I think you could make the argument. She said she’s not attached to her gender presentation but I think she’s also comfortable with it and doesn’t feel dysphoria. Some feel that qualification is important.
Some others might argue the point, rather than alleviate dysphoria, might be to generate euphoria! As in everything, it’s an spectrum, and in special with NBs ^^
Samniel
Just giving a +1 that we’re moving away from dysphoria being a thing that “proves” someone is trans/enby and towards gender euphoria, that is, feeling good about your gender presentation.
I don’t think that someone who thinks dysphoria is required to be non-binary has much place making that kind of call.
Honestly I don’t think anyone really should have the authority to set criteria for someone else for their gender, but that’s beside this particular point.
If Dina doesn’t feel an impetus to identify as non-binary then that is entirely valid, but she’s the only one who gets to make that call (I mean technically Willis does, but trying to draw those distinctions gets messy)
Nymph
Yeah I agree. Dysphoria is absolutely NOT a criteria for being nonbinary or binary trans. And anyone who thinks suffering is necessary to prove gender can stuff it.
Thing2
Ooo. Binary trans, please explicate.
The Queer Agenda [frog memes]
Binary just means folks who identify as a woman or man
vs. nonbinary being folks not covered by the typical dichotomy
Thing2
Yeah, Sorry, was not clear. Also didn’t type correctly. Also did not read correctly. Nymph meant nonbinary and trans, or binary and trans. My brain interpreted binary trans as a special term for people who are trans in the sense of being either male, or being female (hence binary) depending on how the mood takes them (but not being nonbinary).
Thanks for responding tho.
Agender people exist. (Or gender casual as Elliot Dunkel might put it)
Morhek
Boy, that’d really spike Becky’s lesbian anxiety until she realises she loves Dina however they present.
Yumi
Kind of confused by the use of agender people here. I don’t really know the comic referenced, but it seems different (even if there’s potential overlap) than “gender casual.”
Jeremiah
It is a made up term from that comic that one of the character use to describe his fellings about his gender expression that another rone of the character interprets, probably correctly, as being agender. They are mean to be interchangeable in this one instance.
Yumi
Okay. As an agender person, I was confused about it being used as a response to what Sirksome said. There are many ways to experience it, like with any identity, but mine certainly doesn’t include a lack of dysphoria. (Or indifference.)
Jeremiah
Yeah like you said, there many ways to experience it.
+1 for the EGS reference. When Elliot first got zapped and became Ellen he was frantic to get back to his assigned gender, but after a year or so of having to spend at least 8 hours as a female he’s gotten used to the idea. But his touching the dewitchery jewel created Ellen as a separate person who can change people’s gender with what they call the FV5 zap in-comic.
No, this is in response to Becky being afraid she might like some guys, and this will somehow be bad for her. The discussion happened in gender studies, but I don’t remember when.
Joys or arbitrary societal norms.
On a side note, I still don’t understand the point of having male and female clothes for young kids, especially babies. I know that stores wanted it from a commercial standpoint (people buy more clothes if they need different clothes for a son or daughter). The color restriction is what annoys me the most (red and yellow for girls and blue or green for boys), but I still don’t understand why boys can’t wear frills, glitter, or skirts and girls can’t wear monster truck or superhero things. Most toddler’s I know go through a construction vehicle phase no matter the gender. Just all makes no sense to me.
Jeremiah
Arbitrary and outdated Societal expectations and the like.
Regret
I strongly agree with your side note. If kids care about it you can give them the colour / pattern / style that they want. If they don’t care, then neither should the parent. I’m reminded of the “is this kids toy for boys or girls?” flowchart where the question is “is this toy operated with the genitals?” And the two possible answers are “No – This is for all kids” and “Yes – This is not a kids toy”, we can apply the same to kids clothing. The only thing that matters is if it fits the kid’s body.
Leorale
Nonbinary parent here, I have opinions on gendered baby/kids’ clothes. My 1y.o. does not care what he wears and would be delighted to crawl around naked, eating sand.
Babies used to all wear dresses (easy diaper changes, plus if you needed them to stay put you could tie ’em to things).
It’s entirely modern marketing so that you’ll buy more clothes. Plus people think that gender roles are cute, imagining the little kid as an outdated grownup based on the one bit of info you have. It’s legit hard to find clothes in bright colors that aren’t pink/blue (tho I really like primary.com).
