I named my cat Raspberyl. ‘Cause she’s a delinquent.
Lumino
Not a badass freakin’ overlord?
Doctor_Who
Zetta probably doesn’t flee whenever the Roomba starts up, so no.
Paradox
He might. Don’t a page tearing, do we?
Arian
My husband’s uncle had a cat named Clawed dePussy
JessWitt
She sticks her tongue out and goes “pbbbbt”?
EvilMidnightLurker
The first cat I got to name was Pinklepurr, after one of A.A. Milne’s poems.
The second was Pixel, after Heinlein. It was prophetic: on at least two occasions when I was the only human in the house and all doors, windows, etc. were definitely closed, I let her into the house… twice in a row.
Question: How was Wonder Woman a thing in their household inasmuch as, you know, there’s that whole Greek Gods thing going on?
Eldritch Gentleman
Maybe the patriotic swimsuit fooled the parents into thinking she is a good upstanding Christian lady?
TrueVCU
Lord what fools these mortals be
Terry
Unless you actually read the comics, you wouldn’t know about the Greek Gods angle. From the outside, she is just a superhero woman who wears the same type of scanty clothing as all the others and has a rope to tie up bad guys with. At least she has American symbols in her costume, which might make her better than some other female heroes.
Which brings us to that point mentioned in the alt-text:
WE HAVE CANONICAL EVIDENCE OF JOYCE AS A KID, IN A WONDER WOMAN COSTUME, CHAPERONED BY JOYCELYNE!!! If that’s not the cutest thing EVER I have no idea what is. Patreon voters, we have heard the call. We have the power. This art MUST happen.
Since I don’t think you saw my comment from yesterday, I’ll say it again here:
““Transvestite” is also often considered an outdated and sometimes offensive term, though I have known people who use it for themselves. I’m not sure if you meant transgender, which is different, or someone who crossdresses.”
And it’s not appropriate here in the crossdressing sense either because she wasn’t crossdressing; I guess it’s unclear if she would have thought she was at the time.
And also, besides all those important things, she was dressing up as Wonder Woman, not ‘a transvestite’
(I just reread and AntJ said ‘at Halloween’ not ‘for Halloween’ but I’m still adding this)
thejeff
This too. I wouldn’t apply any of these terms to a kid wanting to dress up for Halloween as a character of a different apparent gender. Especially a younger kid. It might be a hint or it might just be a character they like.
Wonder how old this was for Jocelyne?
Axel
This is a good wording of what I kind of meant to expand my comment into
I didn’t know “transvestite” was considered offensive. So “crossdresser” is the acceptable term instead? (And yes, I know Jocelyne identifies as transgender and neither word is appropriate in her case).
Bunny
Just say woman? Its. Really not hard.
Yumi
Well, it seems like they were asking about transvestite vs crossdresser, and “woman” isn’t really the answer for that.
It is, in the situation under discussion, wrong (at least part of the time), though. Calling Mana or Eddie Izzard women would be just as wrong as calling Jocelyn a man. (Of course, Izzard refers to himself as a transvestite, so he confuses the issue under discussion.)
Lexi
Eddy Izzard is also more gender queer now. I don’t remember precisely what they identify as, but it was clear being a transvestite was just a part of their gender identity/journey.
Jason
I didn’t know THAT! Do you have any links to them talking about it? I’ve always liked Eddie Izzard and the fact that they were all “this is what I’m wearing on stage because I WANT TO”. If they’re openly genderqueer… that’s a huge thing.
Maul_Junior
Eddie Izzard just went on Joe Rogan and referred to themselves as Trans. it’s on the JRE youtube channel, actually.
20 minute clip titled: “Eddie Izzard on being Transgender”
I think he still uses he/him pronouns, though. That’s what his official website uses.
I love him and remember watching his specials as a kid, and I think that help influence some of my thoughts about gender. And like it was said, he uses transvestite for himself, or at least has in the past, so for a while that seemed more okay to me, but I’ve also been told that in addition to generational language shifts, there might be a difference between what’s more okay in UK vs US English. For the record, I’m coming from an American perspective (despite what students have repeatedly thought this week).
Izzard has started explicitly calling himself transgender recently, but this isn’t a part of a change of his identity, but making explicit that it is his identity, not just his stage persona, or a kink. He still uses he/him and calls himself a transvestite.
