You only need to rewatch it if you have memory issues. If you have good memory, think of it and mentally rewatch it and then actually watch it again just because you love it.
The being, robot or human, likely had to self-identify as a woman in order to qualify.
Considering the question on whether or not the robot(s) may do so because of free will or their programming, things could get rather complicated, and interesting!
Jim
I think you mean, “Is it a non-male robot?” The test would be passed
if the robot was non-binary or non-gendered, as well…
Wagstaff
True, but the compilation remains whether or not their gender identity is due to programming or free will.
Thag Simmons
Bechdel test is specifically female characters I believe, but I think a non-binary or non-gendered character would be acceptable as a ‘non male subject matter’
Media will pass the Bechdel–Wallace testas long as it features two women “who talk to each other about something other than a man.” So Number Five need only be/not identify as male. It’s a worthwhile consideration, however that the robot in many ways exhibited male characterizations, including calling himself ‘Johnny Five’, and was voiced by a male.
All these points are somewhat moot, as the characters here are talking about the /movie/ not the character in the movie. Now if we want to consider the test in the context of them discussing a movie which likely fails the test, that could fuel a lengthy and enlightening debate. At the very least, TIL Fisher Stevens played an Indian in brown face and has expressed remorse for that. It’s worth noting he had done a significant amount of work to try turn in a performance that was not based on racist stereotypes.
Wagstaff
But in-universe, did Number Five call himself “Johnny Five” and speak like a male out of free will or because of their programming?
Demoted Oblivious
“”Number 5 asserts that his name should now be “Johnny 5” based on the El DeBarge song “Who’s Johnny” which had been playing on the van’s radio. “”
So the name is self determined, but the voice seems to be pre-programmed. However I cannae recall if t’others had different voices.
If we focus just on books, a typical bookstore might only have ~5k books. (not sure, that seems low to me, but maybe they meant a conventional bookstore, instead of a bigbox store). With an uncompressed text-only book being around 1-2 MBytes, that puts a bookstore at 5-10 GB. Now this doesn’t include images, and surely at print quality that would easily blow up the size. But even at 1GB per image and 200 images per book that still only brings us into the TB range. So we’re getting closer but not quite PetaBytes. Finally if we start including other products (because so many bookstores carry everything from blankets and toys to games, dishes and coffeeshops) then yeah, needing to data compress those real world items into printable formats (which we mostly don’t have yet), we’re possibly blowing well past petabytes, depending on the resolution precision of production.
True story, back in the day (like 1970/71, actually), I got into trouble, and then my parents did too. I was told on in Kindergarten by a troublemaker/frenemy for having some tropical disease, even though none of us had any idea what a tropical was, or disease for that matter.
It seems every day I would come to school with a strangely colored tongue, usually black or blackish, sometimes it would look more purpleish. It never seemed to revert back to normal, that my ‘friend’ could tell, because at lunch it would revert to darkness, usually.
teacher (Miss Bromwell, oh man, that’s another story, she was very nice , and not that way either, after all, I was only 6) sent me to Nurse (Nurse Running Deer, not so nice. Now that I’m old, I realize it was because all of us brats called her names because of her name, or worse) and she had to call my mom in.
Long story long, I couldn’t keep out of my usual daily lunch snacks before school, and the black and purple jelly beans would discolor my tongue… of course no one ever noticed the other colors, just the black ones…. I was the only one in my family who would eat them, so I got all I wanted.
Not because she wants to be stepped on, but because she wants to be stepped on by Malaya.
Demoted Oblivious
Speculating here leads me to disagree. For those who truly want to be stepped on, it’s gotta be frustrating to be able to ‘safeword’ out of something. They aren’t really contemptuous of you. Malaya is just a naturally arrogant contemptuous … that she already exudes the kind of attitude that makes you feel stepped on. Ergo, for those into it, it would seem a natural attractant. If you haven’t seen it, check out Bill Pullman in The Sinner. There’s a character super into being stepped on. It was mild, but too disturbing for me to watch at this place in my life.
