a bit and she slipped away while he was sitting on his phone waiting for her to be ready to get up. She was 65 years old and we had no idea it was coming. My Dad plays it now in her stead and when I started the game, the letter from mom…Absolutely wrecked me. I miss her so much and I feel so robbed. This hits me on a very raw level.
Mom had some health problems, Rheumatoid arthritis and a birth defect in her heart that sometimes sent her into Afib. She had picked me up from the hospital for a pulmonary embolism a week or so before, and when she picked me up she said she was coughing up some blood. This had happened before, phemonia due to her arthritis infusions attacking her lungs, but she couldn’t function without them. I suggested she go to the doctor. She went to her cardiologist the day before she died, she was back in afib. They put her on blood thinners and a heart monitor and sent her home. My Dad believes and we agree, that putting her on the blood thinner while she was already coughing up blood caused her to suffocate. Her death certificate cited about 5 causes of death…including pulmonary embolism. It’s very possible that her condition was horribly mishandled and the treatment plan she was put on actually ended up killing her due to her pre-existing bleeding in the lungs. I hadn’t known anything about the doctor visit or the blood thinner until it was too late. She and Dad had ran around doing errands the day before and she had been fine. It was only after she took the medicine that she spiraled. My Dad’s seeking legal action for wrongful death.
AndieStardust
I’m sorry for your loss, stranger.
I really hope your family wins the court case and that you continue having fun in the game.
A couple of weeks after my dad died was Father’s Day. Which is OK, I’m a father too… but I didn’t appreciate all the companies sending me emails, “Did you remember to buy something for your dad?”
You get numb to it after a while. But I’ve been “Don’t forget your father on father’s day!” at for 24 years now without one. You kinda have to if you wanna survive June at a retail store.
I strongly empathize with Becky here. It took me months after my mom died before I could functionally deal with even banal stuff that reminded me of her and even over a decade on, now, certain things will still occasionally break me on that front. When you add on the other recent events that’d reopen that emotional wound for her…
At least you get letters from your mom in that game. Joker from Persona 5 doesn’t receive letter from his parents, making Sojiro a better parental figure. Also, on the opposite direction, Sora hasn’t contacted his mom since Kingdom Hearts 1.
Hey now, the Island Trio all spent time “home” before KH3. That’s why they were there for Sora to get the letter about saving all of the people in his heart.
Then you got the pokemon games, where the only one of those games where your mother would contact you was in gen 2, she wouldnt even show up to congratulate you once you beat the game, but the professors did. Hell the only time when the mother would contact you in Gen 2 was when they spent your money without your permission and sent you a usually useless item lol.
The item your ‘mom’ sends in Gold and Silver is actually pre-programmed up to a point, and then she’ll buy stuff out of a random pool each time you have exactly a multiple of 円2300 in savings. That said, 4 of the items are room decorations.
The Heartgold and Soulsilver works similarly, except it triggers every time you reach a multiple of 円10000. However, the list has been modified to instead give you useful held items instead of the pokédolls, and once you have all of the ‘you only get this once’ items, you get sent a bundle of 5 berries that weaken Supereffective attacks of a specific ‘element’.
Great now I’m thinking how something I didn’t really care either way about in a videogame could be triggering to people who suffered from a specific type of abuse, like Sal I’m sure she just loved that her mother took the money she was saving and decided she knew what to use it on better than Sal.
Regalli
The one saving grace is that Gen II Mom saving money is an optional feature – Sal could opt out of it, all money is her own, and it is never spent on things she doesn’t want. I think the mom offers by default, but talking to her again you can turn it off immediately. (By contrast, there’s no way to opt out of Animal Crossing’s parental letters system, and you have to open them to delete them, plus every object she sends in this game has ‘Mom’s X’ as its name.)
This comic is normally more DC than Marvel, but I think this quote fits.
“Try this. It’s like somebody shot a cannonball right through your stomach, leaving a great big hole. Eventually it starts to close up from the outside in. And one day it’ll be different. The load won’t feel as heavy.