Since we’re talking about Eddie Izzard now, there’s a quote of his I love: “No, I wear dresses. They’re not women’s dresses. They’re my clothes. I buy them.”
A young trans character may reference it in a manuscript I’m working on.
Khyrin
As I recall, people have given him also given him shinola for being too subtle. They were expecting the flamboyant ‘Dress to Kill’ costume and he’d chosen to wear a few tasteful hints of make up and a tailored suit that day.
Charlotte
A man can wear a woman’s costume. In this case, Jocelyne wore it — and we don’t know how she saw it at the time — but men can dress up as women without it saying anything about their identity, you know, as costume.
Yumi
Honestly, it really varies with the person, but in a general sense I’d go with “crossdressing” over “transvestism.” Once my high school Spanish teacher was talking about the subject, trying to be respectful, and used “transvestites.” I mentioned to her after class that another term might be preferable for what she was describing, and she was open to that, saying she had thought “transvestite” was better because it sounded more medical– which I then said could actually be a problem with it.
It has a complicated history. Its present, as I know it, is a lot of people cringing when they hear it used by someone who doesn’t identify that way themself.
JessWitt
Good to know. Thanks.
Yumi
*Note that now I’m pretty “smash gender roles, just let people wear what they want,” but these labels still come up for people. Gender non-conforming might also be used in a similar sense at times, but that term can get confusing to. And, like, there’s a lot of LGBTQ+ discussion that gets connected, but a lot of people who crossdress identify as cis and straight.
Jason
My spouse identifies as gender nonconforming, but dresses and presents as male. I had no idea that it was tied into gender presentation rather than gender identity.
It’s a lot of things! It can be really confusing. I feel like I hear it most in reference to children? Like “trans and gender non-conforming children,” and that really widens it and can be used to talk about gender in an unhelpful way sometimes, but it can also just be intending to include kids who aren’t sure how they identify. (I have also personally experienced cases of parents who are like, “My daughter* isn’t transgender! She’s* just gender non-conforming!” and then you meet the kid and he’s very clear that he’s a boy.)
Idk, I’m non-binary, and when I see “gender non-conforming,” I often don’t know whether it’s meant to include me or not. I’m trying to phrase this right, but it’s 5am and I haven’t slept… like, there are a lot of terms that have been taken away from the people they’re actually for and then used in really confusing ways, so while I support people self identifying with many of those terms, I sometimes have issues with them in more general senses.
Rabid Rabbit
That makes sense. I suppose, if I think about it, these days I’d define “transvestite” as a male person who identifies as male (gay or straight or anything in between) who likes to dress up in feminine garb, but “crossdresser” is probably preferable there.
For some reason, of course, this doesn’t apply to women, as women dressing in male clothes are just dressing in something. But that’s because women get more choice in what to wear anyway. (Please note that this paragraph, while containing more than a kernel of truth, is heavily sarcastic. But I mean honestly, who looks at Marlene Dietrich dressed in top hat, white tail and tails and calls her a crossdresser/transvestite as opposed to just “Marlene Dietrich being hot as fuck”?)
Kryss LaBryn
I mean, it used to be that women weren’t allowed to wear clothing “appropriate to the opposite sex” either, but thankfully that’s changed. It’s good to see it changing (albeit extremely slowly) for guys as well! Their clothing choices have been too damned limited (especially for formal wear!!) for too damned long.
I mean, when you think about it, it is extremely weird to insist that the shape and cut and colour of one’s clothing be determined by the shape of one’s genitals, beyond the differences required to make them fit properly.
Like, you’d think style would be exclusively about personality, and occasion, and what looks good on your particular body shape, right? But no; we also limit choices according to whether your genitals are inverted or everted, and that’s just f*cked up.
–So far as it being okay for women to cross-dress, but it being much less socially acceptable for men to, the difference there is that men are still considered socially superior to women. So a woman dressing in men’s clothing is (traditionally) seen as dressing up as a superior, which is, like, cute in the sense of “Aww, look; she thinks she’s people!” sense. (Please note that these is hold-overs from old stereotypes and not what I nor anyone else in their right mind these days actually thinks).
But a guy is dressing down, pretending to be a social inferior, and that is seen as a negative, the same way that a woman exhibiting traditionally “masculine” qualities is seen as “better” than a man exhibiting traditionally “feminine” qualities.
