Yeah like…I wanted to believe in this. I really did. Lucy had started to grow on me. But the same does not seem to be true for Walky, and honestly some of the things she’s done have given me pause. She’s a fine person but taking this way too quickly. I don’t see a happy ending for her with Walky; they seem to want different things.
I think he genuinely likes things about her but he’s definitely got an allergy to the more serious parts of intimacy and relationships. He’s probably also dealing with some emotional stuff from his past 2 relationships and he’s not emotionally intelligent enough to sort them out.
Allergy or not, they’ve been dating for a very short period of time and it’s entirely reasonable for him to be uncomfortable with the rate Lucy seems to be wanting to move
Vukodlak
Yeah it may seem weird to have a story arc where the guy wants to take things slow and the girl is ready to mount him right away. Its actually pretty understanding that Walky would want a more casual relationship after the seriousness of the last two.
Nicoleandmaggie
In reality though it’s really not that weird. It’s just weird in the land of tropes.
Part of our “the talk” is going to include (along with the tea video on consent) that it is 100% ok for boys to say no and to not be ready too.
Nicoleandmaggie
Oh! And the third date thing is also a trope! Just realized part of Lucy’s thing is that she mentally lives in a trope world and Dumbing of Age is more reality based (toe dad and mafia not withstanding).
Willis is brilliant. OMG.
Zaxares
While that’s true, we also need to remember that Walky didn’t have much trouble hopping into the sack with Dorothy after a relatively short period of time too. I think the more likely conclusion is that, while Walky DOES like Lucy, he may not be very attracted to her physically. (It doesn’t have to be a looks thing either. You can find somebody beautiful yet not want to have sex with them. Physical attraction is kinda weird that way.)
thejeff
Or he’d be fine with doing sexy things with Lucy, but he’s currently too freaked out by her declaration of love.
Though in this case, it’s Lucy who screwed up the communication by misreading a perfectly normal thing Walky said. Now he’s got to figure out how to fix it without crushing her, which isn’t going to be easy.
i mean he said ‘corpse of fortress of solitude’ so i thought that was him saying goodbye/celebrating it in a way? but comic aside i suppose it would be awkward if he had spent 5 mins in silence climbing up
I don’t think Walky doesn’t care. I think Walky is very much associating this offer with Lucy’s extremely-premature-to-him “I love you” (probably accurately), which gives him a choice to either take advantage of a misunderstanding to get some that means something a lot more to her than it does to him, or have a serious feelings conversation that is going to hurt Lucy, or avoid. As in most things, Walky chooses avoid.
Yeah, “doesn’t care” is way off base – unless you believe that’s the only reason a guy could turn down sex. He’s still thrown by her misreading of his casual “what I love about you”. That’s going to be a real awkward conversation to have. “I don’t love you” is much harder to deal with than just not saying it yet. Or even than not saying it back. Even with a “yet” at the end of it.
‘Doesn’t care.” Is probably a bit harsh, but my comment was meant to be more humorous than a serious analysis of the situation. That being said it is probably a sign of his feelings for Lucy (if he has much of any) being nowhere near as strong as hers are for him if he’s ignoring her attempts at seduction. I honestly believe they would not be dating yet if Dorothy hadn’t stepped in.
thejeff
I think it was pretty clear that his feelings aren’t as strong as her from his reaction to her declaration of love. But that seems to me more of a problem with her than him – at least a week into the relationship.
I suspect his reaction to the seduction attempt would different without that context.
it seems like she’s willing to do some stuff that isn’t necessarily sex but overall that ‘third date’ stuff always seemed rush to me esp at a younger age (would zillenial/gen z kids even know about that ‘tradition’ to begin with [tho other than having been friends for years or so, it seems even faster if it was like a blind date or matching through tinder and attempted relationships through there])
Not necessarily a rush to sex, but with it coming right after her misreading him and jump to “I love you too”, she’s jumped too fast emotionally and is probably upping the physical ante in response. Why wait for the third date, they’ve agreed they’re in love, right? (And of course, like Joyce, Lucy is horny and it’s likely throwing off her emotional judgement. Easy to do.)
I don’t know if Walky would have a problem getting physical, if it didn’t seem like it was under false pretences.
Inahc
yeah. I’m the type to start with sex and then consider a relationship, and I’m *still* highly uncomfortable with lucy’s behaviour.
I forget the exact number of days, but haven’t they been Officially Dating for like a week? I know she’s had her crush for months and yadda yadda, but he’s only just decided to make it A Thing. People wanna act like it’s “immature”, but I’d probably balk at this amount of speed from a partner, too.
Walky seems like he’s been dealing with some stuff since his roommate died and probably not in the healthiest way, and I don’t think he’s really ready or interested in a serious relationship.
