how big are their rooms that she has distance to SKIP to the next one
also be sure to mention that Dotty and you used to be a thing before Joyce can, Walky, maybe try to disarm the bombs BEFOREHAND after striking out on two
(ok Sal isn’t really a BOMB but he DID miss the chance to mention the twin thing first)
The rooms are big enough to allow for some fairly elaborate scene staging when we see the insides. The outer walls are however long they need to be for this joke to work.
You may be wondering how Joyce was able to pass standardized science tests with questions about things like evolution despite being taught by Carol.
In fact, Joyce got every answer right, she was just taught to WrItE LiKe ThIs so it would all come off as sarcastic. They can’t technically count that as wrong.
You joke but I’m given to understand “here’s what you need to tell the state to keep us out of trouble, understand that it’s all bullshit and don’t internalize it” is how most of these places work.
Yes, that’s exactly how they have been doing it for more than 30 years. My boss from back in the late ’80s homeschooled his daughters and I got to see their textbooks. I originally put “texts” but that word has acquired different meanings in the thirty-odd years since then.
Axel
I wrote a comment but accidentally closed the tab, so shorter version:
If the school/homeschooling program is a less extreme church/sect, they also don’t need to buy special textbooks, as they can just have their plentiful parent volunteers cut out the “unnecessary” pages from regular textbooks.
source: my husband’s catholic school science/bio books with reproduction removed.
Hazel
I was told by a high school teacher in Australia around 2009 that the super religious schools tell their students to write “It is said that-” (or something along those lines) for questions whose answers go against their belief. That way they can get the marks on the state tests without actually stating that like, evolution is real or something.
You are assuming that a homeschooler needs to pass true standardize tests. That may be the case in Indiana (I don’t know), but it is certainly not the case everywhere. For example in Florida there are a number of different ways that a student can be evaluated. Standardized tests are one, but those administered by school systems (actual standardized tests matching what public school students take) are generally discouraged by homeschooling groups – basically because the students tend not to do well, though this is attributed to unfamiliarity with the test format, not being “drilled to the test like public school students are”, or a variety of other excuses, rather than that they had an inadequate education. Instead, they can be evaluated by any certified teacher of the parent’s choice using whatever evaluation method that teacher chooses. This teacher could be retired and could be sympathetic to the parents particular educational choices, so allows the parents a lot of latitude in tailoring the evaluation. Another choice is a nationally normed test, but chosen by, given by, and evaluated by a test administrator chosen by the parents, with only the evaluation, not the raw scores submitted. Another choice is an evaluation by any licensed psychologist using whatever evaluation technique the psychologist chooses. Bottom line – for a few dollars the parents can get whatever sort of evaluation they want, and it will be considered good enough.
Indiana doesn’t require testing, or even notice to be given that a child is being homeschooled. Parents are told to keep records and such for things like what they are teaching but they only have to provide it if requested. States like Virginia, where I live, that do require testing often allow for any standardized test. Some are significantly easier than others, and students only have to pass by being in a minimum stanine (in VA it’s the 4th stanine). But the standardized tests are ones given to some schools, even the CAT tests. And in VA the required subjects are math and reading/language arts, so science isn’t even a tested thing. Evaluation by a certified teacher is also permitted but I honestly know very few people who use that route. Each state has varied requirements, with states like Texas being super lenient while states like Pennsylvania are super strict, but most are somewhere in between.
thejeff
On the other hand, there will need to be something to get into a respectable school like IU.
Doesn’t ‚her homeschooling was accredited‘ just mean that the group homeschooling them gave a school board or whoever a list of topics they would cover? This is really a language question, does someone’s homeschooling was accredited mean accrediting the program vs testing the individual who did it?
It’s not really clear what Joyce and Becky were taught in terms of science. They definitely seem aware of the basics of evolution – though in the warped form you see in attacks from creationists.
See this just convinces me a little bit more that Booster is probably majoring or studying psychology in some way. Who just drops “plural” terminology casually?