I mean, it’s all complete bullshit; but it’s why women can “get away” with dressing in masculine clothing easier than men can with women’s clothing. And of course WWII and women wearing trousers to work in factories etc did a lot to advance that. But yeah, anyways.
Also holy crap, yes, Marlene Dietrich!! <333
thejeff
Yup. Much of it comes from gender roles being much more strictly enforced in the past. Part of why men and women wore different clothes was because they needed to do different things. Clothing standards overall used to be more strict as well even within a gender. Individual, personal style mattered less than what social role you needed to perform – which still exists in things like business wear and the like. Jeans being strictly for the working class and even they wore button down shirts and hats.
A good part of the reason women have more freedom to wear male-style clothing is simply that it’s often more practical and thus isn’t necessarily a statement of masculinity, but of practicality. Trousers in factories, as you say.
It’s all bullshit, but it’s deeply rooted bullshit that it’s hard to even dig out of yourself, much less the rest of society.
Kinoko
It is extremely weird that society insists clothing is somehow coded to genitalia… but it also makes sense when you realize how much people think they have a right to know what’s in another person’s pants. =_=
As a straight cis woman who is only attracted to / interested in male genitalia, this should be relevant information to me ONLY if we are currently discussing whether or not we are going to bang. Otherwise, it’s none of my damn business.
lightsabermario
It’s important for pronoun use. Clothing is a clear signaler of which “team” you’re on, and since each team has its own pronoun, it makes it easier so you don’t have to ask every single time. The Japanese language has genders and other specifiers for the “I” pronoun, so they don’t have this problem, since it comes out immediately when they refer to themselves.
thejeff
And do the Japanese have less gender restricted clothing than we do? Since there’s no need to signal for pronoun use.
I’m no expert, but I don’t think so.
Our coded gender roles and assumptions go much deeper than pronouns. Much more about how we treat and react to each other is gender based than we generally like to think.
You’re right though that a lot of the clothing rules (as well as things like hair length and styles) are intended to be obvious signals so we don’t get confused about what roles each other are supposed to play.
Mephron
Or, you know, “being Marlene Dietrich”.
Ada
It’s pretty simple: both transvestite and crossdresser (in this context) mean that somebody who identifies as a man is dressed as a woman. Jocelyne doesn’t match the first part, even while still in the closet.
I think a better way to say would be something like “Going en femme as wonder woman.” I’ve seen several people online using that phrase while they were transitioning and partially closeted to describe how they were going to present at a given time.
Axel
I generally would use transvestite if it turns them on, crossdresser in any other situation where someone is dressing as a gender they don’t identify as (other than trans people who must stay closeted for any reason). And drag queen if they are gay and it has a performative element.
Catman
‘Cross dresser’ is usually only appropriate if the person still identifies as their assigned gender, but then I’ve seen a few people use it in regards to when they were experimenting with their gender identity, so it might be applicable here
255 thoughts on “Cable news”
Ana Chronistic
=O
MISS SASAKI, YOU BUSTED FREE OF THE PAYWALL
(and JOSS… yesssssss, WW is rad as fuck)
Doctor_Who
Miss Sakaki is the best name for a cat, and I’m mad I didn’t think about it when naming mine.
Ana Chronistic
I thought of Curiosity Kildekat
Doctor_Who
I named my cat Raspberyl. ‘Cause she’s a delinquent.
Lumino
Not a badass freakin’ overlord?
Doctor_Who
Zetta probably doesn’t flee whenever the Roomba starts up, so no.
Paradox
He might. Don’t a page tearing, do we?
Arian
My husband’s uncle had a cat named Clawed dePussy
JessWitt
She sticks her tongue out and goes “pbbbbt”?
EvilMidnightLurker
The first cat I got to name was Pinklepurr, after one of A.A. Milne’s poems.
The second was Pixel, after Heinlein. It was prophetic: on at least two occasions when I was the only human in the house and all doors, windows, etc. were definitely closed, I let her into the house… twice in a row.
Emperor Norton II
I feel like Miss Sasaki needs their own tag.
Doctor_Who
You have two wishes remaining.
Emperor Norton II
We are the Emperor of the Internet. We do not wish, We command.
And We are pleased that Our command was obeyed so swiftly.
Doctor_Who
Yeah? Well, I’m the Lord of Time.
Dean
Calm down, you’re both pretty.
