Twilight is basically abstinence porn. I’m not surprised in the least that she likes it — it promotes good Christian values like not killing people for their tasty blood or having sex with those horribly wanton, wanton women because you’re sparkly and perfectly nice and control your love interest’s life as any good man should.
Ridureyu
But it’s totally okay to let other people kill whole crowds of tourists, one of whom was probably a sweetgranny who always wanted to see Italy.
Jimmy
I really want to start an entire series of abstinence porn now.
Icalasari
…But it promotes a relationship with a vampire, which has to break SOME kind of law in the Bible…
Omega
Hah. Leviticus does have a prohibition against the consumption of blood, iirc. Big taboo there. In fact, contact with exposed blood is also a no-no, requiring cleansing rituals.
Quite so, which is why the whole Last Supper, communion ritual is regarded as fiction by nearly all biblical historians… and Jews and Muslims also, of course.
Quite so, which is why the whole Last Supper, communion ritual is regarded as fiction by nearly all biblical historians… and Jews and Muslims also, of course.
Given their beliefs about the uncleanliness of blood and cannibalism, saying “This is my blood/body, drink/eat it in remembrance of me” would have gotten about the same reaction as if he picked up a string of sausage and said “This is my shit. Eat it in remembrance of me.”
Seriously dude. The Scott Pilgrim movie works better than the books. The fast paced humour is much better when you’re not reading it and all of the actors look perfect for who they’re supposed to be characterising.
Bee Tea Double You, Its kind of lame that my avatar is a chick character that I don’t even recognise.
Only thing I don’t like about Joyce. Other than that…..
Oh good gracious Joe, and yet I still laughed.
Hehe, I can see where Leslie is trying to go with this. Unfortunately for her she’s going to have a field day with Joe, Walky, Joyce and Roz in this class.
Err, no it doesn’t, though I agree that far too many Christians seemed to have been too drawn into Twilight. It’s a pretty tricky book. We’ve always been taught to fear werewolves and vampires, not to be drawn to them which is what Twilight does. Seems the author has done a very good job attempting to reach to the Christian community. I experienced the obsession first hand with a friend of mine from church the last couple years, it’s scary.
shoeboxjeddy
Hint, the author is a Mormon and it does attempt to instill the values of her religion.
Digidestined of Trust (Tim)
Hmm, I guess that is an interesting point (not Mormon though and the beliefs are totally different) Pretty ironic though of the no sex before marriage thing and it’s written by a Mormon (no offense to Mormons)
The movie and book though make me wary and think about it being a wolf in sheep’s clothing and dangers in false teachings.
gangler
Eh, beats a wolf in wolf’s clothing. Personally, all the vampire/werewolf/demon romances I read growing up didn’t even pretend to promote any kind of values. Not to mention the weirdness you can get into with Fantasy fiction romances. If all my sister’s being exposed to is the literary equivalent of the Disney channel I think we’re still doing alright.
Why yes. Yes it does. it instills the Christian value of no sex before marriage. Along with the Christian values of hurting yourself and stalking someone.
Freemage
Also, the more specifically Mormon approach to “family”–note that when Eddie is thinking about Vamping Bella, there’s this whole family meeting where the idea is discussed. This is, by several sources, precisely how Mormon families discuss when one of their kids are going to get married.
There’s several other Mormon theological and social tenets embedded in the book, too–the whole “recognition” thing refers to the Mormon belief that your soulmate is selected before you’re ever born. And the Italian vampires? The ones that drink human blood, maintain a false claim to dominion over other vampires, and so on? Totally the Catholic Church, as Mormons view them.
R
And the Christian value of the bride consenting even if she looses consciousness on her wedding night.
I’m sorry, but you’re all wrong. I’m now going to introduce my teaching assistant, Ninja Rick, who’s here to tell you all exactly what your favorite movie is.
I guess because it’s written by a Mormon, it’s okay? Except that Joyce’s upbringing is eerily similar to a lot of the things I heard in my uber-Christian school, and the Mormon thing only makes it worse, as they aren’t “real Christians”.
Kinda like how Lord of the Rings is okay because Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were best buddies.
He may have been an atheist for 15 years, but like many late converts, Lewis became pretty fanatical. Tolkien put references to his faith in his work — Lewis’s books are all about how awesome the C of E is.
And Tolkien was Catholic, which I think is considered almost as bad as being a Mormon.
As Daibhid said, it’s more the C.S. Lewis thing that makes Tolkien acceptable to the crazies. Several teachers/our campus chaplain would rail against Catholics like nothing else, so the Tolkien = Catholic thing got glossed over.
We actually did get into the whole “married a divorced woman” discussion a little in one of my classes, IIRC. Ended up being more of a discussions of married in the eyes of God vs. the eyes of the state or something like that.
Ahahahaha. I just looked that up. “A stopped clock is right twice a day.” THAT sounds like something I would have heard.
