Ugh… re-reading this, I cringed when realizing my pun about ‘opportunity cost’ is probably too subtle compared to the rapey-sounding taking advantage of a drunk patron.
Demoted Oblivious
Wow. still strugglung with wording today. mea-culpa
milu
fwiw i immediately got that the joke was a pun on “opportunity cost” =)
being economics-ly illiterate i can’t tell how witty it was but it really just sounded too much like a jolly old pun for me to dig any deeper
Delavan
Yeah, same. I thought it was an econ pun too. I don’t think reasonable people thought you were being cringe. Don’t be hard on yourself!
Wagstaff
Let’s just ask ourselves: what was Ruth’s next best alternative to Jason?
Clif
Galasso.
Both were a bit down the list, but Galasso was next.
Wagstaff
What about Daisy? I mean, Ruth essentially gave up the opportunity to be with her that night. Thus Daisy would be her opportunity cost.
I would “joke” that this isn’t what it looks like, but… it probably actually isn’t. Jason actually gives a shit about consent, so I’m betting he just escorted her home and then spent the night because he was tired.
They can work and I think it works better if he just escorted her home precisely because a person who gives a shit about consent and not abusing your partner is whom Ruthless needs.
Except I was under the impression that unlike Jenifer who’s bi Ruth is a lesbian. Could have sworn she said that at some point.
Sam
Nope. Ruth is bisexual. They had a ‘sexy lesbian suicide pact’ but both herself and Billie are bisexual.
RassilonTDavros
I think the common misconception arises in part from the fact that Billie/Jennifer is the only Ruth relationship that’s ever gotten any significant attention from the narrative, in either continuity. However, she did have at least one boyfriend back in high school (a Dumbiverse alt version of a character from an old webcomic that was never finished), and it’s not like they broke up because she wasn’t into him— it was because Gramps up and moved her (insert inordinately large number here) miles away and uprooted her entire life.
(Let’s just forget that one Walkyverse flashback story where she dated Ryan because nope nope nope)
Segnosaur
There was also some dialog from an earlier comic where she was asked (by her brother i think) whether she was gay now because she was dating billie/jennifer. She responded “maybe?”
Thag Simmons
Ruth had a boyfriend back in Canada.
King Daniel
And Willis also drew art of Danny/Jennifer/Ruth for Bisexual Awareness Day some years back.
jeffepp
In the old comic, they were a kind of threesome. Kinda. Just, not all at once.
Sam Smith
A boyfriend in Canada?
Sounds familiar somehow….
Clif
I suspect that there are many people with a boyfriend in Canada.
Now mind you, many of those people are in Canada themselves. But still.
Demoted Oblivious
We tend to have American girl/boy-friends, or sometimes Quebecois. Allegedly crossing provincial boundaries is also effective.
wilddeath
Funnily enough my best friend actually married his canadian girlfriend a few years back then moved up there to be with her. now he is part canadian, they did the blood moon sacrifice for the CONVERSION ritual and everything.
Spencer
Man if y’all are surprised Ruth is bi you are gonna flip when you learn she’s also Canadian.
thejeff
Outside of the comments, Canadian has come up much more often than bi.
Spencer
Jeff I’m gonna be real with you. If the assumption of a character’s sexuality when it comes to same sex relationships is that they are always gay, that doesn’t mean we need to constantly clarify that. That means y’all need to stop assuming one thing.
You’re the wrong one here. Please stop acting like your inability to change an extremely simple assumption is worth digging your heels into.
thejeff
huh?
I don’t even follow.
People are often surprised by rarely referenced character traits, even if they’re well known to people who follow the story closely. More people will be surprised to learn she’s bi than that she’s Canadian because Canadian is a more prominent character trait. That is literally all I was saying.
I know bi invisibility is a thing, but at the same time, people miss character traits all the time. Hell, there was someone earlier today who didn’t even think Ruth and Jason had met.
Spencer
I’m saying if you see a dude kissing another dude you can’t just go “he’s gay until proven otherwise” for all eternity anymore. I’m saying that bi invisibility and us getting rolled into being gay comes from the assumption that, inherently, kissing someone of the same gender means the character is gay, even though there are other sexual identities that do the same thing.