The three baby genders are apparently frilly pink, butch blue, and dull pale grey.
zee
I think we should go back to putting babies in dresses. Tiny tuxedos for events are cute tho
Plain Marie
That’s why we leaned heavily into green and purple when the kiddo was young. But since baby days, they’ve gone through multiple preferences, red, stripey things, mucho pink, black, what i call “neutral boy band”, and navy and dusty pink, dusty blues. Nothing i could have predicted, none of “my” colors. Ha.
Kimi
They should really make clothes of all colors. Not everyone’s skin tone goes with the typical colors. My niece’s skin tone with her blue eyes goes well with green, grey or blue, but does not look good in orange.
Adept
Gendering toddlers is parents trying to stuff them into their preferred boxes.
ThomasQuinn
Did you know that up to roughly 1914, it was common in the western world for boys to wear skirts until they were about 5? And that as late as the 1940s, pink was considered a color for boys, and light blue for girls? These kinds of societal constructs are not as old or unchanging as people often think.
Pink for girls is a relatively new thing, from the late 1940s. After winning the war on the homefront, the Rosie the Riveter working ladies wer fed up to death with wearing blue coveralls, and basically self-selected pink as the new preferred presenting-female color. Up to that point pink was the manly color, so much so that the color for the leading cyclist in the Giro d’ Italia is pink.
Kimi
I believe that it was considered manly due to red being a “blood” color. Blue was considered a color of “purity”.
Li
Specifically it was (and still is) strongly associated with the Virgin Mary.
Pink being for boys makes a lot more sense when you realize how unusual it is for a paler shade of a primary color to get its own super common color word. Like if you break out the Crayolas, sure, light green has its own color word, but it still isn’t a completely separate color the way Pink is.
Bittersweet
Some kids care very much about it no matter how hard you try to avoid it. My daughter refused to wear yellow and blue clothes even as an infant that couldn’t roll over. Idk what possibly got into her head that little, but she’s been glitter and sparkles her entire life. Despises pants with a passion. My husband and I certainly didn’t conform at that period of her life (I was exploring my gender and presenting as male, I think I might be closer to bigender but have no clue and given the current situation in Texas have decided to just… pause that for a bit. My husband has beautiful long hair, which isn’t effeminate in itself but most dudes here are shaved near bald, so I think it counts as nonconforming.)
As much as I wish she would wear jeans or get over the “that’s a boy thing” phase to make my life easier, she knows what makes her comfortable. She’s a baby pastel goth, that’s what she’s chosen as her style since I let her decide her clothes since she could walk lol.
It’s true, autistic people are good at questioning social norms that are typically used to exclude us from everything, and there’s much overlap with gender nonconformism.
Though if you want to be paranoid we’re also good at faking indifference. A common strategy when you grow up not understanding your feelings is developing the belief they don’t exist. Me, I took 35 years to figure out I was trans cause I preferred to ignore everything my heart and my body was telling me, and that only worked for so long. If Dina’s “unconcerned” attitude to gender and sexuality was similarly powered by denial, it would fit.
I’m autistic, and I have to admit I am not as concerned with gender presentation. I can’t do performative gender at all. My concern has always been physical gender. To put it simply, to be the “right” thing stark naked. Its always been about the physiological aspect to me. Its an issue of “the correct plumbing” not about whether I can wear “pretty clothes” or act a certain way in society. This has always put me at odds with the current definition of “transgender”. Its why I still say transsexual instead of transgeder, in my case anyway as sex is much more important to me than gender roles or prsentation.
Kimi
I think that I also differentiate in between transsexual and transgender in my mind. I am not sure that I knew the terms for it, but one is a frustration with biology while the other is a frustration with societal norms, if that makes sense.
It’s possible! I was pondering on it and many of the clothes we’ve seen Dina wear up to this point don’t exactly read as feminine nor masculine and are instead rather neutral androgynous sort of clothes. At the same time, outside of specific instances with her dinosaur hoodie, I think Dina primarily dresses for comfort rather than style. I could see her as a comfortable she/they non-binary (much like myself, as I also dress in a neutral style rather than directly masc or femme). We’ll have to see how it goes, though.
Also I wanna take this time to remember the time there was some discourse in the comments about Dina looking younger than her age and one of the things a commenter told me was that she “dresses like she’s a kid” which was annoying and upsetting. How exactly does she dress like a kid, just because she’s not wearing daisy dukes and showing off her breasts?
