Historically, it would be those people who want first pick at all the old crap the wealthy had boxed up and put outside for whomever to make off with. Not that they would know what was in the boxes until after they opened it. I mean, if the boxes were even labeled, they’d be labeled based on the new presents they had previously held, not with whatever was discarded into it. So it was really a pig in a poke situation, except it was unlikely to move on its own and you probably wouldn’t need to feed it.
The thing most people remember about Mike was the extraordinarily large number of nickels he carried around, it was almost as if he never got paid in any other currency.
Not to shit on the dead, but yeah. We were privy to literally everything Mike did, including his decision to kill himself because he thought that was the only way to repent for his behavior.
He was not a good person, and I think anything Ethan is about to say here is gonna be bullshit.
Unfortunately, Booster being who they are….. this is not going to end well.
I didn’t think he tried to kill himself. He was just trying to stop Blaine.
cbwroses
Yeah. That wasn’t suicide by abusive dad, but I don’t think he had any illusions about how bad a decision that was about to be.
He just hoped it would be equally bad for both of them.
Thag Simmons
Stopping someone by tackling someone over a balcony has to be at least adjacent to trying to kill yourself.
Mark
Agreed, I think he paid out his life as the price of doing something he thought was worth it. Maybe it was more than one thing, I dunno, he didn’t say.
Azhrei Vep
I’m with CT. Not just because his books are fun, either.
I believe Mike knew that what he was doing put his life at risk, and he valued his life lowly enough in that moment to consider it a risk worth taking. It’s an important difference, I think.
I mean, he’s humouring him so far. He’s given him a prompt to go on about how he is the only one strong and courageous enough to remember Mike/the right way.
Nova
“I mean [they are] humouring him so far. [They have] given him a prompt…”
Booster’s pronouns are they/them, not he/him. Thanks!
Given that a lot of people seem ready to forgive Joe for his own (far more close to IRL) douchebaggery, I’m surprised people aren’t really ready to forgive Mike.
I think Mike is one of the most interesting characters in the strip. We see in flashbacks that at a young age that he prefers to sit in the back and hang out with the loners; he’s an observer and a judge, and deeply aware of institutional corruption and structural imbalance from a young age. We can see in his reaction to Sal and Jason, and the way he confronts Amber’s teacher.
As an observer and judge I think he sees Amber and Ethan as innocents who deserve better, and ultimately he wants to protect them. He uses his intelligence to try and find solutions to their problems that don’t disrupt their lives overmuch, such as when he blackmails Amber’s father and gets revenge on her teacher.
With Ethan, he literally offers his body as a safe space for Ethan to explore his sexuality. Based on my personal experience I think this is actually a form of self harm, but I don’t think this is lost on Willis either.
So although he does have an intensely coarse exterior, I really don’t think it’s worth passing judgment on him as harshly as I’ve seen here. What’s the worst thing he’s really *done*, besides say some nasty things? I think that’s just the tough outer shell of someone who knows that in reality, ugly words barely scratch the surface of real injustice.
Well I can remember that time he emotionally manipulated a high schooler who thought they were real friends into conducting a illicit, online affair with that teacher that was mean to Amber for the crime of being a girl that knows math, before dumping the dude.
Mike used a innocent guy to accomplish his own goals in a way that was creepy and potentially dangerous. This is fucked up and this was Mike. I get liking his character, but he does deserve whatever judgement people feel like giving. It’s okay to enjoy characters that do bad things even while judging them for it.
Shade of Blue
Yeah, you’re definitely right that his methods are shady. As I said, I think even the way he wants to protect Ethan is shady and self-destructive. I definitely spoke too soon asking what bad he’s really done.
Let’s not forget though that the teacher also assaulted Mike (a child at the time) directly after he confronted her. And as far as using that kid goes, he doesn’t exactly seem thrilled about his actions afterword. In the next comic you can see that he’s obviously conflicted.
But ultimately because Mike is dead now, we’ll never know if he had any potential to change his behavior, if he would get better or worse.