So instead of going “it’s not their fault, she’s kissed a girl on-panel and not a boy, so it makes sense to assume she’s gay” you should think of it as “Ruth has kissed a girl so the only thing she definitely isn’t is straight.”
Amias
Willis has referred to Ruth as bisexual multiple times, but I don’t remember if Ruth herself has used a specific term.
Jason gives a shit about consent in theory, just like he gave a shit about being a good educator in theory.
In practice? The last we saw of him where sexual consent was concerned, he’d exploited (deliberately or accidentally) his positional power over a student. It wasn’t completely non-consensual, but consent has a bit of a gray border between “they’re definitely not consenting” and “they’re definitely consenting”.
It seems like Jason thought Sal was definitely enthusiastically consenting when she was actually agreeing in the presence of moderate academic duress that was at least into that gray border, perhaps all the way past the border, and certainly not enthusiastic.
Without commenting more than that on whether or how much Jason was in the wrong with Sal (because I’ve already said my piece on that a bunch of times), it points to a significant lack of caution on his part where consent is concerned. Even if Sal were enthusiastically consenting (and it seems he thought she was), the situation was such where he should have (at the very, very, very, minimum and less than that even) been alert that what appeared on the surface to be consent may have been… not so much consent. (And there were a lot of problems involved in there BEYOND consent, which I’m not commenting on here.)
Having had a few drinks doesn’t necessarily make someone unable to consent. They don’t magically lose the ability to say yes and have it mean yes just because there’s a bit of booze in them. Three sheets to the wind and not able to understand what’s happening, that’s definitely nonconsensual, as is nearly- or entirely passed out. But in between the extremes of that and perfect sobriety can be less clear. That sort of grayness, combined with Jason’s precedent of incaution, worries me a little bit here.
…..
Oh, wait, this is Ruth we’re talking about, she’s clearly sobered up by this point, and his femurs and other bones appear entirely intact. So yeah, anything that happened was consensual.
I mean I’m not an expert but I don’t think the issue between Sal and Jason is really one of consent.
anonymsly
I agree, consent was not their issue. He didn’t even gesture in the direction of putting sex in the same room with Sal before she decided to half-strip and climb in his lap.
Frankly, if consent was iffy on either side there, I’d actually be inclined to wonder about Jason’s, if he hadn’t later specifically said he said yes to the sex.
thejeff
On the surface, it isn’t, but on a deeper level the reason we have rules about sexual relations when there are power imbalances – like teachers or like employers, is that consent is always problematic when dealing with someone you have power over.
Why are you suggesting that Sal may not have been consenting, while totally ignoring the fact that Jason might not have been?
Power imbalance issues are definitely a thing, but this seems to be the opposite case, really.
I kinda don’t want it to happen now. Not because Ruth banged Jason but because she blew Daisy off only to bang Jason. It kind of undercuts the idea she was self conscious about the expectations of that date. Ruth just wasn’t really into Daisy. That’s fine, but Daisy deserves a girl just as into her as she would be into them.
plasticwrap
Alcohol is a helluva drug.
Mr D
I’m prepared to wipe egg off my face for this but, I don’t think they banged? Jason’s been very upfront about the whole “being drunk is being dumb” thing the last few pages he’s been on.
Sirksome
True and I could wiping egg off mine for making a rational assumption based on the images presented. Which would be falling for a manipulation. My only defense is we don’t know how much time it has been. Did the derby happen the same night as the date? Is this the day after both? I don’t know. Also not sure Jason has the best track record on sex ethics considering he banged a student. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow who the egg face is. Should be fun!
Thag Simmons
I think this is the next day?
Sirksome
I’m not sure. I usually run off the idea that each storyline typically starts and ends on its own day though I don’t know if that’s a regular pattern. So if the Walky’s hot now thing happened on Thursday then the roller derby was on Friday night which would make today Saturday in comic just as an example. I never actually know what day it is in comic. But that might not even matter. Some people have made good points as to the topic of Ruth’s consent vs drunkeness so I’m not sure what to think. I don’t know why it would be this ambiguous if he really just walked her home. Why sleep in her dorm room? Ugh. I’ve so overthought this now!