Emperor Norton II
They’re pretty, I’m petty.
ShinyNeen
Aww, you didn’t want to pull off both?
Ana Chronistic
Wonder Woman costume… or Miss Sasaki?
HMM ?
chris2315
I choose Miss Sasaki wearing a tiny Wonder Woman costume.
MM
Someone remind me of this when I have the funds to commission a sketch.
Felix
You choose well.
Ana Chronistic
I mean, yeah https://www.amazon.com/Comics-Costume-Small-Wonder-Woman/dp/B00C6UWYRE
ValdVin
If I had known Patreon folks got a cat and Jocelyne I would have signed up before this.
Tim
Miss Sasaki will win the next favorite DoA character poll.
DarkoNeko
OMG miss sakaki self insert ! We all knew she was the was drawing the comic
CrowsCrone
This is so sweet, I love it???
Stephen Bierce
*looks for the Lynda Carter episode of The Muppet Show in the DVD pile*
Deanatay
Wundah Wumaaaaaan
dun dun dun da da dun dun
In your satin tights
Fighting for our rights
And the Ol’ Red White an Bluuuuuue
dun dun dun dun
Youre a wundah, Wundah Wumaaaaan
Get us out from undah, Wundah Wumaaan
da da dun dah daa
DUN DUN DUN DA!
keithcurtis
“Flash! Bam! Alakazam! Out of an orange-colored sky!”
— I like that episode.
Dafydd
Wait, which of them was going as Wonder Woman?
Doctor_Who
Yes.
foamy
Question: How was Wonder Woman a thing in their household inasmuch as, you know, there’s that whole Greek Gods thing going on?
Eldritch Gentleman
Maybe the patriotic swimsuit fooled the parents into thinking she is a good upstanding Christian lady?
TrueVCU
Lord what fools these mortals be
Terry
Unless you actually read the comics, you wouldn’t know about the Greek Gods angle. From the outside, she is just a superhero woman who wears the same type of scanty clothing as all the others and has a rope to tie up bad guys with. At least she has American symbols in her costume, which might make her better than some other female heroes.
David M Willis
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Deanatay
She did.
David M Willis
Joyce.
Bagge
Which brings us to that point mentioned in the alt-text:
WE HAVE CANONICAL EVIDENCE OF JOYCE AS A KID, IN A WONDER WOMAN COSTUME, CHAPERONED BY JOYCELYNE!!! If that’s not the cutest thing EVER I have no idea what is. Patreon voters, we have heard the call. We have the power. This art MUST happen.
TlalocW
Which begs the question – what DID Jocelyne wear then if Joyce was WW?
Roborat
Colonel Steve Trevor Jr.
AntJ
Yup, I was right about someone being a transvestite at Halloween
Yumi
Since I don’t think you saw my comment from yesterday, I’ll say it again here:
““Transvestite” is also often considered an outdated and sometimes offensive term, though I have known people who use it for themselves. I’m not sure if you meant transgender, which is different, or someone who crossdresses.”
And it’s not appropriate here in the crossdressing sense either because she wasn’t crossdressing; I guess it’s unclear if she would have thought she was at the time.
Axel
And also, besides all those important things, she was dressing up as Wonder Woman, not ‘a transvestite’
(I just reread and AntJ said ‘at Halloween’ not ‘for Halloween’ but I’m still adding this)
thejeff
This too. I wouldn’t apply any of these terms to a kid wanting to dress up for Halloween as a character of a different apparent gender. Especially a younger kid. It might be a hint or it might just be a character they like.
Wonder how old this was for Jocelyne?
Axel
This is a good wording of what I kind of meant to expand my comment into
JessWitt
I didn’t know “transvestite” was considered offensive. So “crossdresser” is the acceptable term instead? (And yes, I know Jocelyne identifies as transgender and neither word is appropriate in her case).
Bunny
Just say woman? Its. Really not hard.
Yumi
Well, it seems like they were asking about transvestite vs crossdresser, and “woman” isn’t really the answer for that.
JessWitt
Sorry. I mean no disrespect.
Kamino Neko
It is, in the situation under discussion, wrong (at least part of the time), though. Calling Mana or Eddie Izzard women would be just as wrong as calling Jocelyn a man. (Of course, Izzard refers to himself as a transvestite, so he confuses the issue under discussion.)
