Baby, look at me and tell me what you see
You ain’t seen the worst of me yet
Give me time, I’ll make you forget the rest
I got more in me and you can set it free
I can crush the mood in my hand
Don’t you know who I am?
Remember I’m lame
I’m gonna cringe forever
I’d like to curl up and die
(Die)
I feel it coming unravelled
People will laugh while I cry
Embarrassment on a new level
Light up my face like a flame
(Shame)
I’m gonna cringe forever
Baby, remember I’m lame
What’s kind of characters are they: “L̷̛͙̲̥͝O̷̧͉̲̖̪͐̑O̴͎̮̫̰͓̾͝K̶͎̽̚̚ ̷̰̗̅͝͠A̶̧͉̔͗͌̑̚T̵͎̲̠̞͝ ̴̘̯̈D̵̺̊̉̅I̸̹̦̚N̵͈̺͗͗̍̉Ą̸̦̈́̉̾”?
Where I can set into my computer?
Finally I could find someone that can use this characters…
Very much a case of implementing something without considering how it will be abused. Not LingoJam, but the character encoding for the glyphs to spam outside of the root glyphs base. I wonder how bad it will get, before có̷̩̜̗̩͈͈̮͈̣̹̭̣̘̠̘̽̏̓͑̿̅͊̎̍͂̈́̚ͅuntermeasures are created.
f̷̥͖̝̍͊͐͆͂̎̓̀͠i̶͎̲̘̠̬̜͈̘̫̜͎̿̈́̀͂̅̓̈́͛͋̕n̸̤̝̩̯̩͌̃̃͛̚ä̶̧̧̢͇̲̫̳̺̫͙͚̬́̐̓̉̀̑̕ľ̷̯̲̖̲̬̜͖̑̈́̚͜ľ̸̢̛̰̜̯̳̟̱͎̻̱̈̓̈̓̽̊̐́͗͠ͅỷ̴̢͉̬͑̅͘͜, thank you. It will be useful for some… projects.
Climbing Joe is probably pretty fun though. Not in a sexual way (although the ladies might say otherwise) but as in if I was like four foot nothing and was regularly outsized by children physically climbing a six foot plus muscle dude seems entertaining. You could pretend to be a monkey!
Speaking as an ace person, I think Dina would be a good person for Joe to discuss his problem with. I don’t know if it’s just me but I tend to view sex in a more abstract way, and Joe would benefit from unpacking what happened with someone who won’t take a moral stance on it.
It’s like . . . skydiving. I have no interest in going skydiving. I potentially might try it if there’s someone I care about who wishes to share that experience, but I’m fine with never going skydiving otherwise. If other people want to go skydiving, I’m not gonna judge them for it; as long as they’re not trying to shove someone out of a plane and everyone’s enjoying themselves, have fun. And the concept of someone having a weird moral stance on skydiving that they think should be used to prevent other people from going skydiving is just absurd.
Or the idea that if a person ever wants to go skydiving, sometimes with a specific person but sometimes just in general, this is bad and will inevitably end up hurting the person they want to go skydiving with specifically.
Okay, the metaphor falls apart there. But I definitely think in some ways, Dina would be helpful to Joe by saying ‘my girlfriend feels sexual attraction differently than I do, because she will sometimes look at a person and want to have sex with them, whereas I generally don’t. She does not care less for me because she experiences sexual attraction towards people who are not me, and I am not better at her for experiencing sexual attraction only to someone I care about. I trust her not to hurt me because she is sexually attracted to another person, because she chooses not to act on that.’ He could use someone to point out that the issue isn’t being sexually attracted to people other than your partner, it’s the decision to act on that attraction, and him having a sex drive doesn’t doom him to be his father.
And I think Joe, in turn, might be a good resource for the ‘fundies, especially fundies who were raised as girls, tend to have a lot of shame about wanting to have sex’ thing, since he’s seen it several times now, he’s a pretty good reader of people all told and does care a lot more than Sarah or Amber force themselves not to, and he doesn’t have the same stake in this that Joyce or Dorothy would. Dina knows Becky isn’t ready to have sex even if she is attracted to Dina, but I don’t think Dina can totally get JUST HOW BADLY Joyce and Becky’s upbringing hurt them, and how hard it is to defuse some of the more insidious bullshit. (Partly because much like Dorothy, Dina’s a fairly well-adjusted atheist with good parents who never internalized the Local Christian Bullshit, partly because as an ace who’s clearly neurodivergent, Dina seems not to have internalized the American cultural shame about women having sex drives, either.)