Course, then you’ll hear a song or somebody will laugh or the wind will blow the wrong way. And the hole will tear wide open again…Believe it or not it grows back faster each time.
Wanna know why it’s called depression? Because it is depressing. A death isn’t like losing a job or getting divorced. You don’t “get over it.” You have to integrate it into your life. Learn to live with it. But… life does get better.”
That’s because Lumino just came up with it. They’re actually one of Wolverine’s many aliases.
HeySo
So Wolverine isn’t only a Japanophile, but also an internet geek? Y’know, I just keep learning new and interesting things about the guy, even after all these years. Though, I admit, I’m not really sure what to think about the internet’s claims about him being involved in a three-way with Spider-Man and Deadpool.. Definitely sounds like he has quite the involved life, though!
Not sure why my comment didn’t show up right, but the quote is from Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America #4. There’s an imgur gallery of the conversation that you can find if you look up “wolverine on grief.”
128 thoughts on “Animal Crossin’”
Ana Chronistic
oh no
…
…fluff moment, my husband is playing New Leaf, and HIS mom gave him a “lab chair”… completely different feels on that one =o
Ana Chronistic
Non-fluff: I just pictured getting this letter and thinking of my still-alive Mom, and now I’m crying, thanks Corona ?
butts
“…for a nickel”
King Monster
Those are some pretty cheap butts at that price.
Chris
It could be worse. I’m not sure how, but it could be worse.
Kella
They could be in the middle of a pandemic!
Fire_Daws
I don’t know how, the apartment could be full of rats?
Stu
This comic is how – https://external-preview.redd.it/-hkThp13lIxxzGo2cmr975X_dyAjxMYdZSCx0OLt1Dw.jpg?auto=webp&s=d2ee3f16fcfbdfb029dad591febdb487ecb202ec – it’s simultaneously heartwarming and heartbreaking.
J
Why did I read that?! You detailed exactly what it was going to do, and I read it anyway. And saved it to disk.
inespie
your comic gave me the feels, when I browsed the comment section for relief for the feels I had when I read the DoA comic. Damn you.
Tan
“I miss you but I’m proud of you”
Pickacard
Brutus is a deep cut reference oh my god
Sam
Damn you Animal Crossing. How could you.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
8-({
Nono
I can’t believe Animal Crossing was the real villain all along, maybe Roz was right.
Nono
Whoops, Mary, I meant Mary.
Oh no is that worse
NotPiffany
That is worse.
Doctor_Who
Not how I expected Robin to finally come out of the closet, but I’ll take it.
Falconer
Yeah, I was like, are you hiding in the closet, Robin?
Opus the Poet
Why should Robin be inna closet? It’s not like she doesn’t have any male romantic relationships and has been seen in the company of an “out” lesbian recently and is part of a violently homophobic political party full of self-loathing gay people…
HeySo
“homophobic political party full of self-loathing gay people”
While I’m sure there’s some number in the party that’s true for, the “full of” concept has been pretty thoroughly debunked. The main psychological premise for bigotry is actually in a desire to exploit those who are perceived as weaker than oneself, rather than being based in internal conflict. While this can’t really be noted for various sexualities or sex/gender or race, it’s notable in the fact that disabled people are actually one of the most abused minorities. Historically, that also extends to the mentally ill and elderly, and you still see some of that in modern day as well.
To reframe that, that means there’s no grounds for sympathy (however forced and bewildered) with such individuals, as they’re not dealing with some complex emotional state that makes them act irrationally- they’re simply destructive and callous and callow by nature.
Naturally, that doesn’t mean we should make assumptions that everyone is irredeemable and driven by nature rather than a complex emotional state [that’d kinda backfire, in regards to the implied ‘let’s not be bigoted towards the mentally ill’ I brought up earlier], but it does mean that there’s no reason to put oneself at risk or struggle for communication in those circumstances where it’s clear constructive interaction can’t be made.