Yumi
If she did go for a more masc look, she might end up being read as even younger… a person once asked my mom, “Is he older than seven?” about me when I was a fully grown adult– she wasn’t that close to us, and probably was open to giving my mom some wiggle room in saying what my age was, but again. Adult. (I had shaved my head a couple months previously, and the super short hair was getting me he/him/sir-ed A LOT.)
Needfuldoer
She’s petite in general, and her hat takes off another 5 to 7 years.
I am on my knees, begging and pleading for people in the comments to not insist that a woman being petite means she is a child or childish and should therefore be seen as ‘a child’.
Needfuldoer
Where did I say that?
Doopyboop
My question was “how exactly does she dress like a kid” and your answer was “she’s petite in general”. How is that NOT you saying “she’s petite so she looks like a kid”.
eh, whatever
“looks like a kid” does not mean “is a child or childish”, and does not mean “should […] be seen as ‘a child'” (emphasis mine).
Doopyboop
I’ll admit that some of my comment was also speaking generally because in the past I have had people try to argue to me that because Dina wears dinosaur hats, eats cereal, and doesn’t wear form fitting clothing, along with being short, she’s “clearly” going to be seen as younger than she is and therefore shouldn’t be annoyed about being referred to as if she was a child.
eh, whatever
You didn’t, it’s preemptive.
Doopyboop
Also, I am forever gonna be on the side that ‘Dina wearing a cute dino hat that gives her joy doesn’t mean she’s dressing like a child or otherwise imply she’s being childish, she’s 19 fucking years old for God’s sake, let people have a bit of whimsy’.
Mark
There’s a difference between “dressing like a child” and “being childish”. “When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” — C. S. Lewis [speaking of reading fantasy, but it applies broadly]
I suspect that Dina has learned from unhappy experience that conforming to others’ expectations doesn’t buy her anything she values. She may be the most mature member of the cast. But you have to know her to discover that.
I used to go to a campout every year for several years that did not allow pants on either gender so I got a couple of nice skirts to wear there, my favorite being a red number with blue hibiscus flowers printed on it. I wore it topless with a generous coat of sunblock rubbed into my fur. As I have gotten older my body hair has thinned out considerably so that you can actually see skin on my chest now, and just barely on my back. And yes I have been mistaken for a juvenile Squatch at times.
More likely, she’s gender non-conforming, honestly, at least as portrayed so far. She simply feels no particular attachment to ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ performance; she does what she likes, including indulging her fascination with dinosaurs, children’s cereal, and Becky.
I get the feeling that she doesn’t care enough about gender roles and expectations to be non-binary. There’s no evidence of any perceived discomfort with “being a woman” but she also seems like the type who would identify herself as whatever makes the most functional sense for a given situation and environment.
I mean tbf being gender-apathetic means non-conformity to established gender-binary and thus still goes under the non-binary umbrella
Regret
As someone who is gender-apathetic I’m equally happy with being considered non-binary versus being considered outside of the gender spectrum. It has a vague academic interest since which it is helps shape my view of what the gender categories mean, but personally I am not affected either way.
Nicoleandmaggie
Same. I only know I’m a-gender because my kids told me I was and I looked it up and was like yep that seems right.
I prefer this version, though they’ve kind of made it anachronistic for the time period by not using the most racist version of the lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RISDJO_w9h4
145 thoughts on “Duds”
mindbleach
I appreciate that the alt-text fits scansion.
Davus
I’m having trouble seeing it. Could you show your work? (Which meter? Dactylic Hexameter? Eligiac Couplet?)
Kelli
“They won’t let you remember” has the same number of syllables as “right after they transition.”
a/snow/mous/e
“here COME the MEN in BLACK, right AFter THEY tranSItion”, probably
a/snow/mous/e
(so ~iambic hexameter)
Sirksome
I find most gender specifics rather arbitrary but go off Becks you’re working through it.
DailyBrad
I love these two’s dynamic.
Jo_cubstar
Is Dina non-binary? Or coming to terms with it?
Sirksome
I think you could make the argument. She said she’s not attached to her gender presentation but I think she’s also comfortable with it and doesn’t feel dysphoria. Some feel that qualification is important.
Dante
Some others might argue the point, rather than alleviate dysphoria, might be to generate euphoria! As in everything, it’s an spectrum, and in special with NBs ^^
Samniel
Just giving a +1 that we’re moving away from dysphoria being a thing that “proves” someone is trans/enby and towards gender euphoria, that is, feeling good about your gender presentation.