I’d still like to believe that my school would, on the whole, *not* encourage Twilight, not so much for the abstinence/vampires/whatever thing, but because they did have high standards for what would be classified as good writing.
That’d be the English teachers though. Our old campus chaplain? Anything goes. >>
194 thoughts on “Movies”
Jen Aside
SCOTT PILGRIM
AAGH WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
I’m in lesbians with you.
ScytheAkse
OMG YES!!!!!!!!!!! You’re pretentious, this club sucks, I have beef. Let’s do it.
also she likes twilight? sighhh… she gets less and less cute every day
Valkeer1
Note the ? at the end. Maybe it’s not so much that it’s her favorite movies as it’s the first to pop into her head.
Dean
Or it’s the only movie she’s ever seen.
Ridureyu
I call shenanigans! The only homeschooled churchian I have ever met who liked Twilight…
…was a guy.
Twoflower
Twilight is basically abstinence porn. I’m not surprised in the least that she likes it — it promotes good Christian values like not killing people for their tasty blood or having sex with those horribly wanton, wanton women because you’re sparkly and perfectly nice and control your love interest’s life as any good man should.
Ridureyu
But it’s totally okay to let other people kill whole crowds of tourists, one of whom was probably a sweetgranny who always wanted to see Italy.
Jimmy
I really want to start an entire series of abstinence porn now.
Icalasari
…But it promotes a relationship with a vampire, which has to break SOME kind of law in the Bible…
Omega
Hah. Leviticus does have a prohibition against the consumption of blood, iirc. Big taboo there. In fact, contact with exposed blood is also a no-no, requiring cleansing rituals.
Hinoron
Quite so, which is why the whole Last Supper, communion ritual is regarded as fiction by nearly all biblical historians… and Jews and Muslims also, of course.
Hinoron
Quite so, which is why the whole Last Supper, communion ritual is regarded as fiction by nearly all biblical historians… and Jews and Muslims also, of course.
Given their beliefs about the uncleanliness of blood and cannibalism, saying “This is my blood/body, drink/eat it in remembrance of me” would have gotten about the same reaction as if he picked up a string of sausage and said “This is my shit. Eat it in remembrance of me.”
Hinoron
That’d be Necrophila.
ScytheAkse
every home schooled christian girl i know is obsessed with twilight.. tho most are secretly obsessed with sex…
Adnor
But Scott Pilgrim it’s only a so-so movie!
Ridureyu
A so-so movie with occasional awesome moments?
The window dive made me laugh the most.
Dedlok
BLASPHEMY!
TemplarKnight
KILL THE NON-BELIEVER!
George
LET’S SEE WHAT HE’S WORTH!
Gianni
Totally agree, Scott Pilgrim had great moments but unfortunately wasn’t HALF the film it could have been. I loved the books much, MUCH more.
skies
Seconded forever. Seriously you guys, read the books.
Dedlok
I did. Still think the movie was awesome. As was the books. But for different reasons, along with some similar ones.
Jayzor
Seriously dude. The Scott Pilgrim movie works better than the books. The fast paced humour is much better when you’re not reading it and all of the actors look perfect for who they’re supposed to be characterising.
Bee Tea Double You, Its kind of lame that my avatar is a chick character that I don’t even recognise.
darkond2100
Tsk tsk. Twilight is SO babies.
ScytheAkse
babies? is that a good thing?
Fark
It’s so babies, it’s babies McIntyre.
David Herbert
Joyce likes Twilight? Okay, I guess…
I love Joe’s answer though.
Digidestined of Trust (Tim)
Only thing I don’t like about Joyce. Other than that…..
Oh good gracious Joe, and yet I still laughed.
Hehe, I can see where Leslie is trying to go with this. Unfortunately for her she’s going to have a field day with Joe, Walky, Joyce and Roz in this class.
Teowulf
Of course she does. It attempts to instill Christian values.
Digidestined of Trust (Tim)
Err, no it doesn’t, though I agree that far too many Christians seemed to have been too drawn into Twilight. It’s a pretty tricky book. We’ve always been taught to fear werewolves and vampires, not to be drawn to them which is what Twilight does. Seems the author has done a very good job attempting to reach to the Christian community. I experienced the obsession first hand with a friend of mine from church the last couple years, it’s scary.
shoeboxjeddy
Hint, the author is a Mormon and it does attempt to instill the values of her religion.
Digidestined of Trust (Tim)
Hmm, I guess that is an interesting point (not Mormon though and the beliefs are totally different) Pretty ironic though of the no sex before marriage thing and it’s written by a Mormon (no offense to Mormons)
The movie and book though make me wary and think about it being a wolf in sheep’s clothing and dangers in false teachings.
gangler
Eh, beats a wolf in wolf’s clothing. Personally, all the vampire/werewolf/demon romances I read growing up didn’t even pretend to promote any kind of values. Not to mention the weirdness you can get into with Fantasy fiction romances. If all my sister’s being exposed to is the literary equivalent of the Disney channel I think we’re still doing alright.