Spiteful people are, ultimately, just spiteful, and nothing else. You can find some exceptions, perhaps, but much like Hollywood style Romances, those are incredibly rare outside of fictions. There’s no benefit to being caught up in those kind of illusions in real life, no matter how gratifying they may be.
Then again, considering how many such people have tried to actively kill me, or who’ve scammed me, or so forth, I can’t really say I’m rooting for their redemption any, to begin with. Which says less about my perspectives, and more serves as a reminder that if someone acts truly awful, then there’s no redeeming them regardless of their supposed justifications for their past behaviors. Ultimately, people do need to take responsability for their actions, especially when their actions are shockingly extreme and blatantly out of the realm of rational behavior.
thejeff
Full of is certainly an exaggeration, though there certainly are examples to point at. I’m really not fond of the common equation of homophobia with self-loathing closeted gay people. That does happen, but overwhelmingly homophobia is a straight problem, not something queers do to themselves. Don’t let straights off the hook here.
More broadly, while there certainly are spiteful people who take to bigotry by their very nature, I don’t think that’s the majority either. Mostly it’s just cultural, not innate. You’re taught hate, you learn stereotypes, you absorb prejudices from the world around you. We all do, to greater or lesser degrees
And this means they can be unlearned – though unlearning deeply set childhood prejudices is a long hard process.
temperaryobsessor
I think bigotry is sort of like our love of sugar, in that its both. Even little kids will believe that their group is better than the other group and will work for the betterment of their group first.
But what is mostly taught is what even is your group and what makes your group better than all others and how to handle that other group.
As silly as it sounds while we can make a world with less prejudice and where prejudice doesn’t cause as much damage to others; a world where people are killed for eating fruit flavor icecream instead of chocolate is more likely than a world with no prejudice.
Meagan
I didn’t understand your comment at first – was taking me longer to process the analogy – but now I think I was saying a similar thing to you.
Meagan
I recommend checking out the work of conflict studies expert/professor Dennis Sandole, as well as Daniel Bar-Tal, for some counterpoints to this narrative that bigotry is all learned and is about beliefs. There are also physiological aspects of human existence that contribute to tribalism or in-group/out-group behavior, and I don’t think we can really address intergroup confict without understanding these physiological aspects. For example, the pathway of “fear” in our brains is literally shorter – as in the length of travel along synapses – then the pathways for hope (see work by Jarymowicz and Bar-Tal). So while we can unlearn some things about out-groups, we will always have to reckon with these reactive human tendencies if we want to mitigate the more violent outcomes they can give rise to. None of us is above it.
thejeff
I certainly agree that there are physiological aspects and it’s unlikely we could eliminate it entirely. At the same time, it’s not all innate, which the poster I was replying to implied. Or even overwhelmingly innate.
The cultural aspects matter too – even if it’s only reinforcing or discouraging the expression of more physiological aspects.
Meagan
Do you have a source on the idea that bigotry is caused by a desire to exploit others? I am sincerely asking, because I’m working on a graduate project about intergroup conflict, and I have not come across this, so if someone is arguing this with evidence I want to know so I can include it in my thesis.
BBCC
Oh, that was DIRTY, Animal Crossing.
Cmd1095
Nooooo Becky don’t cry, if you cry then I’ll cry and that’ll be ugly, nooooo
Robbie
Awwww baby 🙁
Dean
Robin has Bambi set up and ready to go!
Abbe_Faria
NO! ABORT! ABORT! Negative on watching Bambi right now, I repeat negative!
Rognik
You’re so right. Old Yeller is a much better movie to watch.
Doctor_Who
The Lion King? Land Before Time? Any given Batman film?
Robin, if the previous universe is any indication, doesn’t get along with her family very much, so it’s possible that her movie collection reflects some subconscious issues.
Kamino Neko
Both the parents in Old Yeller survive the whole movie (although the father is absent for most of it), so probably wouldn’t be nearly the trigger.
HeySo
What about that scene where the family dog takes the father out back and shoots them, though?!
..I probably should stop buying bootleg chinese versions of popular products. :/
Despite Rage
Is it wrong that I might have been better with this version?