Devin
I don’t think that someone who thinks dysphoria is required to be non-binary has much place making that kind of call.
Honestly I don’t think anyone really should have the authority to set criteria for someone else for their gender, but that’s beside this particular point.
If Dina doesn’t feel an impetus to identify as non-binary then that is entirely valid, but she’s the only one who gets to make that call (I mean technically Willis does, but trying to draw those distinctions gets messy)
Nymph
Yeah I agree. Dysphoria is absolutely NOT a criteria for being nonbinary or binary trans. And anyone who thinks suffering is necessary to prove gender can stuff it.
Thing2
Ooo. Binary trans, please explicate.
The Queer Agenda [frog memes]
Binary just means folks who identify as a woman or man
vs. nonbinary being folks not covered by the typical dichotomy
Thing2
Yeah, Sorry, was not clear. Also didn’t type correctly. Also did not read correctly. Nymph meant nonbinary and trans, or binary and trans. My brain interpreted binary trans as a special term for people who are trans in the sense of being either male, or being female (hence binary) depending on how the mood takes them (but not being nonbinary).
Thanks for responding tho.
Li
+1
Jeremiah
Agender people exist. (Or gender casual as Elliot Dunkel might put it)
Morhek
Boy, that’d really spike Becky’s lesbian anxiety until she realises she loves Dina however they present.
Yumi
Kind of confused by the use of agender people here. I don’t really know the comic referenced, but it seems different (even if there’s potential overlap) than “gender casual.”
Jeremiah
It is a made up term from that comic that one of the character use to describe his fellings about his gender expression that another rone of the character interprets, probably correctly, as being agender. They are mean to be interchangeable in this one instance.
Yumi
Okay. As an agender person, I was confused about it being used as a response to what Sirksome said. There are many ways to experience it, like with any identity, but mine certainly doesn’t include a lack of dysphoria. (Or indifference.)
Jeremiah
Yeah like you said, there many ways to experience it.
Devin
“gender-ambivalent” is also a good one
Opus the Poet
+1 for the EGS reference. When Elliot first got zapped and became Ellen he was frantic to get back to his assigned gender, but after a year or so of having to spend at least 8 hours as a female he’s gotten used to the idea. But his touching the dewitchery jewel created Ellen as a separate person who can change people’s gender with what they call the FV5 zap in-comic.
ZombieKyrik
No, this is in response to Becky being afraid she might like some guys, and this will somehow be bad for her. The discussion happened in gender studies, but I don’t remember when.
Sirksome
It might have just been yesterday. Who knows?
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2025/comic/book-15/02-the-one-where-jocelyne-returns/rock-solid/
Dante
I feel that, like a lot of autistic people, gender rules make no sense so we make a playground of them :3c
Maybe she just hadn’t figured out it was a possibility _because_ she didn’t care enough to explore it?
NGPZ
yee can confirm ^^
was so much better once I found out being genderfluid is a thing <3
Kimi
Joys or arbitrary societal norms.
On a side note, I still don’t understand the point of having male and female clothes for young kids, especially babies. I know that stores wanted it from a commercial standpoint (people buy more clothes if they need different clothes for a son or daughter). The color restriction is what annoys me the most (red and yellow for girls and blue or green for boys), but I still don’t understand why boys can’t wear frills, glitter, or skirts and girls can’t wear monster truck or superhero things. Most toddler’s I know go through a construction vehicle phase no matter the gender. Just all makes no sense to me.
Jeremiah
Arbitrary and outdated Societal expectations and the like.
Regret
I strongly agree with your side note. If kids care about it you can give them the colour / pattern / style that they want. If they don’t care, then neither should the parent. I’m reminded of the “is this kids toy for boys or girls?” flowchart where the question is “is this toy operated with the genitals?” And the two possible answers are “No – This is for all kids” and “Yes – This is not a kids toy”, we can apply the same to kids clothing. The only thing that matters is if it fits the kid’s body.
Leorale
Nonbinary parent here, I have opinions on gendered baby/kids’ clothes. My 1y.o. does not care what he wears and would be delighted to crawl around naked, eating sand.
Babies used to all wear dresses (easy diaper changes, plus if you needed them to stay put you could tie ’em to things).
It’s entirely modern marketing so that you’ll buy more clothes. Plus people think that gender roles are cute, imagining the little kid as an outdated grownup based on the one bit of info you have. It’s legit hard to find clothes in bright colors that aren’t pink/blue (tho I really like primary.com).