That made sense in SP, but here that would require to have actually seen that movie, which came out when she was two and which no human being has thought of since, including the people who made it.
The only thing I remember about Stealth is I think either Jamie Foxx or Will Smith was in it as “the black dude”.
Clif
No human has thought of since sounds like an exaggeration. But I can’t be sure.
Sirksome
In fairness I didn’t remember it until reading this thread just now. And frankly I’m can’t be entirely sure I’m thinking of the right movie. If it’s the “Stealth” I think it is then it was about an evil AI controlled fighter jet or something.
Reltzik
“Evil” is kinda a stretch, but yes.
Demoted Oblivious
Jamie Foxx. Netflix has been periodically pushing it on me. Still haven’t watched though.
It’s remarkable that someone could build a bomb with Foxx /and/ Biel on board.
Also, my bet is Ruth’s favorite is either The Mighty Ducks or somethinf even
Okay that was as much as I could write before a MASSIVE UNCLOSEABLE VIDEO AD popped up on the right side of the screen. I think it might be for jewelry or something? Didn’t catch it for sure. But uh. That’s new and unpleasant.
Partly because of the inaccurate way the game is portrayed, partly because disney used the name for their NHL team in its early years. (The NHL, with a rich history going back decades, gets a team named after a cheezy kids movie nobody will remember 5 years later. Right up there with the glowing Fox puck as a hockey abomination)
Regalli
I know nothing about hockey and for that matter have never actually watched The Mighty Ducks, so I will cede to superior knowledge!
Also, got the weird corner ad again, it’s a law firm.
Wagstaff
If you’re writing this on a phone, may I recommend Brave browser to get rid of those pesky ads?
Pizzasgood
I never cared about that movie, but they also made a Mighty Ducks cartoon about anthropomorphic duck aliens from Puckworld who got stranded on Earth and decided to spend their time fighting crime and playing hockey. I don’t know how it holds up as an adult, but it was one of my favorite shows as a kid and a bajillion times more memorable than some real life hockey team or a movie about kids doing sports. I routinely forget that those even exist, but it’s been twenty-five years and I still find myself singing the theme song from Mighty Ducks: The Animated Series at least once a week.
foamy
They’re all really good fun, with some surprisingly serious elements in them, but the real rules of hockey are, at best, guidelines in them.
Andy
“The NHL with a rich history going back decades”
Rich it may be, but it’s also weird af. Mighty Ducks doesn’t bother me. Neither did the Fox glowing puck; that was a neat idea to make the puck more visible when TV’s weren’t great at picking it up.
I’m a real hockey fan,and I tend to spend a bit more time worrying about which UFA my teamight sign or if they’ll manage a suitable deal for a player that’s requested a trade or if we’ll be good enough to make a run at the Cup this year over whether or not a 30-year-old movie accurately portrays the sport. If I want to watch a movie that does, I’ll go watch Miracle.
“Of course Carla likes the movie about the robot.”
Although… I would have gone for Bicentennial Man as her choice, myself. Maybe it hits TOO close to alternate-universe-home, though.
Also, Bicentennial Man (besides being a bad adaptation of a great story) ends up saying that the robot is worthy of being considered a person because (in the bad movie, not the great story) it is capable of love. I suspect Carla would deride this theme.
StClair
eh. I’m a fan of Asimov, but I wouldn’t say the original is much better in that regard – a product of its times, perhaps.
The protagonist is finally granted full rights and recognition because he’s willing to die for them … effectively commit suicide for them, even. Like, no. He’s a fully sapient being, he deserves those rights on that basis alone. He doesn’t and shouldn’t have to “earn” them by killing himself.
I’m actually impressed that Ruth knew and remembered that. Also, Billie you are not mysterious or deep. I know you are trying to be more “mature” and stuff but right now you just sound like a twat.
Ruth loved her very much, and isnt over her completely, they were together for a decent amount of time and spent almost all their time together, why wouldn’t Ruth remember the favorite movie of the person she still loves to an extent.
They had a suicide pact for gods sake, that’s about as close as it gets.