Tan
The implication there is definitely not that he thought they were ‘friends’, at least not without tacking on ‘with benefits’
I’m a pretty big critic of Joe, but I’m absolutely willing to forgive him (in addition to pointing that he really did need forgiveness, which a lot of people seem to forget. Joe’s trying to change. That’s important.
Mike did have a realization of how messed up his actions were in his last moments, but he died so he never got the chance to try to change.
No matter how shitty somebody was, there are still people who will feel genuine loss when they are gone. Ethan knew Mike for his whole life and understood some of his better points. It makes sense that he would grieve. It also makes sense that he’s upset the others don’t seem to care.
He united all people by giving us some common ground. Regardless of age, race, gender or sexual orientation, Mike somehow managed to sleep with all of their mothers. HE really brought us together.
But yeah, I think they are at least kind of being upfront with Ethan instead of the shit they pulled with Amber, which makes me think they might have at least internalized why that went poorly.
Walky and Lucy don’t seem to mind Booster much, but neither are characters known to be terribly unapproachable, so it probably takes a lot to hit a brick wall with those two.
Im not so sure that Walky can be offended by somebody telling him how it is, he understands that he is a Manchild and has fully accepted thats how he is gonna be for the rest of his life, the only time he seems to falter is when something pops up that might get in the way of that, like his grades falling.
Lucy just seems to have put herself behind so many walls that she fails to see anything that isnt already put as truth in her mind. Everything is Positive all the time in some way, to the point that she ignores anything close to a Red Flag. Booster would just try to tell her that she is wrong, she would say she isn’t wrong and then go about her day as if nothing happened.
Mike was a big ol’ fucko, but we made excuses for him because some of us remembered him from Shortpacked and he was less real there and more whimsically antagonistic. Oh whoops, 4th wall break.
Anyway, Booster took a lil, but I love them as much as the rest of the cast. Well played, Willis.
I don’t know Shortpacked, so all I saw was DoA’s version… And yes, he was just… Mike. I did not enjoy him because we only really got to know him when he was nearing his end. Very sad.
I remember semme Mike and he died fighting the martians, a real hero and not a bad guy overall when drunk. Not everyone has the fortitude to take that trip now, though. If you do, make sure to squint at every page, every gust of wind, and every magazine rack. That’s a slight spoiler but it will probably avail you not.
I feel like Dumbing of Age felt a lot sillier in the early parts so Mike still worked pretty well. I think Dumbing of age had sort of an unofficial drama tag pull where the world started to take itself a little more seriously. Which can make a reread a bit awkward.
“Dumbing of Age felt a lot sillier in the early parts”
The part where ambers dad put on a super villian costume? The whole kidnapping, murder, extortion, murder thing was a weird phase to read through. It was like, these are real kids, going through real problems, dealing with them in fairly real ways, to, oh, no, this is a superhero story where people jump from moving vans and walk away as things explode behind them and everyone is made of flubber.
And then at the halloween party, Walky made clear he was struggling with Mikes death, and it got real again.
Mike was a fucko. But he was also a fucko who would take a bullet (or this case, thrown himself off a flight of stairs) for his friends (DoA and Walkyverse versions).
Mike was better in Shortpacked, because that world was a lot more silly and his actions didn’t have the consequences they have in a more realistic world. And most of the targets of his asshole behavior in Shortpacked were annoying dumb customers at a store.
I never read shortpacked, and I could never decide how I felt about Mike. I feel like most of these characters strike a good balance of cartoonishness to realness, but Mike’s worst behaviours were… really bad. And I could just never settle on an opinion on him, even a nuanced one vs the overly black and white takes I often see on here.
Yeah but if I take my fingers and go like this ?, it’ll cover the T and Y, so “they” will look like “he”. I just have to keep that up forever and I’ll be able to justify anything I say.
I wonder if Walky has any feelings about Mike. I know he didn’t know him long but they were roommates and despite Mike treating him like shit Walky never really seemed to hate him.
There was something during the Halloween flashback where he said something really crass about Mike’s death but his follow-up when confronted on it amounted to, “Jesus Christ, I desperately need to not think about that for one night,” so it definitely hit him.