I understand what you’re saying and it’s very valid but that only convinces me more that Booster would study it to try and become the reliable source they maybe didn’t have in their own life. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking for me now though.
Wack'd
I mean, I do know at least one trans person with mental health issues who’s getting a psychology degree, so it’s certainly not impossible!
I didn’t mean to disprove your headcanon so much as point out that this kind of casual understanding is increasingly common among, for lack of a better term, Booster’s demographic. (Hell, it’s probable they’ve already met folks like Amber.)
Sirksome
Nah it’s fine. It’s not really a headcanon but just a theory since Booster has been show to be pretty perceptive on things in a way most people at least in the cast of DoA aren’t so it stands out, but you and others have noted and it very much is likely just a fact of Booster needing to be so as coping and communication requirements in the nb or lgbtq community at large. But if Booster is studying psychology I will take credit for the call!
Agreed. That’s my experience too. More than average of queers/trans people are neurotypical and/or have mental health issues (esp trauma) which also makes them more-than-average aware of mental conditions that are not their own. Because they have queer/trans friends and they are likely to have mental health issues as well…^^
I can say, from being a (lapsed) reader of this comments section (among other things), that a lotta folks are better on this issue than you might think.
Wack'd
…hey, has Cerberus been around lately?
clif
Shows up from time to time, but I think hangs out more in the patrons (day ahead) comment section. Our loss.
SillyGoose
Oh, that’s why. I’ve been missing Cerb’s comments.
Geneseepaws
Oh, heck, this SOOO much! Miss ‘em (Their POV, comments, perspective) sumthin awful.
StClair
Same, and I would very much like to see them return.
StClair
… barring that, I think their presence there should have been noted and advertised a lot earlier, as IMO it represents a significant “value add” to Patron status.
I don’t think that’s the issue. As someone who isn’t up on psychology, I for one am confused as to why Booster is saying “plural” as if this is an orientation or identity as opposed to a mental illness (which DID is, right…?). Incidentally, DID is also exceedingly rare, so it’s a little strange for Booster to just casually toss it about as if, “yeah, I knew several in my hometown.”
Eolirin
There’s a much finer line between orientation and identity and mental illness than you’d think. If you want a better sense of how this is being discussed in terms of the lived experiences of people, look up the peer movement.
But as a simple example, DID can be viewed either as an illness that needs treating, or it can be viewed as an adaptive response to trauma that’s perfectly fine to embrace as long as it can be navigated functionally.
Keep in mind that being LGBTQ+ has and in some places still is considered a mental illness too.
Alanari
I think the difference is in the navigating part. Identity usually doesn’t have the potential to be destructive in nature (not counting hatred etc by others cause that’s the environment not being able to deal with you, instead of you being unable to deal with life).
Generally, in my experience, most mental problems actually are a problem solely if they’re not properly navigated. Thing is, some of them are hard to manage. And some people don’t want to learn to manage them. Or even both.
Chris Phoenix
You seem to be saying DID is hard to navigate/manage. I know one plural person pretty well, and the plurality doesn’t seem to be a problem/destructive/hard to navigate for that person.
Alanari
No idea about did, actually. I know a few autistic people (including myself), some folks with borderline and /or ptsd. In general, it seems to depend on the severity and sometimes determination of the person. For example, I can manage my autism pretty well. I know people who can’t. Same for Borderline and ptsd, some fare well, some don’t, and it usually correlates to “how well can the person navigate their own mind”.
I haven’t met a plural person yet. For me, it just seems to be something that can mess with your social interactions pretty badly if not managed properly.
thejeff
Though identity can be pretty destructive without the medical procedures used to alleviate it. Dysphoria isn’t just the environment.
Alanari
Given that changing gender is not quite perfected yet and that fertility is lost during an op (and it’s possibly not 100% looking like a “born-with” genitalia), I’m not even sure an operation solves all those internal struggles.
I was referring to the “real world interface” though. Stuff like being able to manage school, work, money, etc. People with bad cases of mental problems can lose this ability.
Sylvi
DID is probably less rare than you think, and there are non-DID forms of plurality as well.
jothki
I can’t help but think of all the reports of sufferers of some forms of depression about having a voice in their head that criticizes them.