248 thoughts on “The wind”
Ana Chronistic
I mean, if you REALLY like movies, you shouldn’t NEED to rewatch your favourite film bc you’ve already memorized every frame of the DVD/BD/laserdisc
He Who Abides
Man, I thought I was gonna beat you today.
*goes to sulk in corner*
Wagstaff
There’s still time to beat Bierce, if you can think of a song…
Wagstaff
Too late.
Sam
You only need to rewatch it if you have memory issues. If you have good memory, think of it and mentally rewatch it and then actually watch it again just because you love it.
TemplarKnight
Thankfully my favorite movie references a very specific day, so I make it a point to rewatch it on that day every year.
“Devil’s night, my new favorite holiday.”
Doctor_Who
Leslie’s enough of a nerd that the lesson plan is discarded and the rest of class devoted to talking about Short Circuit 2.
Clif
If they are talking about a robot, does that meet the Bechtel test?
Thag Simmons
Is it a lady robot?
Wagstaff
The being, robot or human, likely had to self-identify as a woman in order to qualify.
Considering the question on whether or not the robot(s) may do so because of free will or their programming, things could get rather complicated, and interesting!
Jim
I think you mean, “Is it a non-male robot?” The test would be passed
if the robot was non-binary or non-gendered, as well…
Wagstaff
True, but the compilation remains whether or not their gender identity is due to programming or free will.
Thag Simmons
Bechdel test is specifically female characters I believe, but I think a non-binary or non-gendered character would be acceptable as a ‘non male subject matter’
Demoted Oblivious
Media will pass the Bechdel–Wallace testas long as it features two women “who talk to each other about something other than a man.” So Number Five need only be/not identify as male. It’s a worthwhile consideration, however that the robot in many ways exhibited male characterizations, including calling himself ‘Johnny Five’, and was voiced by a male.
All these points are somewhat moot, as the characters here are talking about the /movie/ not the character in the movie. Now if we want to consider the test in the context of them discussing a movie which likely fails the test, that could fuel a lengthy and enlightening debate. At the very least, TIL Fisher Stevens played an Indian in brown face and has expressed remorse for that. It’s worth noting he had done a significant amount of work to try turn in a performance that was not based on racist stereotypes.
Wagstaff
But in-universe, did Number Five call himself “Johnny Five” and speak like a male out of free will or because of their programming?
Demoted Oblivious
“”Number 5 asserts that his name should now be “Johnny 5” based on the El DeBarge song “Who’s Johnny” which had been playing on the van’s radio. “”
So the name is self determined, but the voice seems to be pre-programmed. However I cannae recall if t’others had different voices.
Reltzik
She’s more of a Star Wars nerd, and can quite readily adapt a discussion of Attack of the Clones to a gender studies lesson.
Because Carla will shout it out even if Billie doesn’t want to talk about it.
… wait, that’s not right….
Because Carla will shout it out even if Jennifer doesn’t want to talk about it.
…. no, still not right….
Because Carla will shout it out especially if Jennifer doesn’t want to talk about it.
THERE we go.
Deanatay
Short Circuit 2 IS a little out of date, though.
I mean, a modern bookstore has a LOT more than ‘Megabytes and Megabytes’ of input. Easily a Petabyte, at least.
Demoted Oblivious
If we focus just on books, a typical bookstore might only have ~5k books. (not sure, that seems low to me, but maybe they meant a conventional bookstore, instead of a bigbox store). With an uncompressed text-only book being around 1-2 MBytes, that puts a bookstore at 5-10 GB. Now this doesn’t include images, and surely at print quality that would easily blow up the size. But even at 1GB per image and 200 images per book that still only brings us into the TB range. So we’re getting closer but not quite PetaBytes. Finally if we start including other products (because so many bookstores carry everything from blankets and toys to games, dishes and coffeeshops) then yeah, needing to data compress those real world items into printable formats (which we mostly don’t have yet), we’re possibly blowing well past petabytes, depending on the resolution precision of production.
Schpoonman
Ugh, Attack of the Clones? Really?