179 thoughts on “Flatly”
Ana Chronistic
Happy (un)Boxing Day
King Daniel
And if we’re talking other holidays that happen to fall today—for anyone else who celebrated Hannukah this year, hope you had a good one. 🙂
Twitcher
I’ve dream casted my favorite webcomics for years, and I think Thomas Vaccaro/Unicorn of War would fit Booster fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8TOA8-T6I4
Needfuldoer
Boxing day? Who’s fighting?
Some Ed
Historically, it would be those people who want first pick at all the old crap the wealthy had boxed up and put outside for whomever to make off with. Not that they would know what was in the boxes until after they opened it. I mean, if the boxes were even labeled, they’d be labeled based on the new presents they had previously held, not with whatever was discarded into it. So it was really a pig in a poke situation, except it was unlikely to move on its own and you probably wouldn’t need to feed it.
Stephen Bierce
I’m Gonna Tell/I’m Gonna Tell/I’m going to tattle and I’m gonna yell…
Opus the Poet
The thing most people remember about Mike was the extraordinarily large number of nickels he carried around, it was almost as if he never got paid in any other currency.
The Wellerman
???
It’s a Boxing Day miracle!
The Wellerman
*plays “Hanezeve Caradhina” from Made in Abyss OST on hacked muzak*
Amós Batista
Just loved this “holiday”. A charitable one; wish I have a day like this over here.
Nono
Flatly, like his hair.
True Survivor
Yes, to be fair, Mike’s hair was somehow a 2D object operating in three-dimensional space (and if you count ghost-mike across time itself).
Decidedly Orthogonal
Flatly, like Mike meeting the earth.
Sirksome
Meh, we readers knew more about Mike than most of the cast and I for one was not impressed.
Bryy
Not to shit on the dead, but yeah. We were privy to literally everything Mike did, including his decision to kill himself because he thought that was the only way to repent for his behavior.
He was not a good person, and I think anything Ethan is about to say here is gonna be bullshit.
Unfortunately, Booster being who they are….. this is not going to end well.
C.T. Phipps
I didn’t think he tried to kill himself. He was just trying to stop Blaine.
cbwroses
Yeah. That wasn’t suicide by abusive dad, but I don’t think he had any illusions about how bad a decision that was about to be.
He just hoped it would be equally bad for both of them.
Thag Simmons
Stopping someone by tackling someone over a balcony has to be at least adjacent to trying to kill yourself.
Mark
Agreed, I think he paid out his life as the price of doing something he thought was worth it. Maybe it was more than one thing, I dunno, he didn’t say.
Azhrei Vep
I’m with CT. Not just because his books are fun, either.
I believe Mike knew that what he was doing put his life at risk, and he valued his life lowly enough in that moment to consider it a risk worth taking. It’s an important difference, I think.
Leorale
Mike was indeed a terrible person.
But he was still special to Ethan, and Ethan needs to talk about him, and that’s okay.
Bryy
This, too.
Pylgrim
I mean, he’s humouring him so far. He’s given him a prompt to go on about how he is the only one strong and courageous enough to remember Mike/the right way.
Nova
“I mean [they are] humouring him so far. [They have] given him a prompt…”
Booster’s pronouns are they/them, not he/him. Thanks!
Pylgrim
Argh my bad!
Shade of Blue
Given that a lot of people seem ready to forgive Joe for his own (far more close to IRL) douchebaggery, I’m surprised people aren’t really ready to forgive Mike.
I think Mike is one of the most interesting characters in the strip. We see in flashbacks that at a young age that he prefers to sit in the back and hang out with the loners; he’s an observer and a judge, and deeply aware of institutional corruption and structural imbalance from a young age. We can see in his reaction to Sal and Jason, and the way he confronts Amber’s teacher.
As an observer and judge I think he sees Amber and Ethan as innocents who deserve better, and ultimately he wants to protect them. He uses his intelligence to try and find solutions to their problems that don’t disrupt their lives overmuch, such as when he blackmails Amber’s father and gets revenge on her teacher.
With Ethan, he literally offers his body as a safe space for Ethan to explore his sexuality. Based on my personal experience I think this is actually a form of self harm, but I don’t think this is lost on Willis either.