HeySo
To quote Coyote Ugly: “You’re the right kind of wrong”.
Well, either way, “it’s bound to be a heartbreak situation”.
Reference association for the uncultured:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwmzOCbFHPA
~.^
drs
I was going to suggest Bambi!
Diane
Yeah…I’m kinda grateful we only get stuff from our “mom” in AC. If I got anything from my “dad”, my fiancee would just come home to me in tears and me not being able to explain why dad telling me he’s proud of in a video game makes me shatter.
Yeah….I’m crying at that idea, I miss my dad, okay? (Becky crying ain’t helping!)
Hazel
-walks up-
-deposits sealed box of hugs-
This is for you, open if you want.
Home
There’s a fan theory out there that the dude Ina rabbit costume who shows up around Easter could be the PC’s dad trying to connect with his child in his awkward dad way. I hope that helps
Amara Rezby
So is it implied that robin sent her the letter in animal crossing? Or is that actually a feature in the game?
Diane
Actual feature. You routinely get letters from your mom with gifts and advise.
Regalli
It’s a feature. Your NPC gets letters from ‘Mom’ periodically, same as the automated ones your animal villagers can give. (In New Horizons it’s usually the start of the month and things like your birthday, in older games they were more random.)
There are… quite a few people who have had this reaction or similar to the cheery letters about how often she thinks of you. (There’s sometimes references to your father, as well, who is equally nice. Last game you’d get a letter from him for Father’s Day.)
Jamie
Does this mean it recently turned to November in-comic now?
AntJ
It’s October 21.
Needfuldoer
Next chapter suggests a time skip, though.
Unless there’s an overnight blizzard.
Peter
Games really ought to have a way to opt out of stuff like that. For some people, it’s a trigger.
Regalli
I really do wish there were some way to change who sends you those Letters From Home. At least then you could make up a sibling or something.
Netty
My Mom was very much looking forward to New Horizons. She had the game pre-ordered, she had the New Horizon switch pre-ordered and paid for and she’d been waiting for an animal crossing game to come out on a console she could play on the television for years…quite impatiently. The last time I was with her I showed her a youtube video of some of the features it was going to have. We were excited to play together. February 27th my mom woke up not feeling well, she asked my Dad what she should do and he told her only she knew how she felt and it would have to be up to her. She called a receptionist for a doctor on call who said they’d call her back. They never returned the call. She told my Dad she was going to rest for a bit and she slipped away while he was sitting on his phone waiting for her to be ready to get up. She was 65 years old and we had no idea it was coming. My Dad plays it now in her stead and when I started the game, the letter from mom…Absolutely wrecked me. I miss her so much and I feel so robbed. This hits me on a very raw level.
Jupiterror
oh damn that is tragic. best of luck.
did you find out what did her in? scary to be that sudden
Netty
Mom had some health problems, Rheumatoid arthritis and a birth defect in her heart that sometimes sent her into Afib. She had picked me up from the hospital for a pulmonary embolism a week or so before, and when she picked me up she said she was coughing up some blood. This had happened before, phemonia due to her arthritis infusions attacking her lungs, but she couldn’t function without them. I suggested she go to the doctor. She went to her cardiologist the day before she died, she was back in afib. They put her on blood thinners and a heart monitor and sent her home. My Dad believes and we agree, that putting her on the blood thinner while she was already coughing up blood caused her to suffocate. Her death certificate cited about 5 causes of death…including pulmonary embolism. It’s very possible that her condition was horribly mishandled and the treatment plan she was put on actually ended up killing her due to her pre-existing bleeding in the lungs. I hadn’t known anything about the doctor visit or the blood thinner until it was too late. She and Dad had ran around doing errands the day before and she had been fine. It was only after she took the medicine that she spiraled. My Dad’s seeking legal action for wrongful death.
AndieStardust
I’m sorry for your loss, stranger.
I really hope your family wins the court case and that you continue having fun in the game.
Chris Phoenix
A couple of weeks after my dad died was Father’s Day. Which is OK, I’m a father too… but I didn’t appreciate all the companies sending me emails, “Did you remember to buy something for your dad?”