The three baby genders are apparently frilly pink, butch blue, and dull pale grey.
zee
I think we should go back to putting babies in dresses. Tiny tuxedos for events are cute tho
Plain Marie
That’s why we leaned heavily into green and purple when the kiddo was young. But since baby days, they’ve gone through multiple preferences, red, stripey things, mucho pink, black, what i call “neutral boy band”, and navy and dusty pink, dusty blues. Nothing i could have predicted, none of “my” colors. Ha.
Kimi
They should really make clothes of all colors. Not everyone’s skin tone goes with the typical colors. My niece’s skin tone with her blue eyes goes well with green, grey or blue, but does not look good in orange.
Adept
Gendering toddlers is parents trying to stuff them into their preferred boxes.
ThomasQuinn
Did you know that up to roughly 1914, it was common in the western world for boys to wear skirts until they were about 5? And that as late as the 1940s, pink was considered a color for boys, and light blue for girls? These kinds of societal constructs are not as old or unchanging as people often think.
Opus the Poet
Pink for girls is a relatively new thing, from the late 1940s. After winning the war on the homefront, the Rosie the Riveter working ladies wer fed up to death with wearing blue coveralls, and basically self-selected pink as the new preferred presenting-female color. Up to that point pink was the manly color, so much so that the color for the leading cyclist in the Giro d’ Italia is pink.
Kimi
I believe that it was considered manly due to red being a “blood” color. Blue was considered a color of “purity”.
Li
Specifically it was (and still is) strongly associated with the Virgin Mary.
Pink being for boys makes a lot more sense when you realize how unusual it is for a paler shade of a primary color to get its own super common color word. Like if you break out the Crayolas, sure, light green has its own color word, but it still isn’t a completely separate color the way Pink is.
Bittersweet
Some kids care very much about it no matter how hard you try to avoid it. My daughter refused to wear yellow and blue clothes even as an infant that couldn’t roll over. Idk what possibly got into her head that little, but she’s been glitter and sparkles her entire life. Despises pants with a passion. My husband and I certainly didn’t conform at that period of her life (I was exploring my gender and presenting as male, I think I might be closer to bigender but have no clue and given the current situation in Texas have decided to just… pause that for a bit. My husband has beautiful long hair, which isn’t effeminate in itself but most dudes here are shaved near bald, so I think it counts as nonconforming.)
As much as I wish she would wear jeans or get over the “that’s a boy thing” phase to make my life easier, she knows what makes her comfortable. She’s a baby pastel goth, that’s what she’s chosen as her style since I let her decide her clothes since she could walk lol.
Amelie Wikström
It’s true, autistic people are good at questioning social norms that are typically used to exclude us from everything, and there’s much overlap with gender nonconformism.
Though if you want to be paranoid we’re also good at faking indifference. A common strategy when you grow up not understanding your feelings is developing the belief they don’t exist. Me, I took 35 years to figure out I was trans cause I preferred to ignore everything my heart and my body was telling me, and that only worked for so long. If Dina’s “unconcerned” attitude to gender and sexuality was similarly powered by denial, it would fit.
Dana W
I’m autistic, and I have to admit I am not as concerned with gender presentation. I can’t do performative gender at all. My concern has always been physical gender. To put it simply, to be the “right” thing stark naked. Its always been about the physiological aspect to me. Its an issue of “the correct plumbing” not about whether I can wear “pretty clothes” or act a certain way in society. This has always put me at odds with the current definition of “transgender”. Its why I still say transsexual instead of transgeder, in my case anyway as sex is much more important to me than gender roles or prsentation.
Kimi
I think that I also differentiate in between transsexual and transgender in my mind. I am not sure that I knew the terms for it, but one is a frustration with biology while the other is a frustration with societal norms, if that makes sense.
RassilonTDavros
She’s trying to assuage Becky’s fear of one day not being a lesbian.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2024/comic/book-14/04-for-me-it-was-tuesday/toohonest/
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2024/comic/book-15/02-the-one-where-jocelyne-returns/hrt/
(no html tonight, i’m not fit to operate heavy machinery)
Doopyboop
It’s possible! I was pondering on it and many of the clothes we’ve seen Dina wear up to this point don’t exactly read as feminine nor masculine and are instead rather neutral androgynous sort of clothes. At the same time, outside of specific instances with her dinosaur hoodie, I think Dina primarily dresses for comfort rather than style. I could see her as a comfortable she/they non-binary (much like myself, as I also dress in a neutral style rather than directly masc or femme). We’ll have to see how it goes, though.