Yeah. He seems to think he can joke his way out of feeling grief. It can’t be done.
NPR had a good radio story today on grief. Sometimes I think I can feel storybook grief at fictional deaths more sincerely than I can feel grief in real life.
…I think doing COVID work might have just dried up all the grief receptors.
Yup. After all the calamity and catastrophe we’ve seen the past few years, you just get numb to it. Sometimes I worry whether or not I can’t feel it anymore, but when I do feel it, i feel A LOT, and I can’t handle it. It’s the emotional equivalent of trying to use a fire hose made of paper mache! ?
I don’t believe that’s really true beyond liking cartoons. Dorothy and Amber both have superficial similarities to Lucy but have shown a confidence in their relationship Lucy doesn’t. Amber may be an antisocial hermit and Dorothy is a bookish peopl pleaser, but neither would sit around quietly hoping a guy notices them.
idk how long it’ll last compared to amber and dorothy but i’d hope a part of him would’ve wanted to date lucy as opposed to dorothy ‘telling’ him to but we know they’ve been hanging out and having lunch/dinner as friends before walky called it ‘romantic dinner’/didn’t rly seem like lucy was forcing her way into walky’s free time and him just putting up with her
No I mean like, in the middle panels Walky and Lucy look like they’re more saturated and less contrast than usual in the colors ?
Sol
Oh good it’s not just me. I thought I’d accidentally changed a setting on my laptop or chrome, comic looks oddly lightened or like there’s a thin mist covering it.
HueSatLight
That’s what I mean. Like a car that’s been driving through slush has that dusty grayness fading it’s color.
HueSatLight
The last strip they were in front of the pile, their silhouettes were a light black (brightness of 18/100), but the black in the close up (hair) was true black (0/100). In today’s strip, a bunch of what’s normally the true black has been set to the light black. The rest of the pallet seems to be approximately the same as before.
That actually threw me off, because geek that I am, I was specifically trying to match it to the Fortress of Solitude theme (a variation on the one for Krypton).
Oof, but yeah if I had just realized she was way more serious about it than me (from the love word, not from the proposition), that would probably be my first reaction
THEN I’d actually have the conversation, because I’m not Walky.
Yeaaaah, I cannot blame him for trying to immediately put distance but I definitely think he needs to have that conversation ASAP. It’s doing neither of them a service to avoid it.
Unfortunately, we’ve seen how Walky deals with problems already, and “ignore it hoping it will resolve itself” tends to be pretty high on that list. Oh dear.
Now that’s a fair critique of Walky. To be fair, this is a really tricky conversation to have and it’s not unreasonable to let him have a bit of time to deal with it. There are a lot of responses here that basically end the relationship right now.
195 thoughts on “Count”
Ana Chronistic
Farmer: “Walky, WTF”
Snake: “YOU KNEW MY NATURE”
CitrineMonster
Walky just doesnt really seem to enjoy dating lucy.
Jenniffniff
And everyone else notices except her ☹️
Pylgrim
I’m literally cringing all the time. Please let it end. Neither character deserves this.
pope suburban
Yeah like…I wanted to believe in this. I really did. Lucy had started to grow on me. But the same does not seem to be true for Walky, and honestly some of the things she’s done have given me pause. She’s a fine person but taking this way too quickly. I don’t see a happy ending for her with Walky; they seem to want different things.
Arawn
I think he genuinely likes things about her but he’s definitely got an allergy to the more serious parts of intimacy and relationships. He’s probably also dealing with some emotional stuff from his past 2 relationships and he’s not emotionally intelligent enough to sort them out.
Wereg
Allergy or not, they’ve been dating for a very short period of time and it’s entirely reasonable for him to be uncomfortable with the rate Lucy seems to be wanting to move
Vukodlak
Yeah it may seem weird to have a story arc where the guy wants to take things slow and the girl is ready to mount him right away. Its actually pretty understanding that Walky would want a more casual relationship after the seriousness of the last two.
Nicoleandmaggie
In reality though it’s really not that weird. It’s just weird in the land of tropes.
Part of our “the talk” is going to include (along with the tea video on consent) that it is 100% ok for boys to say no and to not be ready too.
Nicoleandmaggie
Oh! And the third date thing is also a trope! Just realized part of Lucy’s thing is that she mentally lives in a trope world and Dumbing of Age is more reality based (toe dad and mafia not withstanding).
Willis is brilliant. OMG.
Zaxares
While that’s true, we also need to remember that Walky didn’t have much trouble hopping into the sack with Dorothy after a relatively short period of time too. I think the more likely conclusion is that, while Walky DOES like Lucy, he may not be very attracted to her physically. (It doesn’t have to be a looks thing either. You can find somebody beautiful yet not want to have sex with them. Physical attraction is kinda weird that way.)
thejeff
Or he’d be fine with doing sexy things with Lucy, but he’s currently too freaked out by her declaration of love.