Diane
You get numb to it after a while. But I’ve been “Don’t forget your father on father’s day!” at for 24 years now without one. You kinda have to if you wanna survive June at a retail store.
vlademir1
I strongly empathize with Becky here. It took me months after my mom died before I could functionally deal with even banal stuff that reminded me of her and even over a decade on, now, certain things will still occasionally break me on that front. When you add on the other recent events that’d reopen that emotional wound for her…
abysswatcher1993
At least you get letters from your mom in that game. Joker from Persona 5 doesn’t receive letter from his parents, making Sojiro a better parental figure. Also, on the opposite direction, Sora hasn’t contacted his mom since Kingdom Hearts 1.
Rayndel
Hey now, the Island Trio all spent time “home” before KH3. That’s why they were there for Sora to get the letter about saving all of the people in his heart.
Swithchris
Then you got the pokemon games, where the only one of those games where your mother would contact you was in gen 2, she wouldnt even show up to congratulate you once you beat the game, but the professors did. Hell the only time when the mother would contact you in Gen 2 was when they spent your money without your permission and sent you a usually useless item lol.
Khyrin
The item your ‘mom’ sends in Gold and Silver is actually pre-programmed up to a point, and then she’ll buy stuff out of a random pool each time you have exactly a multiple of 円2300 in savings. That said, 4 of the items are room decorations.
The Heartgold and Soulsilver works similarly, except it triggers every time you reach a multiple of 円10000. However, the list has been modified to instead give you useful held items instead of the pokédolls, and once you have all of the ‘you only get this once’ items, you get sent a bundle of 5 berries that weaken Supereffective attacks of a specific ‘element’.
temperaryobsessor
Great now I’m thinking how something I didn’t really care either way about in a videogame could be triggering to people who suffered from a specific type of abuse, like Sal I’m sure she just loved that her mother took the money she was saving and decided she knew what to use it on better than Sal.
Regalli
The one saving grace is that Gen II Mom saving money is an optional feature – Sal could opt out of it, all money is her own, and it is never spent on things she doesn’t want. I think the mom offers by default, but talking to her again you can turn it off immediately. (By contrast, there’s no way to opt out of Animal Crossing’s parental letters system, and you have to open them to delete them, plus every object she sends in this game has ‘Mom’s X’ as its name.)
Joe Moose
My own mom passed away in March, and when my game letter came in, I couldn’t stop the tears.
I feel you, Becky. I’d hug if I could.
Hazel
Dina got Dina-ed!
Lumino
This comic is normally more DC than Marvel, but I think this quote fits.
“Try this. It’s like somebody shot a cannonball right through your stomach, leaving a great big hole. Eventually it starts to close up from the outside in. And one day it’ll be different. The load won’t feel as heavy.
Course, then you’ll hear a song or somebody will laugh or the wind will blow the wrong way. And the hole will tear wide open again…Believe it or not it grows back faster each time.
Wanna know why it’s called depression? Because it is depressing. A death isn’t like losing a job or getting divorced. You don’t “get over it.” You have to integrate it into your life. Learn to live with it. But… life does get better.”
-Wolverine
HeySo
“This comic is normally more DC than Marvel”
I hadn’t thought about it before, but that’s definitely true.
Where’s that Wolverine quote from, by the way? The most useful google result for the quote is actually your post. :S
JBento
That’s because Lumino just came up with it. They’re actually one of Wolverine’s many aliases.
HeySo
So Wolverine isn’t only a Japanophile, but also an internet geek? Y’know, I just keep learning new and interesting things about the guy, even after all these years. Though, I admit, I’m not really sure what to think about the internet’s claims about him being involved in a three-way with Spider-Man and Deadpool.. Definitely sounds like he has quite the involved life, though!
BootsyBoom
BootsyBoom
Not sure why my comment didn’t show up right, but the quote is from Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America #4. There’s an imgur gallery of the conversation that you can find if you look up “wolverine on grief.”