I believe he’s less astonished and more worried that she’s losing the mask Though the expression persists in the last panel, so I could be wrong.
vitalProximity
I think he was like “holy shit, Amber? … OMG, Amber is AMAZI-GIRL??!” Except, you know, however Mike would word that in a moment of actual genuine emotion.
… Huh. I was fairly convinced he had to know by now, but maybe he really didn’t.
Then again, Amber isn’t tagged at all… The alt text leads me to believe he still figured it out when the mask slipped off, though.
Rex Vivat
Go ahead and reread what Mike said on January 2nd. He knows perfectly well, up to specifics, who Amazi-Girl is.
thejeff
That line still makes perfect sense if he just wanted Amber who he’d been poking to stoke her rage to use against her father, rather than Amazi-Girl who’s not involved.
For that to make sense in the way you took it he’d have to not merely know that Amber and AG share a body, which is vaguely plausible if he knew from before school, but also about the full on disassociation, which is a lot harder to justify given how much it’s increased since the year started and that there’s been nothing on panel to give him a clue.
That look of surprise when he sees AG with the mask half-off just confirms it. That’s when he recognizes her.
Mike has heard Amber refer to herself and Amazi-Girl as different people before.
And IIRC, he’s talked about it with Ethan, who knows Amber better than anyone else.
thejeff
I’m pretty sure Ethan doesn’t know about the disassociation – or at least doesn’t understand it. I don’t recall a scene where they talked about Amber being Amazi-Girl, much less about them still being different.
As for the first, I’d need to see the context.
thejeff
No reason for Amber to be tagged. She’s not here. The physical mask slipped, not the mental one. Mike can still be recognizing her when he sees that.
vitalProximity
That’s an excellent point. Amber’s face still looks like Amber, even if AG’s the one at the wheel
vitalProximity
Also… I think Mike’s expression in panel 3 might be a little of “Wait, that’s what I was trying to do. But wait, THIS guy is a next-level asshole, so if he was doing the same thing for the same reason… Fuck. Was I being WAAAY more of a dick than I ever intended, especially considering Amber is supposedly my friend? … Shit shit shit…”
Colineo
That was my impression. Blaine is basically repeating exactly what Mine said, with a slightly different perspective.
TemperaryObsessor
To be fair since I’ve actually seen Mike try to help her in the past I’m more inclined to actually believe Mike.
Daniel here. Last few comics BlainDick was going on about how liberating the mask & costume were, how you could be someone else while wearing them, and so on. NOW he’s pointing out his daughter’s apparent failings – despite his “attempts” to make her “stronger” – to the person who inadvertently helped him realize how liberating the mask is…
Even if BlaineDick DIDN’T see her face, part of me is worried he’ll put 2&2 together…
JA
If it took even Mike this long to figure it out (and only after the mask came off), then Blaine will never figure it out.
If Blaine actually said “I’m proud of you, Amazi-Girl.”, I wonder if it would cause her to self-destruct through overwhelming emotional internal conflict.
There have been strong hints to this for a while. Amber said early on that Blaine made her take self defense classes, not therapy. We saw him express disappointment that she (and Ethan) couldn’t fight back against a skinny teenager with a knife, even when Ethan’s life was threatened. We’ve seen extensively that his dislike of her, in flashback era, was because of her extreme anxiety and helplessness.
In his eyes, he was, at least at some point in time, trying to tough-love her into standing up for herself. Probably the same techniques he was on the receiving end of in his own childhood.
TemperaryObsessor
I knew that he thought or at least pretended to think thats what he was doing. But considering how “wonderfully” he took it when Amber did stand up to him as Amber its BS. He just found an excuse to pick on someone who couldn’t stand up to him.
Nyzer
Don’t forget he’s an abusive piece of shit too. He clearly views himself as the leader of the family (even after it’s been broken up) and as such should be obeyed.
That doesn’t mean he didn’t want Amber to be able to stand up to other people.
BarerMender
If Amber couldn’t stand up, it was because he beat her down all her life.
TemperaryObsessor
At first it was because she was a three. He had her since she was a newborn but I’m going to assume he mostly left her to be raised by her mom for the first few years.
Nyzer
Yep. Not sure if he either is just too stupid to understand that, or doesn’t consider that a valid “excuse” (since it’s fair to assume he grew up enduring the same kind of treatment too).
Kat
I’m reminded of the Ogres from the Changeling: The Lost (in which the Seemings are all just metaphors for coping strategies anyway). “Hurt people hurt people.”