Miri
Intrusive thoughts? It was such a relief to learn that those are a thing and that it was just the depression aping me being a complete and utter bongo towards myself…
Evelyn
There’s a difference between DID and being plural, DID being a subset of plurality and a fairly small one at that even per the DSM. Given that Booster doesn’t know what flavor Amber is, “plural” is the correct word to use here.
Kella
Plural is the identity, DID or OSDD-1 are the mental health conditions that can cause plurality. Apparently it’s possible to be plural separate of trauma cause brains are weird sometimes? Plus, if DID/OSDD are successfully treated, it rarely results in one single personality at the end. It’s much more common to result in what’s called “functional multiplicity” which is essentially being plural but without trauma and amnesia making your life difficult all the time. So, lots of different reasons people identify as plural rather than talking about a diagnosis.
Also, DID isn’t rare. Current studies have it impacting 1-3% of the general population, and OSDD impacts up to 8%.
SuperFroakie82
There’s tulpamancy too, which is different but still in the general plural community I think? I’ve found it all really interesting to look into, brains are freakin wacky.
SuperFroakie82
Idk I’ve heard some mixed messages on how people with DID or OSDD feel about tulpamancy and I guess I haven’t really looked into the larger plural community too much so if I shouldn’t be bringing this into the same discussion I apologize.
Deanatay
I had to look that up – interesting. I may have had a tulpa when I was younger, or I may have just made up someone to talk to. I haven’t spoken to them in years, so maybe it was just the latter.
QuestionablyHuman
Yeah, same community, even though (like all communities) there are people who gatekeep. The most prevalent is basically “If you haven’t had trauma you’re not valid” which is really toxic.
Source: Me, Tulpamancer.
clif
I’m not really familiar with OSDD but my understanding was that the incidence of DID was about 0.1%, but about 4 times higher than that for psychiatric inpatients.
Kella
Nope, not according to current research.
We have DID and we know there are at least two other systems that regularly comment on this comic, even though only 6% of DID or OSDD systems are open about their plurality.
Recent research finds it is closer to about 2-3% i.e. about as prevalant as green eyes. It tends to be a fairly well-disguised condition so the number may even be higher than that.
Plural is not the term an average psych major would be using. People are more prone to clinical language if they’re studying the field.
That’s not to say they aren’t a psych major, they could be. But using plural indicates a familiarity with the community itself and the terms being used by the people in it, rather than just a familiarity with DID as a clinical disorder. Studying psych only really suggests the latter, not the former.
That’s what I was going to say. Booster sounds like they hang out on mental health Tumblr rather than someone who’s taken psych classes. That doesn’t preclude them also taking psych classes but it isn’t evidence of it. Mental health Tumblr and queer Tumblr have a lot of overlap so I would suspect that’s where they picked it up unless they were also researching their own mental issues or those of a loved one.
Yeah, you kids have it so much better than I did pre-internet. I was dealing with PTSD before anyone knew there was such a thing. I was also part of a group that got followed a lot better than some people in similar situations minus the military connection. The thing that got me was finding out Cold War military dependents had drug and alcohol abuse rates almost identical to combat veterans of the same era, and that they were orders of magnitude higher than the general population of the same age. That’s when the penny dropped for me that this was a stress reaction when PTSD was barely a diagnosis for adults, and kids were still believed to “get over” stuff like that.
Of course Booster doesn’t actually exist, so didn’t “drop” any terminology. Rather, Willis did. He could have done so because he did want to provide some clues/background for this new character. But it could be just that Willis knows the term and used it because it is less clinical, shorter, whatever – without it necessarily having any intent to say anything special about the character saying it.
Unlikely. Willis is pretty careful about characterization and word usage. They’ve never used “plural” before to describe Amber – not from her or any of the other characters.