Myles Adams
This version’s not bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub9107xWjEk
Phil
that’s way more than 54 seconds
Kintrex
Well, that video also includes scenes from RotS.
butts
don’t kinkshame, carla
Clif
I would never kinkshame Carla. Unless she liked black licorice or something.
((Joke — I love licorice) )
I am Nothing
Grab the pitchforks! Prepare the cannons! Bring out the Allsorts!
Chris (the other one)
True story, back in the day (like 1970/71, actually), I got into trouble, and then my parents did too. I was told on in Kindergarten by a troublemaker/frenemy for having some tropical disease, even though none of us had any idea what a tropical was, or disease for that matter.
It seems every day I would come to school with a strangely colored tongue, usually black or blackish, sometimes it would look more purpleish. It never seemed to revert back to normal, that my ‘friend’ could tell, because at lunch it would revert to darkness, usually.
teacher (Miss Bromwell, oh man, that’s another story, she was very nice , and not that way either, after all, I was only 6) sent me to Nurse (Nurse Running Deer, not so nice. Now that I’m old, I realize it was because all of us brats called her names because of her name, or worse) and she had to call my mom in.
Long story long, I couldn’t keep out of my usual daily lunch snacks before school, and the black and purple jelly beans would discolor my tongue… of course no one ever noticed the other colors, just the black ones…. I was the only one in my family who would eat them, so I got all I wanted.
Spencer
I kinkshame Carla.
Not because she wants to be stepped on, but because she wants to be stepped on by Malaya.
Demoted Oblivious
Speculating here leads me to disagree. For those who truly want to be stepped on, it’s gotta be frustrating to be able to ‘safeword’ out of something. They aren’t really contemptuous of you. Malaya is just a naturally arrogant contemptuous … that she already exudes the kind of attitude that makes you feel stepped on. Ergo, for those into it, it would seem a natural attractant. If you haven’t seen it, check out Bill Pullman in The Sinner. There’s a character super into being stepped on. It was mild, but too disturbing for me to watch at this place in my life.
Thag Simmons
So you think the Buff Jamaican Squid Monk is hot. I think most people would understand that
He Who Abides
And I’m guessing Carla’s least favorite film is Stealth?
Doctor_Who
That made sense in SP, but here that would require to have actually seen that movie, which came out when she was two and which no human being has thought of since, including the people who made it.
Sirksome
The only thing I remember about Stealth is I think either Jamie Foxx or Will Smith was in it as “the black dude”.
Clif
No human has thought of since sounds like an exaggeration. But I can’t be sure.
Sirksome
In fairness I didn’t remember it until reading this thread just now. And frankly I’m can’t be entirely sure I’m thinking of the right movie. If it’s the “Stealth” I think it is then it was about an evil AI controlled fighter jet or something.
Reltzik
“Evil” is kinda a stretch, but yes.
Demoted Oblivious
Jamie Foxx. Netflix has been periodically pushing it on me. Still haven’t watched though.
It’s remarkable that someone could build a bomb with Foxx /and/ Biel on board.
Deanatay
I-i mean, we’re thinking about it now.
Can we stop?
Rocketboy1313
Wow. I mean, it is your life, but… Get it together.
Regalli
… Wow. She really does like Kit Fisto, huh.
Also nice to see that, even if she’s no longer a car-turned-AI, all Car(la)s like the Short Circuit duology best.
Regalli
Also, my bet is Ruth’s favorite is either The Mighty Ducks or somethinf even
Okay that was as much as I could write before a MASSIVE UNCLOSEABLE VIDEO AD popped up on the right side of the screen. I think it might be for jewelry or something? Didn’t catch it for sure. But uh. That’s new and unpleasant.
tim gueguen
More likely the cult classic hockey film Slap Shot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slap_Shot
Undrave
Totally!
RassilonTDavros
“The Mighty Ducks”
Relevant
Segnosaur
Ugg. Real hockey fans abhor the Mighty Ducks.