So although he does have an intensely coarse exterior, I really don’t think it’s worth passing judgment on him as harshly as I’ve seen here. What’s the worst thing he’s really *done*, besides say some nasty things? I think that’s just the tough outer shell of someone who knows that in reality, ugly words barely scratch the surface of real injustice.
Sirksome
Well I can remember that time he emotionally manipulated a high schooler who thought they were real friends into conducting a illicit, online affair with that teacher that was mean to Amber for the crime of being a girl that knows math, before dumping the dude.
https://www.dumbingofage.com/2018/comic/book-8/04-of-mike-and-men/arrangement/
Mike used a innocent guy to accomplish his own goals in a way that was creepy and potentially dangerous. This is fucked up and this was Mike. I get liking his character, but he does deserve whatever judgement people feel like giving. It’s okay to enjoy characters that do bad things even while judging them for it.
Shade of Blue
Yeah, you’re definitely right that his methods are shady. As I said, I think even the way he wants to protect Ethan is shady and self-destructive. I definitely spoke too soon asking what bad he’s really done.
Let’s not forget though that the teacher also assaulted Mike (a child at the time) directly after he confronted her. And as far as using that kid goes, he doesn’t exactly seem thrilled about his actions afterword. In the next comic you can see that he’s obviously conflicted.
But ultimately because Mike is dead now, we’ll never know if he had any potential to change his behavior, if he would get better or worse.
Tan
The implication there is definitely not that he thought they were ‘friends’, at least not without tacking on ‘with benefits’
(this makes it worse)
thejeff
I’m a pretty big critic of Joe, but I’m absolutely willing to forgive him (in addition to pointing that he really did need forgiveness, which a lot of people seem to forget. Joe’s trying to change. That’s important.
Mike did have a realization of how messed up his actions were in his last moments, but he died so he never got the chance to try to change.
cain
No matter how shitty somebody was, there are still people who will feel genuine loss when they are gone. Ethan knew Mike for his whole life and understood some of his better points. It makes sense that he would grieve. It also makes sense that he’s upset the others don’t seem to care.
Tan
They met in high school.
Steve
Would you like to tell me more about how he slept with your mom for a nickel?
Doctor_Who
Nah, Booster has already seen Amber’s Ao3 page. “Mike X Booster’s Mom” is currently on its 17th chapter.
Yotomoe
He united all people by giving us some common ground. Regardless of age, race, gender or sexual orientation, Mike somehow managed to sleep with all of their mothers. HE really brought us together.
Risky
I’m still waiting for the reveal that Dina experimented on him before he died.
Beau Kirin Maysey
I guess I mostly just wish that if Booster was gonna psychoanalyze everyone, he would just kinda be open and upfront that he’s about to do it :/
But this is, admittedly, kinda sweet
Sirksome
Booster’s they/them. We all trying to remember that as best we can. Respect.
BBCC
They/them, not he.
DailyBrad
They, not He.
But yeah, I think they are at least kind of being upfront with Ethan instead of the shit they pulled with Amber, which makes me think they might have at least internalized why that went poorly.
Walky and Lucy don’t seem to mind Booster much, but neither are characters known to be terribly unapproachable, so it probably takes a lot to hit a brick wall with those two.
Switchchris
Im not so sure that Walky can be offended by somebody telling him how it is, he understands that he is a Manchild and has fully accepted thats how he is gonna be for the rest of his life, the only time he seems to falter is when something pops up that might get in the way of that, like his grades falling.
Lucy just seems to have put herself behind so many walls that she fails to see anything that isnt already put as truth in her mind. Everything is Positive all the time in some way, to the point that she ignores anything close to a Red Flag. Booster would just try to tell her that she is wrong, she would say she isn’t wrong and then go about her day as if nothing happened.
Nova
“…I wish that if Booster was going to psychoanalyze everyone, [they] would just be open and upfront that [they are] about to do it.”
Beau Kirin Maysey
they/Them, apologies
BBCC
This is a really really sweet way for Booster to handle it. I like how this is going so far.