Regalli
Ack, that one could use proofreading.
thebingelord
Nah, it’s a really good point decently delivered. It’s not like we’re writing dissertations here 😀
I am told I am a good person to talk about relationship and emotion-stuff with and I assume it’s because, as an Autistic person I spent years researching how to communicate effectively and maintain relationships (my interest is people so I hoard psychology/linguistics/sociological books).
Plus I find my ND friends tend to be less assumptive/more open/ask nonjudgemental clarification questions than NT friends which is good when emotions are happening.
“Interest” has two senses, each with a different negation. Disinterest is not at all the same as uninterest. For example, we want legislators to be disinterested but not uninterested.
Nicely spotted, except “99” lb altogether too precise a figure for a species known from a single jaw XD
100 lb makes more sense.
(based on the wikipedia entry, Gregory S. Paul estimated atrociraptor’s weight at 15kg, which does convert to 33 lb, but you realise the fact that Paul landed on a multiple of 5 kg (~10 lb) is not coincidental, they most likely judged that they couldn’t narrow it down to a smaller interval. The same margin of error should be applied, and not doubt is applied by Dina, in the imperial conversion)
well, but the rounding itself is meaningful, innit? it conveys information about the degree of accuracy represented by the estimate. like, 15kg and 15.000kg are in some sense “the same number” but each implies a very different level of precision. It would be a bit goofy for a paleontologist to claim that Atrociraptor weighed “33 lb”. Like, a) there’s definitely enough variation within the species that such a level of precision is not relevant, and b) even going on that one individual specimen, you can’t possibly give this granular an estimate not knowing what the rest of the skeleton looked like, let alone the amount of fat, feathers etc.
I’m sure I didn’t get your point if I’m explaining this to you though :embarrassed:
Anyway, I went and checked the Wikipedia source (“The Princeton Field Guide To Dinosaurs”) via google books, and lo! here’s what it says exactly (p. 151):
Atrociraptor marshalli 2 m (6 ft) TL, 15 kg (30 lb)
…So going by that, and assuming this is the book Dina is basing her calculation on, she might, in fact, weigh just 90 lb. (disclaimer because this is starting to feel creepy, i do not care AT ALL how much Dina weighs. This is just a fun geeky discussion about paleontology stuff.)
thejeff
Though if I recall correctly, she did say “roughly”.
I suspect what’s going on in that listing is that they’re rounding both the kilos and the pounds separately – and possibly to different precisions. Kilos to 5 and punds to 10, which would make some sense because it’s roughly the same variance. Rounding both to the nearest 5 would imply the measurement in pounds was more accurate.
Assuming essentially a range of 25-35 lbs, then both suggestions for Dina’s weight are within the possible range of 3 atrociraptors.
Clif
I tend to suspect that rather than rather than worry about variance, the author doubled the kilograms and, since it was an estimate anyway, left it at a nice round number. Since the actual factor is 2.2 pounds per kilogram to the nearest hundredth, and assuming that kilograms were primary, as is usual in scientific work, the actual variance is a bit larger, from 27.5 pounds to 38.5 pounds . But 30 pounds is towards the edge of the interval and 33 pounds is the center. Assuming the actual weight is represented by a uniform distribution in the interval, 99 pounds is much more likely to be a better estimate of the actual weight than 90 is. If we assume a normal distribution with cutoff, then 99 pounds becomes even more likely.
This fits in with my assumption that Joe is lowballing her weight for effect, but as thejeff points out, he might still be right.
haha now you ninja’d me after I spent an hour looking for sources for Atrociraptor. Anyway, i’m copy-pasting anyway, because i’m not letting this good (fruitless) work go to waste, although i essentially arrive at the same conclusion via a different logic.
So, scientific (incl. paleontology) papers normally use S.I. units, so the original figure is likely to be 15 kilograms. So i’d say the 30 lb figure is secondary, and is derived from the 15 kg figure.