Thag Simmons
I definitely don’t think a day has passed since the Derby game. That was earlier in the morning from this comic.
anonymsly
Maybe he wanted to make sure her new meds really didn’t have side effects; she had to go to the hospital last time and he knows that. Maybe she wanted company to watch old hockey games, or just didn’t want to be alone on her birthday and thought that someone she could talk to was a good option for company. Who knows? We don’t yet.
Whatever the case may have been, at this point Ruth seems to have no problem with his presence or reasons for being present. She’s an adult, he’s an adult, he’s no longer any percentage teacher, and certainly wasn’t any percentage HER teacher even when he actually had that percentage. Hell, he’s probably not even that much older than she is. Why would it necessarily be a problem if they hooked up? The issues that existed with Sal don’t exist here, and there’s no real evidence of others. (Yet.)
Sirksome
@anonymsly There’s nothing wrong with them hooking up. As you noted Ruth seems fine. Unless some problematic details are revealed what happened doesn’t really matter. My issue is that I liked the Ruth and Daisy pairing and regardless of what actually happened between Ruth and Jason they are together right now. That means Ruth chose to spend time with him over Daisy. Even if she was nervous about being with Daisy that night, she still blew her off through text to hangout with someone else. Either she didn’t like Daisy that much or didn’t trust her which tells me any future relationship with Daisy beyond maybe friendship has no hope. Even if Jason shook Ruth’s hand and said “Well good luck with courting Daisy.” before leaving. I wouldn’t want Daisy to be involved with her like that. That bums me out since I was invested. Turned out to be a waste of time. The only way to save this. Would be if Daisy is also in that room.
BBCC
Each storyline, except where a time skip is noted, is the day after the previous one. Roller derby went past midnight, which is what we saw. This is later the same day.
Sirksome
But was the date night also the same night as roller derby? That’s my confusion.
milu
i get the feeling that generally speaking one storyline = one day, but i’m sure there’ve been exceptions?
thejeff
Yes. Just after midnight, so on a different day.
There was only one strip, of Lucy and Walky cuddling, between Daisy leaving the bar with Jason and Ruth still there and the start of the roller derby game.
thejeff
I think there’s only been one exception – one early storyline had a multiday skip a couple strips in, clearly noted in a caption. Otherwise each storyline has been one day with any time skips in between and clearly noted.
This is probably pretty naive, but I’m still hanging on to the idea that they didn’t bang, mostly because it hasn’t been explicitly stated yet. Maybe Jason just helped her get home, and they did just talk all night? She was pretty wasted, and they really did seem to click on a surface level. Ruth seems like she might need someone to talk to that she doesn’t have previous baggage with. Again, probably naive, but I do love to see the S.S. Friendship sail too.
253 thoughts on “Abreast”
Ana Chronistic
Jace, why you ALSO answer the door, you wuz a T.A., not a R.A.
Johan
He doesn’t understand being sneaky
newlland(Henryvolt)
*Audible gasp*
Clif
Yes. I totally did not see that coming.
Clif
and yet, after the last time we saw them, I should have.
Demoted Oblivious
Meh. Don’t beat yourself up. No-one else saw them *ahem* coming either. The door was closed and Ruth doesn’t have a roommate.
Anthony Paoli
Seconded!
jupiterror
this is priceless
Clif
But I’m betting there’s a cost.
Demoted Oblivious
But what an opportunity!
Demoted Oblivious
Ugh… re-reading this, I cringed when realizing my pun about ‘opportunity cost’ is probably too subtle compared to the rapey-sounding taking advantage of a drunk patron.
Demoted Oblivious
Wow. still strugglung with wording today. mea-culpa
milu
fwiw i immediately got that the joke was a pun on “opportunity cost” =)
being economics-ly illiterate i can’t tell how witty it was but it really just sounded too much like a jolly old pun for me to dig any deeper
Delavan
Yeah, same. I thought it was an econ pun too. I don’t think reasonable people thought you were being cringe. Don’t be hard on yourself!