Andy
Why yes. Yes it does. it instills the Christian value of no sex before marriage. Along with the Christian values of hurting yourself and stalking someone.
Freemage
Also, the more specifically Mormon approach to “family”–note that when Eddie is thinking about Vamping Bella, there’s this whole family meeting where the idea is discussed. This is, by several sources, precisely how Mormon families discuss when one of their kids are going to get married.
There’s several other Mormon theological and social tenets embedded in the book, too–the whole “recognition” thing refers to the Mormon belief that your soulmate is selected before you’re ever born. And the Italian vampires? The ones that drink human blood, maintain a false claim to dominion over other vampires, and so on? Totally the Catholic Church, as Mormons view them.
R
And the Christian value of the bride consenting even if she looses consciousness on her wedding night.
Wait, what?
Alix
I’m with Walky, Kung Fu Panda was awesome.
The Incredible Frogboy
It’s too awesome.
My eyes!
Zack
*mad laughter* KUNG-FU PANDA
Kurai_Seraphim
I’m sorry, but you’re all wrong. I’m now going to introduce my teaching assistant, Ninja Rick, who’s here to tell you all exactly what your favorite movie is.
HippieJoe
3 Ninjas?
Darth Shadow
Turtles Forever?
JackNapier
Surf Ninjas?
dchorror
This is what I get for sleeping in today. You beat me to it.
Valkeer1
Beverly Hills Ninja?
Ryune
Naruto: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow
Just for kix
Alien vs Ninja (Fits better with the shortpacked world :P)
DragoDorn
alien vs ninja?
Crash Platypus
I just wanna see where the question leads.
(Ghostbusters, FTW!!)
Cow
Seeing as how this chapter is called ‘The Bechdel Test’ I have a theory. 😉
The Incredible Frogboy
It wasn’t as good as Debbie Does Isfahan.
Joebo
I personally and a fan of Debbie Does Djibouti.
Kaj
Who’s booty?
😉
Kaj
Hoooly crap my Avatar finally changed.
dchorror
Kinda in an appropriate manner too.
George
That country’s name is just perfect for that sort of joke… I feel sorry for everyone from Djibouti who has ever told an American where they’re from.
MM
Joe’s next statement is something along the lines of “…I meant to do that,” isn’t it?
shoeboxjeddy
Ha ha, Never Say Never, the Bond movie that technically doesn’t count.
Also, how am I not surprised that the prurient Joyce’s favorite movie is Twilight 3…
Gordon
Never Say Never AGAIN is the James Bond movie that doesn’t count. Never Say Never is the Justin Bieber movie.
shoeboxjeddy
Dang you got me there. How dare the Beeb make a movie with a title so close to a Sean Connery joint?!
TheTravelerD
You’re like some movie based superhero of sorts that drops in to correct mistakes about movies. That is awesome.
drpepperfan
Sorry Joyce, but I hate you now. Wish it didn’t have to be this way, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.
Kung Fu Panda is awesome.
ianmorris
Scott Pilgrim was awesome, it also passes The Bechdel Test (chapter title drop immanent).
alicemacher
Wouldn’t Joyce think vampire movies are pernicious Satanic influences or whatever?
Enkai
I guess because it’s written by a Mormon, it’s okay? Except that Joyce’s upbringing is eerily similar to a lot of the things I heard in my uber-Christian school, and the Mormon thing only makes it worse, as they aren’t “real Christians”.
Kinda like how Lord of the Rings is okay because Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were best buddies.
Andy
Despite the fact that Tolkien was a lifelong Christian, while Lewis was atheist for about 15 years and married a divorced woman?
dchorror
Details, details.
Daibhid C
He may have been an atheist for 15 years, but like many late converts, Lewis became pretty fanatical. Tolkien put references to his faith in his work — Lewis’s books are all about how awesome the C of E is.
And Tolkien was Catholic, which I think is considered almost as bad as being a Mormon.
Enkai
“And Tolkien was Catholic, which I think is considered almost as bad as being a Mormon”
Yeah, this. The Pope is the anti-Christ, you know.
Enkai
As Daibhid said, it’s more the C.S. Lewis thing that makes Tolkien acceptable to the crazies. Several teachers/our campus chaplain would rail against Catholics like nothing else, so the Tolkien = Catholic thing got glossed over.
We actually did get into the whole “married a divorced woman” discussion a little in one of my classes, IIRC. Ended up being more of a discussions of married in the eyes of God vs. the eyes of the state or something like that.
Loki
According to Joyce’s Twitter feed today, her mom says Mormons are sometimes OK.
Enkai
Ahahahaha. I just looked that up. “A stopped clock is right twice a day.” THAT sounds like something I would have heard.
I’d still like to believe that my school would, on the whole, *not* encourage Twilight, not so much for the abstinence/vampires/whatever thing, but because they did have high standards for what would be classified as good writing.
That’d be the English teachers though. Our old campus chaplain? Anything goes. >>