Amber is not tagged, and the final panel lacks cheek-blushes – Amazi-Girl is still calling the shots, I believe.
vitalProximity
Since the mask is back on in the final panel, I would think that panel counts as Amazi-Girl. Panel *5* is when the mask is off, and when Mike sees something that apparently shocks him… And the way the mask falls *conveniently* hides whether there are rosy cheeks or not. Hmmm. Coincidence? I think not… Perhaps a reintegration is imminent?
AG definitely seems a little ticked off on Amber’s behalf, at the very least.
King Daniel
My memory is a little fuzzy, but I remember Cerberus talking back in the day about how reintegration was not common for alters, nor was it recommended – rather, what was was the alters learning to work and cooperate with each other.
Or Mike thought Amazi-Girl was still just a character Amber roleplayed as, and he didn’t realize how deep the dissociation rabbit-hole goes.
Or maybe Mike’s hearing Blaine justify himself from the same angle that he’s used to justify his own edgelord asshole behavior to his friends, that it’s “tough love for their own good”.
On mobile right now so I can’t link, but Amber herself has talked in the comic about how she and Amazi-Girl ”share the same 5’2” meat vehicle.” Not to mention all the commenters – such as our esteemed Cerberus – who have talked at length about how Amber/Amazi-Girl’s storyline reflects their own experiences with DID.
Yes. Amazi-girl has taken the meat-ship they share out of port without Amber’s knowledge in the past (and Amber discovered the evidence in the form of skinned knuckles the morning after), and while they used to share information, Amazi-girl has recently been keeping it to herself.
thejeff
Goes both ways. Amazi-Girl was recently surprised to learn Amber’d been making out with Walky.
miri
And he forgot to mention that he had split up with Dorothy prior to the make-outs, which can’t have done great things for AG’s faith in Amber to make good life choices…
Yes. The dissociation has progressed to the point that it fits diagnostic criteria and even that it inhibits their functioning. Amazon girl and Amber no longer share memories- amazi girl has been surprised to hear about amber’s actions and I believe amazi girl has been getting out without amber’s knowledge.
They’ve split on a lot of personality traits and values as well, beyond standard human complexity.
People seem to be very insistent that Mike already knows when all the signs in-comic point to him not knowing.
foamy
Maybe, but like, all Mike can see from that angle, mask or not, is her hair.
Rotunda
It’s likely that the artist has decided to concentrate this part of the drama into a single frame with both faces visible rather than using cinematic conventions of reversed camera angles, which takes an extra frame.
TemperaryObsessor
A few panels ago he was talking about Amber in the third person in a way that implies he knows.
Eolirin
If Mike hasn’t made the connection that Amber has DID his hyper awareness of people’s weaknesses would make him less not more likely to put two and two together. Amber can’t do the things Amazi-Girl does. Mike would assume they’re two separate people, because they are.
miri
Amber has demonstrated her parkour skills previously, and it’s Amber who beat Ryan into the hospital, despite him being the one who came armed and looking for a fight…
thejeff
Talking about Amber in the third person implies he knows? I don’t follow.
That bit was ambiguous, probably deliberately so. Could be read as either “I wish the Amber alter was in charge now instead of the Amazi-Girl alter, so all the work I’d done poking her would pay off in an explosion aimed at Blaine.” or “I wish Amber (the physical person) was hero now instead of Amazi-Girl , so all the work I’d done poking her would pay off in an explosion aimed at Blaine.”
For the first to make sense, he’d have to know not just about the secret identity, but also the DID and that’s a lot harder to justify since he’s had almost no clues on panel and her degree of disassociation has changed drastically since the start of the semester.
Needfuldoer
In the Dec. 31st strip, Mike says he found Toedad and the Blaine outside “a house party”, not “the house party” or “Becky’s house party”. He knew Amber was at the party, so he might have said “the party” if he thought she and AG were one and the same. (By which I mean “AG is a character persona Amber puts on at will to do vigilante stuff”.)
Before this, AG and Mike were only in two strips together, where she interrogated him during the Whiteboard Ding-Dong Bandit investigation.
TemperaryObsessor
Talking about Amber in the third person right after Amazigirl said it wasn’t exactly me you were fighting last time.
Also Mike would not intentionally hand Blaine that.