Johan
The hell is communication?
Stu
Well, this IS Walky, he of “I GIVE TO YOU!!!!” flirting.
Stu
My apologies, it’s actually “I GIVE IT TO YOU” https://www.dumbingofage.com/2010/comic/book-1/02-uphill-from-here/throw/
thejeff
Though in this case, it’s Lucy who screwed up the communication by misreading a perfectly normal thing Walky said. Now he’s got to figure out how to fix it without crushing her, which isn’t going to be easy.
Yumi
But, Walky, you’re Sal’s brother! Any date you go on is going to involve somebody’s brother.
Dana
Beat me to the punch.
Sirksome
I think Lucy just offered some good old fashioned grab ass and Walky doesn’t care. Ouch.
anon
i mean he said ‘corpse of fortress of solitude’ so i thought that was him saying goodbye/celebrating it in a way? but comic aside i suppose it would be awkward if he had spent 5 mins in silence climbing up
Perdellian
I think the corpse bit is a reference the snow hill melting
Yotomoe
I prefer good old fashioned grab ass to the modern, updated grab ass. Grab ass was perfect, they never needed to come out with a reboot.
Needfuldoer
“I used to be ‘with it’, then they changed what ‘it’ was!”
Kyoulkoa
Slapass!
Aura
*rebooty
No? No? ok
Tan
I don’t think Walky doesn’t care. I think Walky is very much associating this offer with Lucy’s extremely-premature-to-him “I love you” (probably accurately), which gives him a choice to either take advantage of a misunderstanding to get some that means something a lot more to her than it does to him, or have a serious feelings conversation that is going to hurt Lucy, or avoid. As in most things, Walky chooses avoid.
thejeff
Yeah, “doesn’t care” is way off base – unless you believe that’s the only reason a guy could turn down sex. He’s still thrown by her misreading of his casual “what I love about you”. That’s going to be a real awkward conversation to have. “I don’t love you” is much harder to deal with than just not saying it yet. Or even than not saying it back. Even with a “yet” at the end of it.
Sirksome
‘Doesn’t care.” Is probably a bit harsh, but my comment was meant to be more humorous than a serious analysis of the situation. That being said it is probably a sign of his feelings for Lucy (if he has much of any) being nowhere near as strong as hers are for him if he’s ignoring her attempts at seduction. I honestly believe they would not be dating yet if Dorothy hadn’t stepped in.
thejeff
I think it was pretty clear that his feelings aren’t as strong as her from his reaction to her declaration of love. But that seems to me more of a problem with her than him – at least a week into the relationship.
I suspect his reaction to the seduction attempt would different without that context.
Azhrei Vep
I’m not entirely sure Walky even heard the grabass offer. I think he started climbing as soon as he was off-panel.
Stephen Bierce
*plays Styx’s “Snow Blind” on the radio of a passing car*
Decidedly Orthogonal
What’s the timestamp/range of the Doppler effect? (do we get a secret “Wah-wah” embedded in the song due to its method of presentation?)
Joy
Lucy’s that girlfriend that moves way too fast. She’s such a nice person, but…
Nova
I mean, she’s moving at her own speed, she just needs a partner who moves that quickly too and she’ll be fine.
Being incompatible with someone doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with her.
Johan
It’s argue she isn’t moving that quickly considering she was “dating” Walky without him knowing for a couple months.
He just hasn’t caught up
anon
it seems like she’s willing to do some stuff that isn’t necessarily sex but overall that ‘third date’ stuff always seemed rush to me esp at a younger age (would zillenial/gen z kids even know about that ‘tradition’ to begin with [tho other than having been friends for years or so, it seems even faster if it was like a blind date or matching through tinder and attempted relationships through there])
thejeff
Not necessarily a rush to sex, but with it coming right after her misreading him and jump to “I love you too”, she’s jumped too fast emotionally and is probably upping the physical ante in response. Why wait for the third date, they’ve agreed they’re in love, right? (And of course, like Joyce, Lucy is horny and it’s likely throwing off her emotional judgement. Easy to do.)
I don’t know if Walky would have a problem getting physical, if it didn’t seem like it was under false pretences.
Inahc
yeah. I’m the type to start with sex and then consider a relationship, and I’m *still* highly uncomfortable with lucy’s behaviour.
Taffy
I forget the exact number of days, but haven’t they been Officially Dating for like a week? I know she’s had her crush for months and yadda yadda, but he’s only just decided to make it A Thing. People wanna act like it’s “immature”, but I’d probably balk at this amount of speed from a partner, too.