So 15 kg ± 2.5 kg = 33 lb ± 5.5 lb
But even if Dina is aware of this margin of uncertainty and factors it in, and even though she does say “roughly”, this ends up translating to a weight of between 83 and 116 lb, which starts to be a nonsensically larger bracket for a human.
I think she meant to say she was about 90 lb, and the “roughness” of that figure doesn’t have to do with how wide a net she’s casting around her own weight but rather is meant as a hedge about how much Atrociraptors actually weighed, because who the hell really knows, and also, intraspecific variation.
(caveat: i haven’t been able to track down a source for the 15 kg figure besides the Princeton Guide itself (i thought it might’ve been from the 2004 species description paper but nope) so maybe it was produced by the author of that book (G. S. Paul) for the purpose of a nice consistent list, so who even knows)
That reminds me of a pet peeve of mine when I was in the military. We would be getting a lecture on something, and give us the specs on some item to a decimal place, when it was pretty obvious that the number was just hard converted from an imperial value, so instead of having to memorize something like 5 to 20 (whatever units), it would be 1.52 to 6.10 or something equally silly.
Steve Jobs may have been a jerk a lot of the time, but surely he was the lesser of two evils between him and Bill Gates?
Needfuldoer
I’d say Bill Gates was the more shrewd businessman. Jobs was more of an ideas guy and pitchman.
Clif
Bill Gates funded the research that showed how to hack the photosynthesis process to be hella more efficient which is going to wind up feeding a ton of people, so he gets a large indulgence in my book.
126 thoughts on “Ritualistic”
Ana Chronistic
Dina: best person for Joe to run into first this morning of shame
Doctor_Who
Best person for anyone to run into ever, you mean.
Clif
See, i originally read that as best person to run into this first morning of shame.
Decidedly Orthogonal
People don’t run into Dina. They go looking, but when they think they’ve found her, the attack comes from the sides.
JBento
What a clever girl!
Spencer
It’s Shame! was my favourite entry in the Walkyverse.
Rainhat
I liked the Western AU, Come Back, Shame!
hastur
Baby, look at me and tell me what you see
You ain’t seen the worst of me yet
Give me time, I’ll make you forget the rest
I got more in me and you can set it free
I can crush the mood in my hand
Don’t you know who I am?
Remember I’m lame
I’m gonna cringe forever
I’d like to curl up and die
(Die)
I feel it coming unravelled
People will laugh while I cry
Embarrassment on a new level
Light up my face like a flame
(Shame)
I’m gonna cringe forever
Baby, remember I’m lame
JBento
+1
Sirksome
90lbs but it’s a tough 90lbs.
Rose by Any Other Name
I mean, that can’t be good for Joe’s back.
Doctor_Who
His abs are basically getting in some free crunches, though.
Sirksome
As far as we know Joe didn’t get a workout in today so Dina probably did him a favor.
MrSmith
Naah the weight is pulling his chest forward so its his lower back taking the strain
The Wellerman
About 9 pounds more than that, actually.
Thag Simmons
Dina Awareness Week Continues
Robbie
I am always aware of Dina
misanthropope
dude, she’s standing right behind you.
Stephen Bierce
Shame on me…Shame on you
Shame on every little thing…that we do–The Motels
auroki
New favorite Dina Moment
Schpoonman
Is that Carl photoshopped onto Alucard?
John
I think it’s straight up dracula actually
bemisawa
I think Schpoonman’s right, actually. Look at this reference image for Dracula:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/castlevania/images/5/51/DracSymph.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20200703143712
versus for Carl:
https://external-preview.redd.it/YFbzxX_fjB3Myvq-BeH65NlUhNDzaNhOSTB04cP9d6c.png?auto=webp&s=fe2a184ad8b9e07acd850d5b9132025b7c04e198
The thing that made me just about certain is the dent in his nose, right in line with his eyes.
Spencer
Specifically, it is Dracula from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, with Carl’s face on it.
Alucard is Dracula’s son and game’s protagonist and he wears a completely different set of impossibly fancy goth clothes.
Kitschensyngk
look at Dina
LOOK AT DINA
L̷̛͙̲̥͝O̷̧͉̲̖̪͐̑O̴͎̮̫̰͓̾͝K̶͎̽̚̚ ̷̰̗̅͝͠A̶̧͉̔͗͌̑̚T̵͎̲̠̞͝ ̴̘̯̈D̵̺̊̉̅I̸̹̦̚N̵͈̺͗͗̍̉Ą̸̦̈́̉̾
The Wellerman
I’m looking! I’m looking!