Wagstaff
Let’s just ask ourselves: what was Ruth’s next best alternative to Jason?
Clif
Galasso.
Both were a bit down the list, but Galasso was next.
Wagstaff
What about Daisy? I mean, Ruth essentially gave up the opportunity to be with her that night. Thus Daisy would be her opportunity cost.
Wagstaff
Looks like she had one drink too many last night…
Shitbird
I don’t think they hooked up, more likely he helped her back to her room and slept on the floor to make sure she was okay
Jammy
Based on their interaction at the bar, I assume the best, but also wonder how he could have gotten off work to make all this happen.
Clif
She could have hung around until he got off work.
RassilonTDavros
I would “joke” that this isn’t what it looks like, but… it probably actually isn’t. Jason actually gives a shit about consent, so I’m betting he just escorted her home and then spent the night because he was tired.
Samantha
I actually think it may not be though I do like the idea of them and think it could work
Adalisa
They can work and I think it works better if he just escorted her home precisely because a person who gives a shit about consent and not abusing your partner is whom Ruthless needs.
Proxiehunter
Except I was under the impression that unlike Jenifer who’s bi Ruth is a lesbian. Could have sworn she said that at some point.
Sam
Nope. Ruth is bisexual. They had a ‘sexy lesbian suicide pact’ but both herself and Billie are bisexual.
RassilonTDavros
I think the common misconception arises in part from the fact that Billie/Jennifer is the only Ruth relationship that’s ever gotten any significant attention from the narrative, in either continuity. However, she did have at least one boyfriend back in high school (a Dumbiverse alt version of a character from an old webcomic that was never finished), and it’s not like they broke up because she wasn’t into him— it was because Gramps up and moved her (insert inordinately large number here) miles away and uprooted her entire life.
(Let’s just forget that one Walkyverse flashback story where she dated Ryan because nope nope nope)
Segnosaur
There was also some dialog from an earlier comic where she was asked (by her brother i think) whether she was gay now because she was dating billie/jennifer. She responded “maybe?”
Thag Simmons
Ruth had a boyfriend back in Canada.
King Daniel
And Willis also drew art of Danny/Jennifer/Ruth for Bisexual Awareness Day some years back.
jeffepp
In the old comic, they were a kind of threesome. Kinda. Just, not all at once.
Sam Smith
A boyfriend in Canada?
Sounds familiar somehow….
Clif
I suspect that there are many people with a boyfriend in Canada.
Now mind you, many of those people are in Canada themselves. But still.
Demoted Oblivious
We tend to have American girl/boy-friends, or sometimes Quebecois. Allegedly crossing provincial boundaries is also effective.
wilddeath
Funnily enough my best friend actually married his canadian girlfriend a few years back then moved up there to be with her. now he is part canadian, they did the blood moon sacrifice for the CONVERSION ritual and everything.
Spencer
Man if y’all are surprised Ruth is bi you are gonna flip when you learn she’s also Canadian.
thejeff
Outside of the comments, Canadian has come up much more often than bi.
Spencer
Jeff I’m gonna be real with you. If the assumption of a character’s sexuality when it comes to same sex relationships is that they are always gay, that doesn’t mean we need to constantly clarify that. That means y’all need to stop assuming one thing.
You’re the wrong one here. Please stop acting like your inability to change an extremely simple assumption is worth digging your heels into.
thejeff
huh?
I don’t even follow.
People are often surprised by rarely referenced character traits, even if they’re well known to people who follow the story closely. More people will be surprised to learn she’s bi than that she’s Canadian because Canadian is a more prominent character trait. That is literally all I was saying.
I know bi invisibility is a thing, but at the same time, people miss character traits all the time. Hell, there was someone earlier today who didn’t even think Ruth and Jason had met.
Spencer
I’m saying if you see a dude kissing another dude you can’t just go “he’s gay until proven otherwise” for all eternity anymore. I’m saying that bi invisibility and us getting rolled into being gay comes from the assumption that, inherently, kissing someone of the same gender means the character is gay, even though there are other sexual identities that do the same thing.