I mean, sounds like something I would say if I had thought of it, just getting the general idea of “two separate minds in the same body” without necessarily having to specify a (possibly very wrong) term for the same. And I would’ve heard of it through a handful of movies like Identity rather than Tumblr or peers, so I wouldn’t be sure if anyone else knew what I even meant. But I am also fairly aware of being wrong like Joyce said, so it would be feeling out what’s acceptable phrasing.
We know she wasn’t allowed to watch Tangled or Frozen. They’re both generally standard “modern twist on a medieval fairy tale” Disney movies, so we can assume most of the others are off the table.
She’s also said she wasn’t allowed to watch Scooby-Doo, so probably half of the Hanna-Barbera catalog is out.
Honestly, with her gold in mental gymnastics I bet Carol could have found a way to disapprove of everything harder than Davey and Goliath or VeggieTales, even if it’s something she herself grew up with (or allowed her older children access to before she was further radicalized).
thejeff
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Disney movies Hank and Carol had grown up with were still okay.
165 thoughts on “Herselves”
Ana Chronistic
how big are their rooms that she has distance to SKIP to the next one
also be sure to mention that Dotty and you used to be a thing before Joyce can, Walky, maybe try to disarm the bombs BEFOREHAND after striking out on two
(ok Sal isn’t really a BOMB but he DID miss the chance to mention the twin thing first)
Opus the Poet
She’s just gotta go down to the other end of the hall for this, so prancing…
showler
Width of the room, width of the shared bathroom, width of the other room.
Wonderboy
She’s possibly one of those who skips more up and down rather than forward.
Agemegos
It was an easy ‘A’, then.
Devin
I guess so, if she kept skipping.
Demoted Oblivious
Although she’s picked up one ‘A’, going for the “Easy ‘A'” would probably still have Joyce panicking about pre-marital hankies-panky.
Deanatay
When I see ‘hanky-panky’ pluralized that way, I can’t help but translate it to ‘hanky-spanky’.
Of which I approve.
Wack'd
The rooms are big enough to allow for some fairly elaborate scene staging when we see the insides. The outer walls are however long they need to be for this joke to work.
clif
You also have to allow for space for all the secret passages.
Proto_Eevee
I’m guessing the room they’re going to is billie’s. So skipping is reasonable since she’s in a different place
thumb
Pff, you sound like somebody who failed at Prancing in school.
Ryek Hvek
♫“You should be pran-cing, yeah!”♫
Keith Curtis
Long enough for Carla to skate…
Doctor_Who
You may be wondering how Joyce was able to pass standardized science tests with questions about things like evolution despite being taught by Carol.
In fact, Joyce got every answer right, she was just taught to WrItE LiKe ThIs so it would all come off as sarcastic. They can’t technically count that as wrong.
Wack'd
You joke but I’m given to understand “here’s what you need to tell the state to keep us out of trouble, understand that it’s all bullshit and don’t internalize it” is how most of these places work.
Opus the Poet
Yes, that’s exactly how they have been doing it for more than 30 years. My boss from back in the late ’80s homeschooled his daughters and I got to see their textbooks. I originally put “texts” but that word has acquired different meanings in the thirty-odd years since then.
Axel
I wrote a comment but accidentally closed the tab, so shorter version:
If the school/homeschooling program is a less extreme church/sect, they also don’t need to buy special textbooks, as they can just have their plentiful parent volunteers cut out the “unnecessary” pages from regular textbooks.
source: my husband’s catholic school science/bio books with reproduction removed.
Hazel
I was told by a high school teacher in Australia around 2009 that the super religious schools tell their students to write “It is said that-” (or something along those lines) for questions whose answers go against their belief. That way they can get the marks on the state tests without actually stating that like, evolution is real or something.
Needfuldoer
I can only assume they also weaponize this surface-level “understanding” to reinforce their opinion that it’s all nonsense.