Am I doing it right though? I can’t tell.
Amós Batista
What’s kind of characters are they: “L̷̛͙̲̥͝O̷̧͉̲̖̪͐̑O̴͎̮̫̰͓̾͝K̶͎̽̚̚ ̷̰̗̅͝͠A̶̧͉̔͗͌̑̚T̵͎̲̠̞͝ ̴̘̯̈D̵̺̊̉̅I̸̹̦̚N̵͈̺͗͗̍̉Ą̸̦̈́̉̾”?
Where I can set into my computer?
Finally I could find someone that can use this characters…
The Wellerman
This should be just about what you’re looking for:
https://lingojam.com/GlitchTextGenerator
Decidedly Orthogonal
Very much a case of implementing something without considering how it will be abused. Not LingoJam, but the character encoding for the glyphs to spam outside of the root glyphs base. I wonder how bad it will get, before có̷̩̜̗̩͈͈̮͈̣̹̭̣̘̠̘̽̏̓͑̿̅͊̎̍͂̈́̚ͅuntermeasures are created.
Decidedly Orthogonal
*diac̴̺̜̹̳͂͛̀͂͑̐̑̏̌̓͛͑̌̑͊̉͐̎ͅͅritics
milu
huh. i always thought it was just a cool glitch that had no use outside of memetics. what sort of abuse are we talking about?
Amós Batista
f̷̥͖̝̍͊͐͆͂̎̓̀͠i̶͎̲̘̠̬̜͈̘̫̜͎̿̈́̀͂̅̓̈́͛͋̕n̸̤̝̩̯̩͌̃̃͛̚ä̶̧̧̢͇̲̫̳̺̫͙͚̬́̐̓̉̀̑̕ľ̷̯̲̖̲̬̜͖̑̈́̚͜ľ̸̢̛̰̜̯̳̟̱͎̻̱̈̓̈̓̽̊̐́͗͠ͅỷ̴̢͉̬͑̅͘͜, thank you. It will be useful for some… projects.
Sirksome
Climbing Joe is probably pretty fun though. Not in a sexual way (although the ladies might say otherwise) but as in if I was like four foot nothing and was regularly outsized by children physically climbing a six foot plus muscle dude seems entertaining. You could pretend to be a monkey!
The Wellerman
Yeah!
It’d be like that one episode of Spongebob where a bunch of kids were climbing on Mr. Krabs dressed as a chicken LOL!!!
PirateTawnee
Tai climbing Bubbles in QC springs to mind.
Deanatay
hup!
BBCC
Joe, you confide in Dina right now, I am loving this friendship.
BBCC
‘Eyyyy! National treasure <3
Sambo
All this effort, yet there is not a single panel in which they make eye contact.
Keulen
It looks like they might have been making eye contact in the first panel to me.
ADLegend21
I really dig this dynamic. I feel like Dina could be a good presence in Joe’s life tbh.
Mollyscribbles
Speaking as an ace person, I think Dina would be a good person for Joe to discuss his problem with. I don’t know if it’s just me but I tend to view sex in a more abstract way, and Joe would benefit from unpacking what happened with someone who won’t take a moral stance on it.
It’s like . . . skydiving. I have no interest in going skydiving. I potentially might try it if there’s someone I care about who wishes to share that experience, but I’m fine with never going skydiving otherwise. If other people want to go skydiving, I’m not gonna judge them for it; as long as they’re not trying to shove someone out of a plane and everyone’s enjoying themselves, have fun. And the concept of someone having a weird moral stance on skydiving that they think should be used to prevent other people from going skydiving is just absurd.
. . . I think the metaphor got away from me.
Regalli
Or the idea that if a person ever wants to go skydiving, sometimes with a specific person but sometimes just in general, this is bad and will inevitably end up hurting the person they want to go skydiving with specifically.