Partly because of the inaccurate way the game is portrayed, partly because disney used the name for their NHL team in its early years. (The NHL, with a rich history going back decades, gets a team named after a cheezy kids movie nobody will remember 5 years later. Right up there with the glowing Fox puck as a hockey abomination)
Regalli
I know nothing about hockey and for that matter have never actually watched The Mighty Ducks, so I will cede to superior knowledge!
Also, got the weird corner ad again, it’s a law firm.
Wagstaff
If you’re writing this on a phone, may I recommend Brave browser to get rid of those pesky ads?
Pizzasgood
I never cared about that movie, but they also made a Mighty Ducks cartoon about anthropomorphic duck aliens from Puckworld who got stranded on Earth and decided to spend their time fighting crime and playing hockey. I don’t know how it holds up as an adult, but it was one of my favorite shows as a kid and a bajillion times more memorable than some real life hockey team or a movie about kids doing sports. I routinely forget that those even exist, but it’s been twenty-five years and I still find myself singing the theme song from Mighty Ducks: The Animated Series at least once a week.
foamy
They’re all really good fun, with some surprisingly serious elements in them, but the real rules of hockey are, at best, guidelines in them.
Andy
“The NHL with a rich history going back decades”
Rich it may be, but it’s also weird af. Mighty Ducks doesn’t bother me. Neither did the Fox glowing puck; that was a neat idea to make the puck more visible when TV’s weren’t great at picking it up.
I’m a real hockey fan,and I tend to spend a bit more time worrying about which UFA my teamight sign or if they’ll manage a suitable deal for a player that’s requested a trade or if we’ll be good enough to make a run at the Cup this year over whether or not a 30-year-old movie accurately portrays the sport. If I want to watch a movie that does, I’ll go watch Miracle.
Roborat
Nope, Strange Brew.
Demoted Oblivious
There we go. Maybe Goon, or someone’s anachronistic bootleg copy of the ’67 Stanley Cup, but there’s lots to choose from.
davidbreslin101
She calls him “Fit Kissed-O”….
Deanatay
I prefer to think of Short Circuit as an unfinished trilogy.
Formedras
“Of course Carla likes the movie about the robot.”
Although… I would have gone for Bicentennial Man as her choice, myself. Maybe it hits TOO close to alternate-universe-home, though.
Shade
Nah. Carla would want her movie to also be a bit fun and cheesy. Bicentennial Man is probably a bit too serious for her.
PASchaefer
Also, Bicentennial Man (besides being a bad adaptation of a great story) ends up saying that the robot is worthy of being considered a person because (in the bad movie, not the great story) it is capable of love. I suspect Carla would deride this theme.
StClair
eh. I’m a fan of Asimov, but I wouldn’t say the original is much better in that regard – a product of its times, perhaps.
The protagonist is finally granted full rights and recognition because he’s willing to die for them … effectively commit suicide for them, even. Like, no. He’s a fully sapient being, he deserves those rights on that basis alone. He doesn’t and shouldn’t have to “earn” them by killing himself.
Roborat
I thought Robin Williams was great in that movie.
Kyrik Michalowski
I’m actually impressed that Ruth knew and remembered that. Also, Billie you are not mysterious or deep. I know you are trying to be more “mature” and stuff but right now you just sound like a twat.
Switchchris23
Ruth loved her very much, and isnt over her completely, they were together for a decent amount of time and spent almost all their time together, why wouldn’t Ruth remember the favorite movie of the person she still loves to an extent.
They had a suicide pact for gods sake, that’s about as close as it gets.
Thag Simmons
Eh, it’s good blackmail material.
Shade
Eh she’s going through that young adult phase where you try to be more grown up but are actually acting fairly immature. Most people grow out of it.
I am Nothing
Eh, it’d seem we’ve made a chain.
Clif
Eh?
Opus the Poet
You replied to the wrong post.
No cookie for you. Or soup either.
timemonkey
Watching that annoying robot get beaten nearly to death IS pretty sweet.
EAG46
“No one understands me. I’m the wind, baby.” — Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000.
woobie
“Call me the breeze….”
van Zant, early 70s.
MrSmith