Otl1973
You are assuming that a homeschooler needs to pass true standardize tests. That may be the case in Indiana (I don’t know), but it is certainly not the case everywhere. For example in Florida there are a number of different ways that a student can be evaluated. Standardized tests are one, but those administered by school systems (actual standardized tests matching what public school students take) are generally discouraged by homeschooling groups – basically because the students tend not to do well, though this is attributed to unfamiliarity with the test format, not being “drilled to the test like public school students are”, or a variety of other excuses, rather than that they had an inadequate education. Instead, they can be evaluated by any certified teacher of the parent’s choice using whatever evaluation method that teacher chooses. This teacher could be retired and could be sympathetic to the parents particular educational choices, so allows the parents a lot of latitude in tailoring the evaluation. Another choice is a nationally normed test, but chosen by, given by, and evaluated by a test administrator chosen by the parents, with only the evaluation, not the raw scores submitted. Another choice is an evaluation by any licensed psychologist using whatever evaluation technique the psychologist chooses. Bottom line – for a few dollars the parents can get whatever sort of evaluation they want, and it will be considered good enough.
Bacs
Indiana doesn’t require testing, or even notice to be given that a child is being homeschooled. Parents are told to keep records and such for things like what they are teaching but they only have to provide it if requested. States like Virginia, where I live, that do require testing often allow for any standardized test. Some are significantly easier than others, and students only have to pass by being in a minimum stanine (in VA it’s the 4th stanine). But the standardized tests are ones given to some schools, even the CAT tests. And in VA the required subjects are math and reading/language arts, so science isn’t even a tested thing. Evaluation by a certified teacher is also permitted but I honestly know very few people who use that route. Each state has varied requirements, with states like Texas being super lenient while states like Pennsylvania are super strict, but most are somewhere in between.
thejeff
On the other hand, there will need to be something to get into a respectable school like IU.
CJ
Doesn’t ‚her homeschooling was accredited‘ just mean that the group homeschooling them gave a school board or whoever a list of topics they would cover? This is really a language question, does someone’s homeschooling was accredited mean accrediting the program vs testing the individual who did it?
thejeff
It’s not really clear what Joyce and Becky were taught in terms of science. They definitely seem aware of the basics of evolution – though in the warped form you see in attacks from creationists.
Sirksome
See this just convinces me a little bit more that Booster is probably majoring or studying psychology in some way. Who just drops “plural” terminology casually?
Wack'd
Statistically, most queer and/or neurotypical people under 30 I’ve encountered in the past five years.
Professionals can be kinda shitty (or just expensive) and folks’ve gotta spend a lot of time figuring out their brains themselves.
Sirksome
I understand what you’re saying and it’s very valid but that only convinces me more that Booster would study it to try and become the reliable source they maybe didn’t have in their own life. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking for me now though.
Wack'd
I mean, I do know at least one trans person with mental health issues who’s getting a psychology degree, so it’s certainly not impossible!
I didn’t mean to disprove your headcanon so much as point out that this kind of casual understanding is increasingly common among, for lack of a better term, Booster’s demographic. (Hell, it’s probable they’ve already met folks like Amber.)
Sirksome
Nah it’s fine. It’s not really a headcanon but just a theory since Booster has been show to be pretty perceptive on things in a way most people at least in the cast of DoA aren’t so it stands out, but you and others have noted and it very much is likely just a fact of Booster needing to be so as coping and communication requirements in the nb or lgbtq community at large. But if Booster is studying psychology I will take credit for the call!
Felian
Agreed. That’s my experience too. More than average of queers/trans people are neurotypical and/or have mental health issues (esp trauma) which also makes them more-than-average aware of mental conditions that are not their own. Because they have queer/trans friends and they are likely to have mental health issues as well…^^
tim gueguen
Most people probably don’t know that Dissociative Identity Disorder replaced Multiple Personality Disorder.
Wack'd
I can say, from being a (lapsed) reader of this comments section (among other things), that a lotta folks are better on this issue than you might think.
Wack'd
…hey, has Cerberus been around lately?
clif
Shows up from time to time, but I think hangs out more in the patrons (day ahead) comment section. Our loss.
SillyGoose
Oh, that’s why. I’ve been missing Cerb’s comments.
Geneseepaws
Oh, heck, this SOOO much! Miss ‘em (Their POV, comments, perspective) sumthin awful.
StClair
Same, and I would very much like to see them return.