Lexi
Eddy Izzard is also more gender queer now. I don’t remember precisely what they identify as, but it was clear being a transvestite was just a part of their gender identity/journey.
Jason
I didn’t know THAT! Do you have any links to them talking about it? I’ve always liked Eddie Izzard and the fact that they were all “this is what I’m wearing on stage because I WANT TO”. If they’re openly genderqueer… that’s a huge thing.
Maul_Junior
Eddie Izzard just went on Joe Rogan and referred to themselves as Trans. it’s on the JRE youtube channel, actually.
20 minute clip titled: “Eddie Izzard on being Transgender”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AF7Qv-ughQ
Yumi
I think he still uses he/him pronouns, though. That’s what his official website uses.
I love him and remember watching his specials as a kid, and I think that help influence some of my thoughts about gender. And like it was said, he uses transvestite for himself, or at least has in the past, so for a while that seemed more okay to me, but I’ve also been told that in addition to generational language shifts, there might be a difference between what’s more okay in UK vs US English. For the record, I’m coming from an American perspective (despite what students have repeatedly thought this week).
Kamino Neko
Yeah, I checked before making my post, and it’s all masculine pronouns. He’s also still referred to as a transvestite on the site.
Kamino Neko
Izzard has started explicitly calling himself transgender recently, but this isn’t a part of a change of his identity, but making explicit that it is his identity, not just his stage persona, or a kink. He still uses he/him and calls himself a transvestite.
Yumi
Since we’re talking about Eddie Izzard now, there’s a quote of his I love: “No, I wear dresses. They’re not women’s dresses. They’re my clothes. I buy them.”
A young trans character may reference it in a manuscript I’m working on.
Khyrin
As I recall, people have given him also given him shinola for being too subtle. They were expecting the flamboyant ‘Dress to Kill’ costume and he’d chosen to wear a few tasteful hints of make up and a tailored suit that day.
Charlotte
A man can wear a woman’s costume. In this case, Jocelyne wore it — and we don’t know how she saw it at the time — but men can dress up as women without it saying anything about their identity, you know, as costume.
Yumi
Honestly, it really varies with the person, but in a general sense I’d go with “crossdressing” over “transvestism.” Once my high school Spanish teacher was talking about the subject, trying to be respectful, and used “transvestites.” I mentioned to her after class that another term might be preferable for what she was describing, and she was open to that, saying she had thought “transvestite” was better because it sounded more medical– which I then said could actually be a problem with it.
It has a complicated history. Its present, as I know it, is a lot of people cringing when they hear it used by someone who doesn’t identify that way themself.
JessWitt
Good to know. Thanks.
Yumi
*Note that now I’m pretty “smash gender roles, just let people wear what they want,” but these labels still come up for people. Gender non-conforming might also be used in a similar sense at times, but that term can get confusing to. And, like, there’s a lot of LGBTQ+ discussion that gets connected, but a lot of people who crossdress identify as cis and straight.
Jason
My spouse identifies as gender nonconforming, but dresses and presents as male. I had no idea that it was tied into gender presentation rather than gender identity.
Yumi
It’s a lot of things! It can be really confusing. I feel like I hear it most in reference to children? Like “trans and gender non-conforming children,” and that really widens it and can be used to talk about gender in an unhelpful way sometimes, but it can also just be intending to include kids who aren’t sure how they identify. (I have also personally experienced cases of parents who are like, “My daughter* isn’t transgender! She’s* just gender non-conforming!” and then you meet the kid and he’s very clear that he’s a boy.)
Idk, I’m non-binary, and when I see “gender non-conforming,” I often don’t know whether it’s meant to include me or not. I’m trying to phrase this right, but it’s 5am and I haven’t slept… like, there are a lot of terms that have been taken away from the people they’re actually for and then used in really confusing ways, so while I support people self identifying with many of those terms, I sometimes have issues with them in more general senses.
Rabid Rabbit
That makes sense. I suppose, if I think about it, these days I’d define “transvestite” as a male person who identifies as male (gay or straight or anything in between) who likes to dress up in feminine garb, but “crossdresser” is probably preferable there.
For some reason, of course, this doesn’t apply to women, as women dressing in male clothes are just dressing in something. But that’s because women get more choice in what to wear anyway. (Please note that this paragraph, while containing more than a kernel of truth, is heavily sarcastic. But I mean honestly, who looks at Marlene Dietrich dressed in top hat, white tail and tails and calls her a crossdresser/transvestite as opposed to just “Marlene Dietrich being hot as fuck”?)