Clif
Not all the signs in comic point to him not knowing. The signs start back in an early strip where Amber is talking to Ethan and Mike and Ethan says, “we know what you’ve been doing,” refering to her activities as Amazigirl. Now Ethan could have been using the royal we,but the implication is that Ethan knows and he knows Mike knows. Again, Mike’s recent conversation about wishing for Amber over Amazigirl reads very strangely considering a few strips earlier he was calling for Amazigirl to show up, unless he in fact knows. I will admit to some ambiguity in what Mike knows, but in fact the proponderence of the evidence is that he does.
King Daniel
The early strips had a few instances of Early Installment Weirdness going on – until Willis went back and edited the actual images a year or so back, I remember there were a few strips, for example, where Sal wasn’t wearing gloves (in fact, I remember how for years those strips used to be brought up as evidence that Sal wasn’t trying to conceal a scar on her hand).
thejeff
I can’t find any early strip like that and I don’t remember one.
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Rob Cottingham
Nice to see Mike truly, genuinely astonished for once.
Screwball
It is something that doesn’t happen very often, is it?
Daniel the Human could have worded that better, but hopefully you get the point…
Clif
I believe he’s less astonished and more worried that she’s losing the mask Though the expression persists in the last panel, so I could be wrong.
vitalProximity
I think he was like “holy shit, Amber? … OMG, Amber is AMAZI-GIRL??!” Except, you know, however Mike would word that in a moment of actual genuine emotion.
… Huh. I was fairly convinced he had to know by now, but maybe he really didn’t.
Then again, Amber isn’t tagged at all… The alt text leads me to believe he still figured it out when the mask slipped off, though.
Rex Vivat
Go ahead and reread what Mike said on January 2nd. He knows perfectly well, up to specifics, who Amazi-Girl is.
thejeff
That line still makes perfect sense if he just wanted Amber who he’d been poking to stoke her rage to use against her father, rather than Amazi-Girl who’s not involved.
For that to make sense in the way you took it he’d have to not merely know that Amber and AG share a body, which is vaguely plausible if he knew from before school, but also about the full on disassociation, which is a lot harder to justify given how much it’s increased since the year started and that there’s been nothing on panel to give him a clue.
That look of surprise when he sees AG with the mask half-off just confirms it. That’s when he recognizes her.
Freezer
Mike has heard Amber refer to herself and Amazi-Girl as different people before.
And IIRC, he’s talked about it with Ethan, who knows Amber better than anyone else.
thejeff
I’m pretty sure Ethan doesn’t know about the disassociation – or at least doesn’t understand it. I don’t recall a scene where they talked about Amber being Amazi-Girl, much less about them still being different.
As for the first, I’d need to see the context.
thejeff
No reason for Amber to be tagged. She’s not here. The physical mask slipped, not the mental one. Mike can still be recognizing her when he sees that.
vitalProximity
That’s an excellent point. Amber’s face still looks like Amber, even if AG’s the one at the wheel
vitalProximity
Also… I think Mike’s expression in panel 3 might be a little of “Wait, that’s what I was trying to do. But wait, THIS guy is a next-level asshole, so if he was doing the same thing for the same reason… Fuck. Was I being WAAAY more of a dick than I ever intended, especially considering Amber is supposedly my friend? … Shit shit shit…”
Colineo
That was my impression. Blaine is basically repeating exactly what Mine said, with a slightly different perspective.
TemperaryObsessor
To be fair since I’ve actually seen Mike try to help her in the past I’m more inclined to actually believe Mike.
Nono
Blaine: so what I’m saying is…. can I adopt you?
Laladoria
That sure is what it sounds like. This is his way of saying “I love you, kid!”
Doctor_Who
Maybe he’s like Ra’s al Ghul and he wants Amazi-Girl to marry his daughter and inherit his phony carpentry business.
Max
Better not make that proposal in front of Toe Dad.
J
Galasso would like a word with you.
fridge_logic
Ra’s al Ghul had a phony carpentry business?
Screwball
Daniel here. Last few comics BlainDick was going on about how liberating the mask & costume were, how you could be someone else while wearing them, and so on. NOW he’s pointing out his daughter’s apparent failings – despite his “attempts” to make her “stronger” – to the person who inadvertently helped him realize how liberating the mask is…
Even if BlaineDick DIDN’T see her face, part of me is worried he’ll put 2&2 together…
JA
If it took even Mike this long to figure it out (and only after the mask came off), then Blaine will never figure it out.
Zaxares
If Blaine actually said “I’m proud of you, Amazi-Girl.”, I wonder if it would cause her to self-destruct through overwhelming emotional internal conflict.
vitalProximity
Presumably, since Amber did before when he told her the same thing after she did something awful. I can’t remember what
foamy
What the actual fuck, Blaine.