StClair
… barring that, I think their presence there should have been noted and advertised a lot earlier, as IMO it represents a significant “value add” to Patron status.
regina phalange
I don’t think that’s the issue. As someone who isn’t up on psychology, I for one am confused as to why Booster is saying “plural” as if this is an orientation or identity as opposed to a mental illness (which DID is, right…?). Incidentally, DID is also exceedingly rare, so it’s a little strange for Booster to just casually toss it about as if, “yeah, I knew several in my hometown.”
Eolirin
There’s a much finer line between orientation and identity and mental illness than you’d think. If you want a better sense of how this is being discussed in terms of the lived experiences of people, look up the peer movement.
But as a simple example, DID can be viewed either as an illness that needs treating, or it can be viewed as an adaptive response to trauma that’s perfectly fine to embrace as long as it can be navigated functionally.
Keep in mind that being LGBTQ+ has and in some places still is considered a mental illness too.
Alanari
I think the difference is in the navigating part. Identity usually doesn’t have the potential to be destructive in nature (not counting hatred etc by others cause that’s the environment not being able to deal with you, instead of you being unable to deal with life).
Generally, in my experience, most mental problems actually are a problem solely if they’re not properly navigated. Thing is, some of them are hard to manage. And some people don’t want to learn to manage them. Or even both.
Chris Phoenix
You seem to be saying DID is hard to navigate/manage. I know one plural person pretty well, and the plurality doesn’t seem to be a problem/destructive/hard to navigate for that person.
Alanari
No idea about did, actually. I know a few autistic people (including myself), some folks with borderline and /or ptsd. In general, it seems to depend on the severity and sometimes determination of the person. For example, I can manage my autism pretty well. I know people who can’t. Same for Borderline and ptsd, some fare well, some don’t, and it usually correlates to “how well can the person navigate their own mind”.
I haven’t met a plural person yet. For me, it just seems to be something that can mess with your social interactions pretty badly if not managed properly.
thejeff
Though identity can be pretty destructive without the medical procedures used to alleviate it. Dysphoria isn’t just the environment.
Alanari
Given that changing gender is not quite perfected yet and that fertility is lost during an op (and it’s possibly not 100% looking like a “born-with” genitalia), I’m not even sure an operation solves all those internal struggles.
I was referring to the “real world interface” though. Stuff like being able to manage school, work, money, etc. People with bad cases of mental problems can lose this ability.
Sylvi
DID is probably less rare than you think, and there are non-DID forms of plurality as well.
jothki
I can’t help but think of all the reports of sufferers of some forms of depression about having a voice in their head that criticizes them.
Miri
Intrusive thoughts? It was such a relief to learn that those are a thing and that it was just the depression aping me being a complete and utter bongo towards myself…
Evelyn
There’s a difference between DID and being plural, DID being a subset of plurality and a fairly small one at that even per the DSM. Given that Booster doesn’t know what flavor Amber is, “plural” is the correct word to use here.
Kella
Plural is the identity, DID or OSDD-1 are the mental health conditions that can cause plurality. Apparently it’s possible to be plural separate of trauma cause brains are weird sometimes? Plus, if DID/OSDD are successfully treated, it rarely results in one single personality at the end. It’s much more common to result in what’s called “functional multiplicity” which is essentially being plural but without trauma and amnesia making your life difficult all the time. So, lots of different reasons people identify as plural rather than talking about a diagnosis.
Also, DID isn’t rare. Current studies have it impacting 1-3% of the general population, and OSDD impacts up to 8%.
SuperFroakie82
There’s tulpamancy too, which is different but still in the general plural community I think? I’ve found it all really interesting to look into, brains are freakin wacky.
SuperFroakie82
Idk I’ve heard some mixed messages on how people with DID or OSDD feel about tulpamancy and I guess I haven’t really looked into the larger plural community too much so if I shouldn’t be bringing this into the same discussion I apologize.
Deanatay
I had to look that up – interesting. I may have had a tulpa when I was younger, or I may have just made up someone to talk to. I haven’t spoken to them in years, so maybe it was just the latter.