Doopyboop
Also I wanna take this time to remember the time there was some discourse in the comments about Dina looking younger than her age and one of the things a commenter told me was that she “dresses like she’s a kid” which was annoying and upsetting. How exactly does she dress like a kid, just because she’s not wearing daisy dukes and showing off her breasts?
Yumi
If she did go for a more masc look, she might end up being read as even younger… a person once asked my mom, “Is he older than seven?” about me when I was a fully grown adult– she wasn’t that close to us, and probably was open to giving my mom some wiggle room in saying what my age was, but again. Adult. (I had shaved my head a couple months previously, and the super short hair was getting me he/him/sir-ed A LOT.)
Needfuldoer
She’s petite in general, and her hat takes off another 5 to 7 years.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-4/01-the-only-dope-for-me-is-you/rapport/
Doopyboop
I am on my knees, begging and pleading for people in the comments to not insist that a woman being petite means she is a child or childish and should therefore be seen as ‘a child’.
Needfuldoer
Where did I say that?
Doopyboop
My question was “how exactly does she dress like a kid” and your answer was “she’s petite in general”. How is that NOT you saying “she’s petite so she looks like a kid”.
eh, whatever
“looks like a kid” does not mean “is a child or childish”, and does not mean “should […] be seen as ‘a child'” (emphasis mine).
Doopyboop
I’ll admit that some of my comment was also speaking generally because in the past I have had people try to argue to me that because Dina wears dinosaur hats, eats cereal, and doesn’t wear form fitting clothing, along with being short, she’s “clearly” going to be seen as younger than she is and therefore shouldn’t be annoyed about being referred to as if she was a child.
eh, whatever
You didn’t, it’s preemptive.
Doopyboop
Also, I am forever gonna be on the side that ‘Dina wearing a cute dino hat that gives her joy doesn’t mean she’s dressing like a child or otherwise imply she’s being childish, she’s 19 fucking years old for God’s sake, let people have a bit of whimsy’.
Mark
There’s a difference between “dressing like a child” and “being childish”. “When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” — C. S. Lewis [speaking of reading fantasy, but it applies broadly]
I suspect that Dina has learned from unhappy experience that conforming to others’ expectations doesn’t buy her anything she values. She may be the most mature member of the cast. But you have to know her to discover that.
Doopyboop
I like that quote.
Opus the Poet
I used to go to a campout every year for several years that did not allow pants on either gender so I got a couple of nice skirts to wear there, my favorite being a red number with blue hibiscus flowers printed on it. I wore it topless with a generous coat of sunblock rubbed into my fur. As I have gotten older my body hair has thinned out considerably so that you can actually see skin on my chest now, and just barely on my back. And yes I have been mistaken for a juvenile Squatch at times.
Freemage
More likely, she’s gender non-conforming, honestly, at least as portrayed so far. She simply feels no particular attachment to ‘feminine’ or ‘masculine’ performance; she does what she likes, including indulging her fascination with dinosaurs, children’s cereal, and Becky.
Tobias
I get the feeling that she doesn’t care enough about gender roles and expectations to be non-binary. There’s no evidence of any perceived discomfort with “being a woman” but she also seems like the type who would identify herself as whatever makes the most functional sense for a given situation and environment.
NGPZ
I mean tbf being gender-apathetic means non-conformity to established gender-binary and thus still goes under the non-binary umbrella
Regret
As someone who is gender-apathetic I’m equally happy with being considered non-binary versus being considered outside of the gender spectrum. It has a vague academic interest since which it is helps shape my view of what the gender categories mean, but personally I am not affected either way.
Nicoleandmaggie
Same. I only know I’m a-gender because my kids told me I was and I looked it up and was like yep that seems right.
BBCC
She shall achieve an even butcher form!
Jeremiah
This, is super butch 2.
NGPZ
*plays “Puttin’ On The Ritz” by Taco on hacked muzak*
Dana
I prefer this version, though they’ve kind of made it anachronistic for the time period by not using the most racist version of the lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RISDJO_w9h4
Dana
Ugh, pasted the wrong clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO9axGrzDE0
Needfuldoer
Obligatory link to the Gene Wilder / Peter Boyle version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab7NyKw0VYQ
Axel
the only one I acknowledge
Taffy
There’s a racist version? I wasn’t aware.
Rose by Any other Name