DudeMyDadOwnsaDealership
Blaine-quality ‘Every Villain is the Hero of Their Own Story” rationalization, perhaps?
Nyzer
There have been strong hints to this for a while. Amber said early on that Blaine made her take self defense classes, not therapy. We saw him express disappointment that she (and Ethan) couldn’t fight back against a skinny teenager with a knife, even when Ethan’s life was threatened. We’ve seen extensively that his dislike of her, in flashback era, was because of her extreme anxiety and helplessness.
In his eyes, he was, at least at some point in time, trying to tough-love her into standing up for herself. Probably the same techniques he was on the receiving end of in his own childhood.
TemperaryObsessor
I knew that he thought or at least pretended to think thats what he was doing. But considering how “wonderfully” he took it when Amber did stand up to him as Amber its BS. He just found an excuse to pick on someone who couldn’t stand up to him.
Nyzer
Don’t forget he’s an abusive piece of shit too. He clearly views himself as the leader of the family (even after it’s been broken up) and as such should be obeyed.
That doesn’t mean he didn’t want Amber to be able to stand up to other people.
BarerMender
If Amber couldn’t stand up, it was because he beat her down all her life.
TemperaryObsessor
At first it was because she was a three. He had her since she was a newborn but I’m going to assume he mostly left her to be raised by her mom for the first few years.
Nyzer
Yep. Not sure if he either is just too stupid to understand that, or doesn’t consider that a valid “excuse” (since it’s fair to assume he grew up enduring the same kind of treatment too).
Kat
I’m reminded of the Ogres from the Changeling: The Lost (in which the Seemings are all just metaphors for coping strategies anyway). “Hurt people hurt people.”
Charlie Spencer
She’s got him monologuing.
Julez
Aha, it seems Mike DIDN’T know until now.
tim gueguen
Either that, or something has made him think Amber is now in control
King Daniel
Amber is not tagged, and the final panel lacks cheek-blushes – Amazi-Girl is still calling the shots, I believe.
vitalProximity
Since the mask is back on in the final panel, I would think that panel counts as Amazi-Girl. Panel *5* is when the mask is off, and when Mike sees something that apparently shocks him… And the way the mask falls *conveniently* hides whether there are rosy cheeks or not. Hmmm. Coincidence? I think not… Perhaps a reintegration is imminent?
AG definitely seems a little ticked off on Amber’s behalf, at the very least.
King Daniel
My memory is a little fuzzy, but I remember Cerberus talking back in the day about how reintegration was not common for alters, nor was it recommended – rather, what was was the alters learning to work and cooperate with each other.
LeslieBean4shizzle
Alternatively, he might just be worried that she’s going to be revealed. “Oh shit, her mask is damaged!”
I dunno. Mike is hard to read.
Los
I find it weird that Mike, the lovechild of incisive wit and situational awareness, wou,d not have made the connection already
Needfuldoer
Or Mike thought Amazi-Girl was still just a character Amber roleplayed as, and he didn’t realize how deep the dissociation rabbit-hole goes.
Or maybe Mike’s hearing Blaine justify himself from the same angle that he’s used to justify his own edgelord asshole behavior to his friends, that it’s “tough love for their own good”.
King Daniel
So, I think we’ve seen in-comic confirmation that Mike didn’t know about the whole bodyshare thing going on until just now.
Doctor_Who
Yeah, I always figured he knew, since figuring out people’s insecurities is kind of his whole thing. Guess not.
Hugo Bedward
Is it really a bodyshare split personality thing?
King Daniel
On mobile right now so I can’t link, but Amber herself has talked in the comic about how she and Amazi-Girl ”share the same 5’2” meat vehicle.” Not to mention all the commenters – such as our esteemed Cerberus – who have talked at length about how Amber/Amazi-Girl’s storyline reflects their own experiences with DID.
Khyrin
Yes. Amazi-girl has taken the meat-ship they share out of port without Amber’s knowledge in the past (and Amber discovered the evidence in the form of skinned knuckles the morning after), and while they used to share information, Amazi-girl has recently been keeping it to herself.
thejeff
Goes both ways. Amazi-Girl was recently surprised to learn Amber’d been making out with Walky.
miri
And he forgot to mention that he had split up with Dorothy prior to the make-outs, which can’t have done great things for AG’s faith in Amber to make good life choices…
Z
Yes. The dissociation has progressed to the point that it fits diagnostic criteria and even that it inhibits their functioning. Amazon girl and Amber no longer share memories- amazi girl has been surprised to hear about amber’s actions and I believe amazi girl has been getting out without amber’s knowledge.