Okay, the metaphor falls apart there. But I definitely think in some ways, Dina would be helpful to Joe by saying ‘my girlfriend feels sexual attraction differently than I do, because she will sometimes look at a person and want to have sex with them, whereas I generally don’t. She does not care less for me because she experiences sexual attraction towards people who are not me, and I am not better at her for experiencing sexual attraction only to someone I care about. I trust her not to hurt me because she is sexually attracted to another person, because she chooses not to act on that.’ He could use someone to point out that the issue isn’t being sexually attracted to people other than your partner, it’s the decision to act on that attraction, and him having a sex drive doesn’t doom him to be his father.
And I think Joe, in turn, might be a good resource for the ‘fundies, especially fundies who were raised as girls, tend to have a lot of shame about wanting to have sex’ thing, since he’s seen it several times now, he’s a pretty good reader of people all told and does care a lot more than Sarah or Amber force themselves not to, and he doesn’t have the same stake in this that Joyce or Dorothy would. Dina knows Becky isn’t ready to have sex even if she is attracted to Dina, but I don’t think Dina can totally get JUST HOW BADLY Joyce and Becky’s upbringing hurt them, and how hard it is to defuse some of the more insidious bullshit. (Partly because much like Dorothy, Dina’s a fairly well-adjusted atheist with good parents who never internalized the Local Christian Bullshit, partly because as an ace who’s clearly neurodivergent, Dina seems not to have internalized the American cultural shame about women having sex drives, either.)
Regalli
Ack, that one could use proofreading.
thebingelord
Nah, it’s a really good point decently delivered. It’s not like we’re writing dissertations here 😀
Ailorn
I think it held up to the end. Good job 🙂
v.gay.person
I am told I am a good person to talk about relationship and emotion-stuff with and I assume it’s because, as an Autistic person I spent years researching how to communicate effectively and maintain relationships (my interest is people so I hoard psychology/linguistics/sociological books).
Plus I find my ND friends tend to be less assumptive/more open/ask nonjudgemental clarification questions than NT friends which is good when emotions are happening.
Agemegos
“Interest” has two senses, each with a different negation. Disinterest is not at all the same as uninterest. For example, we want legislators to be disinterested but not uninterested.
Isn’t that interesting?
The Wellerman
Actually Joe, it’s roughly 99 pounds:
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/04-it-all-returns/superglue/
But you were close though!!!
milu
Nicely spotted, except “99” lb altogether too precise a figure for a species known from a single jaw XD
100 lb makes more sense.
(based on the wikipedia entry, Gregory S. Paul estimated atrociraptor’s weight at 15kg, which does convert to 33 lb, but you realise the fact that Paul landed on a multiple of 5 kg (~10 lb) is not coincidental, they most likely judged that they couldn’t narrow it down to a smaller interval. The same margin of error should be applied, and not doubt is applied by Dina, in the imperial conversion)
The Wellerman
Oh, silly me! ? what was I thinking?
considering my training I really should know thisNeedfuldoer
I just assume it’s always good ol’ rounding leaving us all these nice easy-to-handle numbers.
milu
well, but the rounding itself is meaningful, innit? it conveys information about the degree of accuracy represented by the estimate. like, 15kg and 15.000kg are in some sense “the same number” but each implies a very different level of precision. It would be a bit goofy for a paleontologist to claim that Atrociraptor weighed “33 lb”. Like, a) there’s definitely enough variation within the species that such a level of precision is not relevant, and b) even going on that one individual specimen, you can’t possibly give this granular an estimate not knowing what the rest of the skeleton looked like, let alone the amount of fat, feathers etc.
I’m sure I didn’t get your point if I’m explaining this to you though :embarrassed:
Anyway, I went and checked the Wikipedia source (“The Princeton Field Guide To Dinosaurs”) via google books, and lo!
here’s what it says exactly (p. 151):
Atrociraptor marshalli
2 m (6 ft) TL, 15 kg (30 lb)
…So going by that, and assuming this is the book Dina is basing her calculation on, she might, in fact, weigh just 90 lb. (disclaimer because this is starting to feel creepy, i do not care AT ALL how much Dina weighs. This is just a fun geeky discussion about paleontology stuff.)
thejeff
Though if I recall correctly, she did say “roughly”.
I suspect what’s going on in that listing is that they’re rounding both the kilos and the pounds separately – and possibly to different precisions. Kilos to 5 and punds to 10, which would make some sense because it’s roughly the same variance. Rounding both to the nearest 5 would imply the measurement in pounds was more accurate.