So instead of going “it’s not their fault, she’s kissed a girl on-panel and not a boy, so it makes sense to assume she’s gay” you should think of it as “Ruth has kissed a girl so the only thing she definitely isn’t is straight.”
Amias
Willis has referred to Ruth as bisexual multiple times, but I don’t remember if Ruth herself has used a specific term.
Reltzik
Jason gives a shit about consent in theory, just like he gave a shit about being a good educator in theory.
In practice? The last we saw of him where sexual consent was concerned, he’d exploited (deliberately or accidentally) his positional power over a student. It wasn’t completely non-consensual, but consent has a bit of a gray border between “they’re definitely not consenting” and “they’re definitely consenting”.
It seems like Jason thought Sal was definitely enthusiastically consenting when she was actually agreeing in the presence of moderate academic duress that was at least into that gray border, perhaps all the way past the border, and certainly not enthusiastic.
Without commenting more than that on whether or how much Jason was in the wrong with Sal (because I’ve already said my piece on that a bunch of times), it points to a significant lack of caution on his part where consent is concerned. Even if Sal were enthusiastically consenting (and it seems he thought she was), the situation was such where he should have (at the very, very, very, minimum and less than that even) been alert that what appeared on the surface to be consent may have been… not so much consent. (And there were a lot of problems involved in there BEYOND consent, which I’m not commenting on here.)
Having had a few drinks doesn’t necessarily make someone unable to consent. They don’t magically lose the ability to say yes and have it mean yes just because there’s a bit of booze in them. Three sheets to the wind and not able to understand what’s happening, that’s definitely nonconsensual, as is nearly- or entirely passed out. But in between the extremes of that and perfect sobriety can be less clear. That sort of grayness, combined with Jason’s precedent of incaution, worries me a little bit here.
…..
Oh, wait, this is Ruth we’re talking about, she’s clearly sobered up by this point, and his femurs and other bones appear entirely intact. So yeah, anything that happened was consensual.
Thag Simmons
I mean I’m not an expert but I don’t think the issue between Sal and Jason is really one of consent.
anonymsly
I agree, consent was not their issue. He didn’t even gesture in the direction of putting sex in the same room with Sal before she decided to half-strip and climb in his lap.
Frankly, if consent was iffy on either side there, I’d actually be inclined to wonder about Jason’s, if he hadn’t later specifically said he said yes to the sex.
thejeff
On the surface, it isn’t, but on a deeper level the reason we have rules about sexual relations when there are power imbalances – like teachers or like employers, is that consent is always problematic when dealing with someone you have power over.
:0
Why are you suggesting that Sal may not have been consenting, while totally ignoring the fact that Jason might not have been?
Power imbalance issues are definitely a thing, but this seems to be the opposite case, really.
jeffepp
This is the morning of the next day. He was there overnight.
And as for Jason and consent, lets ask… let me check my notes here, oh yeah… SAL about that. She might have opinions.
Mr D
Yeah, Sal might have not cared about Jason’s consent alright.
darkoneko
Se escorted Sal back to the dorm once, too. Even tho they were on pretty bad terms at the time
Sirksome
Aw! There goes my Daisy ship!…..Along with the idea two people can just talk without banging! A big loss for ol’ Sirk today!
Reltzik
It’s not sunk, there’s just another yacht in the regatta.
Sirksome
I kinda don’t want it to happen now. Not because Ruth banged Jason but because she blew Daisy off only to bang Jason. It kind of undercuts the idea she was self conscious about the expectations of that date. Ruth just wasn’t really into Daisy. That’s fine, but Daisy deserves a girl just as into her as she would be into them.
plasticwrap
Alcohol is a helluva drug.
Mr D
I’m prepared to wipe egg off my face for this but, I don’t think they banged? Jason’s been very upfront about the whole “being drunk is being dumb” thing the last few pages he’s been on.
Sirksome
True and I could wiping egg off mine for making a rational assumption based on the images presented. Which would be falling for a manipulation. My only defense is we don’t know how much time it has been. Did the derby happen the same night as the date? Is this the day after both? I don’t know. Also not sure Jason has the best track record on sex ethics considering he banged a student. I guess we’ll find out tomorrow who the egg face is. Should be fun!