QuestionablyHuman
Yeah, same community, even though (like all communities) there are people who gatekeep. The most prevalent is basically “If you haven’t had trauma you’re not valid” which is really toxic.
Source: Me, Tulpamancer.
clif
I’m not really familiar with OSDD but my understanding was that the incidence of DID was about 0.1%, but about 4 times higher than that for psychiatric inpatients.
Kella
Nope, not according to current research.
We have DID and we know there are at least two other systems that regularly comment on this comic, even though only 6% of DID or OSDD systems are open about their plurality.
http://traumadissociation.com/dissociativeidentitydisorder
Sam
Recent research finds it is closer to about 2-3% i.e. about as prevalant as green eyes. It tends to be a fairly well-disguised condition so the number may even be higher than that.
Eolirin
Plural is not the term an average psych major would be using. People are more prone to clinical language if they’re studying the field.
That’s not to say they aren’t a psych major, they could be. But using plural indicates a familiarity with the community itself and the terms being used by the people in it, rather than just a familiarity with DID as a clinical disorder. Studying psych only really suggests the latter, not the former.
Proxiehunter
That’s what I was going to say. Booster sounds like they hang out on mental health Tumblr rather than someone who’s taken psych classes. That doesn’t preclude them also taking psych classes but it isn’t evidence of it. Mental health Tumblr and queer Tumblr have a lot of overlap so I would suspect that’s where they picked it up unless they were also researching their own mental issues or those of a loved one.
Opus the Poet
Yeah, you kids have it so much better than I did pre-internet. I was dealing with PTSD before anyone knew there was such a thing. I was also part of a group that got followed a lot better than some people in similar situations minus the military connection. The thing that got me was finding out Cold War military dependents had drug and alcohol abuse rates almost identical to combat veterans of the same era, and that they were orders of magnitude higher than the general population of the same age. That’s when the penny dropped for me that this was a stress reaction when PTSD was barely a diagnosis for adults, and kids were still believed to “get over” stuff like that.
Obviously they don’t, because we didn’t.
Valerie
*appropriate gesture of comfort here*
Ana Chronistic
Dang, that’s awful. So sorry you had to go through all that!
BBCC
I was thinking that too.
Otl1973
Of course Booster doesn’t actually exist, so didn’t “drop” any terminology. Rather, Willis did. He could have done so because he did want to provide some clues/background for this new character. But it could be just that Willis knows the term and used it because it is less clinical, shorter, whatever – without it necessarily having any intent to say anything special about the character saying it.
thejeff
Unlikely. Willis is pretty careful about characterization and word usage. They’ve never used “plural” before to describe Amber – not from her or any of the other characters.
Ana Chronistic
I mean, sounds like something I would say if I had thought of it, just getting the general idea of “two separate minds in the same body” without necessarily having to specify a (possibly very wrong) term for the same. And I would’ve heard of it through a handful of movies like Identity rather than Tumblr or peers, so I wouldn’t be sure if anyone else knew what I even meant. But I am also fairly aware of being wrong like Joyce said, so it would be feeling out what’s acceptable phrasing.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
But is she a Disney Prancer?
Deanatay
Probably not – there’s some evidence that Joyce’s parents were anti-Disney.
Needfuldoer
We know she wasn’t allowed to watch Tangled or Frozen. They’re both generally standard “modern twist on a medieval fairy tale” Disney movies, so we can assume most of the others are off the table.
She’s also said she wasn’t allowed to watch Scooby-Doo, so probably half of the Hanna-Barbera catalog is out.
Honestly, with her gold in mental gymnastics I bet Carol could have found a way to disapprove of everything harder than Davey and Goliath or VeggieTales, even if it’s something she herself grew up with (or allowed her older children access to before she was further radicalized).
thejeff
Wouldn’t be surprised if the Disney movies Hank and Carol had grown up with were still okay.
Cattleprod
At first I thought she was skipping in the sense of ‘the people in these rooms don’t have names or personalities so we’re skipping past them’.