Assuming essentially a range of 25-35 lbs, then both suggestions for Dina’s weight are within the possible range of 3 atrociraptors.
Clif
I tend to suspect that rather than rather than worry about variance, the author doubled the kilograms and, since it was an estimate anyway, left it at a nice round number. Since the actual factor is 2.2 pounds per kilogram to the nearest hundredth, and assuming that kilograms were primary, as is usual in scientific work, the actual variance is a bit larger, from 27.5 pounds to 38.5 pounds . But 30 pounds is towards the edge of the interval and 33 pounds is the center. Assuming the actual weight is represented by a uniform distribution in the interval, 99 pounds is much more likely to be a better estimate of the actual weight than 90 is. If we assume a normal distribution with cutoff, then 99 pounds becomes even more likely.
This fits in with my assumption that Joe is lowballing her weight for effect, but as thejeff points out, he might still be right.
milu
haha now you ninja’d me after I spent an hour looking for sources for Atrociraptor. Anyway, i’m copy-pasting anyway, because i’m not letting this good (fruitless) work go to waste, although i essentially arrive at the same conclusion via a different logic.
So, scientific (incl. paleontology) papers normally use S.I. units, so the original figure is likely to be 15 kilograms. So i’d say the 30 lb figure is secondary, and is derived from the 15 kg figure.
So 15 kg ± 2.5 kg = 33 lb ± 5.5 lb
But even if Dina is aware of this margin of uncertainty and factors it in, and even though she does say “roughly”, this ends up translating to a weight of between 83 and 116 lb, which starts to be a nonsensically larger bracket for a human.
I think she meant to say she was about 90 lb, and the “roughness” of that figure doesn’t have to do with how wide a net she’s casting around her own weight but rather is meant as a hedge about how much Atrociraptors actually weighed, because who the hell really knows, and also, intraspecific variation.
(caveat: i haven’t been able to track down a source for the 15 kg figure besides the Princeton Guide itself (i thought it might’ve been from the 2004 species description paper but nope) so maybe it was produced by the author of that book (G. S. Paul) for the purpose of a nice consistent list, so who even knows)
milu
NO she meant to say she was about 100 pounds.
sorry! got myself all confused with all them numbers.
See @Clif, THIS is the real reason i don’t nerd out about math.
BECAUSE I SUCK AT IT
milu
actually wait. did she mean 90? did she mean 100? i don’t even know now. i got absorbed in the minutiae and lost sight of the big picture!!!
So i guess: either she counts in S.I. units in her head (possible) and she most likely weighs about 100 lbs.
Or even she doesn’t care THAT much— and if her source is that Princeton Guide, then she’s most likely 90 lbs.
WE’LL NEVER KNOW probably
Clif
AKA the best discussion.
Well, no. Fun geeky discussions about math stuff is better. But close.
Clif
This was intended as a reply to milu, but I was ninja’d by thejeff.
milu
eh, I won’t follow you into deep math geekery because i have a limit on how much abstraction will hold my attention apparently ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Roborat
That reminds me of a pet peeve of mine when I was in the military. We would be getting a lecture on something, and give us the specs on some item to a decimal place, when it was pretty obvious that the number was just hard converted from an imperial value, so instead of having to memorize something like 5 to 20 (whatever units), it would be 1.52 to 6.10 or something equally silly.
Josh Spicer
Good, Job. Let the guilt and shame flow through you.
Also please make eye contact. Neither of you are social beings by nature, but that alone seems to be enough to help the one who who needs help here.
Josh Spicer
I mean, I guess Job can let the guilt and shame flow through him too, but I meant specifically Joe in this case.
The Wellerman
Steve Jobs may have been a jerk a lot of the time, but surely he was the lesser of two evils between him and Bill Gates?
Needfuldoer
I’d say Bill Gates was the more shrewd businessman. Jobs was more of an ideas guy and pitchman.
Clif
Bill Gates funded the research that showed how to hack the photosynthesis process to be hella more efficient which is going to wind up feeding a ton of people, so he gets a large indulgence in my book.
Spencer
My boy is extremely not okay.
plasticwrap
Do you think sometimes Willis forgets which characters he gave beady eyes and which characters he gave eyes with whites?
Needfuldoer