HueSatLight
He asked her out in Hompk! so they are a few hours short of exactly one week.
Thag Simmons
Kind of feels like something’s about to collapse here.
Reltzik
Yeah, that fortress-corpse is definitely not a safe place to stand.
King Daniel
Dumbing of Age Book XIII: Just Let Me Stand Atop the Wretched Corpse of My Fortress of Solitude
Laura
Dude, I am UP for it. I could GO for a fortress of solitude, sometimes!
saltchocolate
Yes
Opus the Poet
Works for me coming off a night with sub-zero wind chills.
Marvelman
On paper, Lucy would seem to tick a number of boxes for Walky. I guess the chemistry just isn’t there.
The Wellerman
Don’t be so sure. Walky’s just a bit distracted, that’s all.
Thag Simmons
Walky seems like he’s been dealing with some stuff since his roommate died and probably not in the healthiest way, and I don’t think he’s really ready or interested in a serious relationship.
Laura
Yeah. He seems to think he can joke his way out of feeling grief. It can’t be done.
NPR had a good radio story today on grief. Sometimes I think I can feel storybook grief at fictional deaths more sincerely than I can feel grief in real life.
…I think doing COVID work might have just dried up all the grief receptors.
The Wellerman
Yup. After all the calamity and catastrophe we’ve seen the past few years, you just get numb to it. Sometimes I worry whether or not I can’t feel it anymore, but when I do feel it, i feel A LOT, and I can’t handle it. It’s the emotional equivalent of trying to use a fire hose made of paper mache! ?
Sirksome
I don’t believe that’s really true beyond liking cartoons. Dorothy and Amber both have superficial similarities to Lucy but have shown a confidence in their relationship Lucy doesn’t. Amber may be an antisocial hermit and Dorothy is a bookish peopl pleaser, but neither would sit around quietly hoping a guy notices them.
anon
idk how long it’ll last compared to amber and dorothy but i’d hope a part of him would’ve wanted to date lucy as opposed to dorothy ‘telling’ him to but we know they’ve been hanging out and having lunch/dinner as friends before walky called it ‘romantic dinner’/didn’t rly seem like lucy was forcing her way into walky’s free time and him just putting up with her
GeekyWarrior
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2021/comic/book-11/04-hompk/romantic-2/
It even sounds like he’s checking off boxes :'(
thejeff
Are you reading this as him just not being interested in the offer? Because of a lack of chemistry?
The Wellerman
RE: alt-text, is that a meme I missed or a song I can’t identify? ?
Also, is it just me or is there a subtle change to the color scheme here?
HueSatLight
Superman(1978) theme song.
They look kind of like they’ve got dirty snow grime on them.
The Wellerman
No I mean like, in the middle panels Walky and Lucy look like they’re more saturated and less contrast than usual in the colors ?
Sol
Oh good it’s not just me. I thought I’d accidentally changed a setting on my laptop or chrome, comic looks oddly lightened or like there’s a thin mist covering it.
HueSatLight
That’s what I mean. Like a car that’s been driving through slush has that dusty grayness fading it’s color.
HueSatLight
The last strip they were in front of the pile, their silhouettes were a light black (brightness of 18/100), but the black in the close up (hair) was true black (0/100). In today’s strip, a bunch of what’s normally the true black has been set to the light black. The rest of the pallet seems to be approximately the same as before.
Johannes
Or it would have been the Superman theme but Willis missed a ‘bwa’ D:
StClair
That actually threw me off, because geek that I am, I was specifically trying to match it to the Fortress of Solitude theme (a variation on the one for Krypton).
TheKelliestKelly
Haha, I thought it was Careless Whisper and was in regards to what Lucy had alluded to.
Also, I fat fingered the reply and accidentally flagged your comment :/ sorry
Amós Batista
Maybe it’s fog…
Axel
Oof, but yeah if I had just realized she was way more serious about it than me (from the love word, not from the proposition), that would probably be my first reaction
THEN I’d actually have the conversation, because I’m not Walky.
Regalli
Yeaaaah, I cannot blame him for trying to immediately put distance but I definitely think he needs to have that conversation ASAP. It’s doing neither of them a service to avoid it.
Unfortunately, we’ve seen how Walky deals with problems already, and “ignore it hoping it will resolve itself” tends to be pretty high on that list. Oh dear.
thejeff
Now that’s a fair critique of Walky. To be fair, this is a really tricky conversation to have and it’s not unreasonable to let him have a bit of time to deal with it. There are a lot of responses here that basically end the relationship right now.
AGV
“I’m trying to tell you how horny I am”
Axel
“I’ve just come to tell you how horny I am”
Yotomoe