They’ve split on a lot of personality traits and values as well, beyond standard human complexity.
William Leonard Reese Jr.
So . . .Mike has finally found out and is both astonished . . and horrified if I am reading his expression right?
I wonder if the mask being punched/ripped off like that will lead to Amber coming out to law down the biggest of arse kickings.
Vigil
I am very sure he already knew and was only showing shock because he was worried her identity was gonna be revealed
LeslieBean4shizzle
That was my take as well, Vigil.
That he’s worried about her being revealed, I mean. Of course, it can be hard to tell for certain.
vitalProximity
But if that’s the case, why does he looked surprised still/again when the mask goes back on in panel 6?
Fart Captor
Also, the alt-text
Nono
People seem to be very insistent that Mike already knows when all the signs in-comic point to him not knowing.
foamy
Maybe, but like, all Mike can see from that angle, mask or not, is her hair.
Rotunda
It’s likely that the artist has decided to concentrate this part of the drama into a single frame with both faces visible rather than using cinematic conventions of reversed camera angles, which takes an extra frame.
TemperaryObsessor
A few panels ago he was talking about Amber in the third person in a way that implies he knows.
Eolirin
If Mike hasn’t made the connection that Amber has DID his hyper awareness of people’s weaknesses would make him less not more likely to put two and two together. Amber can’t do the things Amazi-Girl does. Mike would assume they’re two separate people, because they are.
miri
Amber has demonstrated her parkour skills previously, and it’s Amber who beat Ryan into the hospital, despite him being the one who came armed and looking for a fight…
thejeff
Talking about Amber in the third person implies he knows? I don’t follow.
That bit was ambiguous, probably deliberately so. Could be read as either “I wish the Amber alter was in charge now instead of the Amazi-Girl alter, so all the work I’d done poking her would pay off in an explosion aimed at Blaine.” or “I wish Amber (the physical person) was hero now instead of Amazi-Girl , so all the work I’d done poking her would pay off in an explosion aimed at Blaine.”
For the first to make sense, he’d have to know not just about the secret identity, but also the DID and that’s a lot harder to justify since he’s had almost no clues on panel and her degree of disassociation has changed drastically since the start of the semester.
Needfuldoer
In the Dec. 31st strip, Mike says he found Toedad and the Blaine outside “a house party”, not “the house party” or “Becky’s house party”. He knew Amber was at the party, so he might have said “the party” if he thought she and AG were one and the same. (By which I mean “AG is a character persona Amber puts on at will to do vigilante stuff”.)
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2019/comic/book-10/02-to-remind-you-of-my-love/interloper/
Before this, AG and Mike were only in two strips together, where she interrogated him during the Whiteboard Ding-Dong Bandit investigation.
TemperaryObsessor
Talking about Amber in the third person right after Amazigirl said it wasn’t exactly me you were fighting last time.
Also Mike would not intentionally hand Blaine that.
Clif
Not all the signs in comic point to him not knowing. The signs start back in an early strip where Amber is talking to Ethan and Mike and Ethan says, “we know what you’ve been doing,” refering to her activities as Amazigirl. Now Ethan could have been using the royal we,but the implication is that Ethan knows and he knows Mike knows. Again, Mike’s recent conversation about wishing for Amber over Amazigirl reads very strangely considering a few strips earlier he was calling for Amazigirl to show up, unless he in fact knows. I will admit to some ambiguity in what Mike knows, but in fact the proponderence of the evidence is that he does.
King Daniel
The early strips had a few instances of Early Installment Weirdness going on – until Willis went back and edited the actual images a year or so back, I remember there were a few strips, for example, where Sal wasn’t wearing gloves (in fact, I remember how for years those strips used to be brought up as evidence that Sal wasn’t trying to conceal a scar on her hand).
thejeff
I can’t find any early strip like that and I don’t remember one.
BBCC
And did it ever occur to you that maybe you weren’t actually helping and were in fact making things worse, Blaine?
No? Ah. I see.
Regalli
I mean, that would require him to actually think about other people and his impact on them. Or care.
Agemegos
People like that start with the premise that they are right.
James P Huggins
The best part is Mike’s expression in that panel. “That’s… what I was trying to do. Oh.”
vitalProximity
Oh good, you saw that too? That gives me a little hope for him as well
BBCC
Yuuuuup.