Kryss LaBryn
I mean, it used to be that women weren’t allowed to wear clothing “appropriate to the opposite sex” either, but thankfully that’s changed. It’s good to see it changing (albeit extremely slowly) for guys as well! Their clothing choices have been too damned limited (especially for formal wear!!) for too damned long.
I mean, when you think about it, it is extremely weird to insist that the shape and cut and colour of one’s clothing be determined by the shape of one’s genitals, beyond the differences required to make them fit properly.
Like, you’d think style would be exclusively about personality, and occasion, and what looks good on your particular body shape, right? But no; we also limit choices according to whether your genitals are inverted or everted, and that’s just f*cked up.
–So far as it being okay for women to cross-dress, but it being much less socially acceptable for men to, the difference there is that men are still considered socially superior to women. So a woman dressing in men’s clothing is (traditionally) seen as dressing up as a superior, which is, like, cute in the sense of “Aww, look; she thinks she’s people!” sense. (Please note that these is hold-overs from old stereotypes and not what I nor anyone else in their right mind these days actually thinks).
But a guy is dressing down, pretending to be a social inferior, and that is seen as a negative, the same way that a woman exhibiting traditionally “masculine” qualities is seen as “better” than a man exhibiting traditionally “feminine” qualities.
I mean, it’s all complete bullshit; but it’s why women can “get away” with dressing in masculine clothing easier than men can with women’s clothing. And of course WWII and women wearing trousers to work in factories etc did a lot to advance that. But yeah, anyways.
Also holy crap, yes, Marlene Dietrich!! <333
thejeff
Yup. Much of it comes from gender roles being much more strictly enforced in the past. Part of why men and women wore different clothes was because they needed to do different things. Clothing standards overall used to be more strict as well even within a gender. Individual, personal style mattered less than what social role you needed to perform – which still exists in things like business wear and the like. Jeans being strictly for the working class and even they wore button down shirts and hats.
A good part of the reason women have more freedom to wear male-style clothing is simply that it’s often more practical and thus isn’t necessarily a statement of masculinity, but of practicality. Trousers in factories, as you say.
It’s all bullshit, but it’s deeply rooted bullshit that it’s hard to even dig out of yourself, much less the rest of society.
Kinoko
It is extremely weird that society insists clothing is somehow coded to genitalia… but it also makes sense when you realize how much people think they have a right to know what’s in another person’s pants. =_=
As a straight cis woman who is only attracted to / interested in male genitalia, this should be relevant information to me ONLY if we are currently discussing whether or not we are going to bang. Otherwise, it’s none of my damn business.
lightsabermario
It’s important for pronoun use. Clothing is a clear signaler of which “team” you’re on, and since each team has its own pronoun, it makes it easier so you don’t have to ask every single time. The Japanese language has genders and other specifiers for the “I” pronoun, so they don’t have this problem, since it comes out immediately when they refer to themselves.
thejeff
And do the Japanese have less gender restricted clothing than we do? Since there’s no need to signal for pronoun use.
I’m no expert, but I don’t think so.
Our coded gender roles and assumptions go much deeper than pronouns. Much more about how we treat and react to each other is gender based than we generally like to think.
You’re right though that a lot of the clothing rules (as well as things like hair length and styles) are intended to be obvious signals so we don’t get confused about what roles each other are supposed to play.
Mephron
Or, you know, “being Marlene Dietrich”.
Ada
It’s pretty simple: both transvestite and crossdresser (in this context) mean that somebody who identifies as a man is dressed as a woman. Jocelyne doesn’t match the first part, even while still in the closet.
I think a better way to say would be something like “Going en femme as wonder woman.” I’ve seen several people online using that phrase while they were transitioning and partially closeted to describe how they were going to present at a given time.
Axel
I generally would use transvestite if it turns them on, crossdresser in any other situation where someone is dressing as a gender they don’t identify as (other than trans people who must stay closeted for any reason). And drag queen if they are gay and it has a performative element.
Catman
‘Cross dresser’ is usually only appropriate if the person still identifies as their assigned gender, but then I’ve seen a few people use it in regards to when they were experimenting with their gender identity, so it might be applicable here