HueSatLight
Agreed, I’m crossing fingers they keep it up.
Mark
So maybe Booster does have the makings of a therapist or counselor. Once the brashness is ground down a bit.
Needfuldoer
I just hope there isn’t another shoe to drop.
Genuinely. Ethan needs more friends, and a support network beyond Amber (who’s barely holding it together herself).
Nono
He had Danny but then there was the whole hospital fiasco which Danny still hasn’t apologized about…
Username Taken
Mike was a big ol’ fucko, but we made excuses for him because some of us remembered him from Shortpacked and he was less real there and more whimsically antagonistic. Oh whoops, 4th wall break.
Anyway, Booster took a lil, but I love them as much as the rest of the cast. Well played, Willis.
Blume
I don’t know Shortpacked, so all I saw was DoA’s version… And yes, he was just… Mike. I did not enjoy him because we only really got to know him when he was nearing his end. Very sad.
Risky
I remember semme Mike and he died fighting the martians, a real hero and not a bad guy overall when drunk. Not everyone has the fortitude to take that trip now, though. If you do, make sure to squint at every page, every gust of wind, and every magazine rack. That’s a slight spoiler but it will probably avail you not.
Yotomoe
I feel like Dumbing of Age felt a lot sillier in the early parts so Mike still worked pretty well. I think Dumbing of age had sort of an unofficial drama tag pull where the world started to take itself a little more seriously. Which can make a reread a bit awkward.
BowlerHatGuy
“Dumbing of Age felt a lot sillier in the early parts”
The part where ambers dad put on a super villian costume? The whole kidnapping, murder, extortion, murder thing was a weird phase to read through. It was like, these are real kids, going through real problems, dealing with them in fairly real ways, to, oh, no, this is a superhero story where people jump from moving vans and walk away as things explode behind them and everyone is made of flubber.
And then at the halloween party, Walky made clear he was struggling with Mikes death, and it got real again.
Freezer
Mike was a fucko. But he was also a fucko who would take a bullet (or this case, thrown himself off a flight of stairs) for his friends (DoA and Walkyverse versions).
Keulen
Mike was better in Shortpacked, because that world was a lot more silly and his actions didn’t have the consequences they have in a more realistic world. And most of the targets of his asshole behavior in Shortpacked were annoying dumb customers at a store.
JBento
See also: Robin.
Ike
I never read Shortpacked (or any of the Walkyverse) and I liked Mike.
Hrodvitnir
I never read shortpacked, and I could never decide how I felt about Mike. I feel like most of these characters strike a good balance of cartoonishness to realness, but Mike’s worst behaviours were… really bad. And I could just never settle on an opinion on him, even a nuanced one vs the overly black and white takes I often see on here.
Lieutenant Dan
I remember Mike flatly, but I think he was a dancer.
Mark
I saw what you did there.
Mikey
This is a general reminder that Booster uses “they” and not “he”.
StClair
*looks up*
too late.
Taffy
Yeah but if I take my fingers and go like this ?, it’ll cover the T and Y, so “they” will look like “he”. I just have to keep that up forever and I’ll be able to justify anything I say.
Nova
Really not sure why everyone struggles so hard with this, but here it is on EVERY FUCKIN PAGE with Booster in it.
Needfuldoer
It’s easy when you comment before reading anybody else’s comments.
Yotomoe
I wonder if Walky has any feelings about Mike. I know he didn’t know him long but they were roommates and despite Mike treating him like shit Walky never really seemed to hate him.
Nerrin
There was something during the Halloween flashback where he said something really crass about Mike’s death but his follow-up when confronted on it amounted to, “Jesus Christ, I desperately need to not think about that for one night,” so it definitely hit him.
Yotomoe
I think that was more Walky trying to avoid even mentioning that Mike had died.
Nerrin
He was still basically doing it to cope, being shitty about a moment of silence for Mike because he had enough silence alone in his room as it was.
Bryy
That was when he got punched for it.
His follow-up was to try to force people to like his shitty joke.
Nerrin
You’re attributing a lot more guile to Walky than I feel he ever shows. Yes, even the very shallow amount that would require.