Thag Simmons
I think this is the next day?
Sirksome
I’m not sure. I usually run off the idea that each storyline typically starts and ends on its own day though I don’t know if that’s a regular pattern. So if the Walky’s hot now thing happened on Thursday then the roller derby was on Friday night which would make today Saturday in comic just as an example. I never actually know what day it is in comic. But that might not even matter. Some people have made good points as to the topic of Ruth’s consent vs drunkeness so I’m not sure what to think. I don’t know why it would be this ambiguous if he really just walked her home. Why sleep in her dorm room? Ugh. I’ve so overthought this now!
Thag Simmons
I definitely don’t think a day has passed since the Derby game. That was earlier in the morning from this comic.
anonymsly
Maybe he wanted to make sure her new meds really didn’t have side effects; she had to go to the hospital last time and he knows that. Maybe she wanted company to watch old hockey games, or just didn’t want to be alone on her birthday and thought that someone she could talk to was a good option for company. Who knows? We don’t yet.
Whatever the case may have been, at this point Ruth seems to have no problem with his presence or reasons for being present. She’s an adult, he’s an adult, he’s no longer any percentage teacher, and certainly wasn’t any percentage HER teacher even when he actually had that percentage. Hell, he’s probably not even that much older than she is. Why would it necessarily be a problem if they hooked up? The issues that existed with Sal don’t exist here, and there’s no real evidence of others. (Yet.)
Sirksome
@anonymsly There’s nothing wrong with them hooking up. As you noted Ruth seems fine. Unless some problematic details are revealed what happened doesn’t really matter. My issue is that I liked the Ruth and Daisy pairing and regardless of what actually happened between Ruth and Jason they are together right now. That means Ruth chose to spend time with him over Daisy. Even if she was nervous about being with Daisy that night, she still blew her off through text to hangout with someone else. Either she didn’t like Daisy that much or didn’t trust her which tells me any future relationship with Daisy beyond maybe friendship has no hope. Even if Jason shook Ruth’s hand and said “Well good luck with courting Daisy.” before leaving. I wouldn’t want Daisy to be involved with her like that. That bums me out since I was invested. Turned out to be a waste of time. The only way to save this. Would be if Daisy is also in that room.
BBCC
Each storyline, except where a time skip is noted, is the day after the previous one. Roller derby went past midnight, which is what we saw. This is later the same day.
Sirksome
But was the date night also the same night as roller derby? That’s my confusion.
milu
i get the feeling that generally speaking one storyline = one day, but i’m sure there’ve been exceptions?
thejeff
Yes. Just after midnight, so on a different day.
There was only one strip, of Lucy and Walky cuddling, between Daisy leaving the bar with Jason and Ruth still there and the start of the roller derby game.
thejeff
I think there’s only been one exception – one early storyline had a multiday skip a couple strips in, clearly noted in a caption. Otherwise each storyline has been one day with any time skips in between and clearly noted.
seen2much
The Daisy Ship can join the Ruthless Armada
Lanie
This is probably pretty naive, but I’m still hanging on to the idea that they didn’t bang, mostly because it hasn’t been explicitly stated yet. Maybe Jason just helped her get home, and they did just talk all night? She was pretty wasted, and they really did seem to click on a surface level. Ruth seems like she might need someone to talk to that she doesn’t have previous baggage with. Again, probably naive, but I do love to see the S.S. Friendship sail too.
Demoted Oblivious
Agreed. S.S. Friendship is awesome. Also, welcome to the Sarah Club Lanie.
May I enquire as to your pronunciation? LAWN-ee, LAY-knee, other?
milu
Lanie like Kanye?
Lanie
I’m thrilled to be in the Sarah club! I hope I do the avatar proud. You got it with the second one, LAY-knee.
Samantha
Loooll I don’t hate it actually
Schpoonman
What.
Josh Spicer
“Ruth I thought you were gay.”
“I am.”
“I slept on the floor. My back hurts.”