Oh yeah. Not sure what Lucy did to earn that Ire honestly. Maybe she reminds Sarah too much of her stepsister or something.
Alanari
Pretty sure it’s about raidah. Sarah never responded well to people siding with her.
TulipKitten
Nah, Sarah’s been a jerk to Lucy before that. Lucy usually kept her mouth shut. This is Lucy running out of patience for her.
Alanari
Which is why Sarah reacts like this. This has left “destructive but kinda legitimate criticism” territory and is just meant to hurt. They’re both lashing out.
Reaver
Funny, I don’t see Lucy doing any lashing out
Bysmerian
Other people have pointed out bringing up Dana is a sore point for Sarah; Lucy doesn’t know the whole story, so she doesn’t know how low a blow it is. Sarah is absolutely making what to her is an equal and opposite reaction, but since she’s kind of an asshole to begin with and Lucy doesn’t know the full story, it comes across as an out-of-nowhere, wholly unmerited Nuclear Bongo strike in retaliation to what, as far as Lucy knows, is calling Sarah out on entirely legitimate bullshit.
temporaryobsessor
And from Sarah’s perspective Lucy just decided she doesn’t want Sarah’s side of the story so she gets no mercy for not knowing.
Alanari
Good discussion discipline means sticking to the topic at hand. Lucy doesn’t. She’s dragging an old story into it, thus signalling disdain for Sarah. Since Lucy is a positive person who kind of likes everyone, I think this counts as lashing out for her.
Tsakta
At a guess, Joyce tries to learn and grow even if she’d really prefer not to. Lucy has perfected the rose tinted glasses approach and will dogmatically believe any explanation to allow the world around her to slot into her world view. She didn’t have any real problems with Sarah before Raidah (The cool girl who can’t be wrong) called it out and then she had strong opinions on it. Her saving grace is that her world view is typically positive and nice but Sarah is absolutely outside of that and Lucy’s inability/refusal to consider inconvenient information would absolutely push all of Sarah’s buttons hard. Sarah’s being more unga bunga than usual admittedly and that’s probably the Raidah influence on the situation putting Sarah into a defensive lash out that is not making things better. That’s my interpretation of the situation anywho.
TLDR Sarah’s defensive nastiness due to Raidah’s influence on things is butting up against Lucy’s refusal to think critically about things she wants to believe.
Bryy
I have a hail mary prediction that this ends up pushing Lucy to be assertive and crash the dinner.
Needfuldoer
The dinner that Walky and Amber are already crashing.
Well, her and Joyce are roommates. Most of the time that she’s been mean to Joyce, Joyce has just ignored it not to rock the boat. She was raised hyper-fundamentalist, and Lucy looks like she was raised in a more liberal setting.
And there was conflict between her and Joyce during the start of the comic. I don’t remember the exact comic, but Joyce accused her of not caring and Sarah reminded her of the fact she saved her from a potential rapist.
hatman
Yup, and Joyce gave her a perfectly acceptable answer in that she should show she cares in little gestures, not just grandiose ones.
yeah i’m sure in an alternate timeline if lucy and sarah were originally roommates, she would’ve warmed up to her even if lucy didn’t necessarily bond through tough times like with joyce
I’m going to be honest, Lucy is the one judging a friend group for one of their friends while coming outside it and is almost completely in the wrong here. Sarah is being rude to her now, but not only did Lucy start it, she started it with no real social understanding of the friendships Sarah has. Joyce at the very least has given her explicit permission to be a sassy ass and the others at least acknowledge it and don’t seem bothered by it, with Walky in particular playing into it sometimes because he can also be a sassy ass.
aelfwine
If Sarah saw Lucy as an outsider that doesn’t have a right to comment on things, why did she decide to share Joyce’s masturbation habits with her?
Why, because it’s *extra mean* to share such private details with an outsider, right?
Lucy’s presence sure was convenientg when Sarah can use her as extra mortification points in her sadistic malicious abuse that she calls “friendship”, but Lucy should know her place and just stand there as a prop when she’s used for another person’s mortification, right?
Is the patient person off panel? Because Lucy isn’t patient, she recently started dating Walky and is now trying to push Sarah out of the social circle. Like a day after Raidah “don’t jettison people” told her to.
I don’t see Lucy doing ANYTHING to Sarah that Sarah isn’t doing to herself. Sarah isn’t friends with the group because of what she did, she’s friends with them IN SPITE of what she did.
Marillius
You don’t understand friendships, nor do you understand Sarah, if you think that. Sarah isn’t trying to be friends with anyone (but Joyce), but that doesn’t mean she’s overstepped any bounds. Walky literally does the exact same thing with a more likeable attitude and people love it, razzing on friends, and Joyce has given Sarah explicit permission to be like this several times.
Meanwhile Lucy is a brand new girlfriend stepping into a social dynamic she doesn’t understand and judging Sarah for how Sarah acts with her own friends and acquaintances. Lucy is being a judgemental little prick here, partially by Raidah’s influence and partially by just being a naturally judgemental and prejudicial person who never thinks threw her initial impressions of anyone. Usually that’s to the persons benefit (Jennifer and Walky).
It is very in character of Lucy to simply not care what people are actually likely, she goes based on the perception she has of them and ignores anything that would alter those perceptions.
aelfwine
I think people should stop claiming that we don’t understand friendships, just because we don’t approve one very particularly abusive and toxic version thereof.
Sarah overstepped the bounds, and we know that because Joyce was mortified and humiliated. We saw Joyce being mortified and humiliated. We saw Sarah be happy at Joyce being mortified and humiliated.
Is Lucy being judgmental towards her? Good! That’s exactly how she should be, because Lucy just saw Sarah mortify and humiliate another friend for the lolz. I wish more people were like Lucy, because then we’d have fewer toxic and abusive friendships being enabled by friend groups.
Chromatic Roses
did you forget that sarah immediately asked if she overstepped boundaries with joyce after lucy said she was being too mean and, instead of saying yes, joyce then turned around and teased sarah in turn?
How exactly has Lucy tried to push Sarah out of the social circle?
Marillius
She is currently being a judgemental little prick toward Sarah, but only when none of the others are in ear shot. It’s a classic power play to try and sow doubt and annoyance and a total Raidah move, albeit she is an amateur at it and probably isn’t doing it on purpose.
She is definitely NOT sticking up for anyone here though, she’s just commenting on something outside of her new boyfriends hearing because she knows Walky would probably defend Sarah on some level, given that he himself is also a razzer.
Except Sarah has been to hell and back with her friend group. They’ve had people die and been grave danger, and Lucy just waltzes in plays her cards from an enemy of Sarah and Joyce.
Lucy is an outsider. And she’s bringing more mess with what she an Walky just concocted.
So how does that make Sarah in any way less of a bongo in THIS scenario?
Marillius
In this exact scenario where someone just called her an awful person and she fired back? Sarah isn’t a bongo.
A moment ago when Sarah gave some REAL ADVICE that kids don’t want to hear, about how not every relationship needs to be a ride or die and how going to sitcom levels of length to make a point is dumb and silly? Sarah is still not a bongo.
In a scenario where a girl is desperately in love with a guy she barely knows, has been idolizing her roommate for months without any basis for anything she believes of Jennifer and has a tendency to be a prejudicial, judgmental girl who never rethinks her first impressions of anyone is going out of her way to only speak meanly to someone when none of the friend group she is only just barely becoming a part of can here and Sarah defends herself? Sarah is not a bongo.
The world where she thinks “This is a stupid idea. You should dump him.” is good friendly advice. The world where she thinks being arbitrarily mean makes her lovable.
Honestly? Lucy deserved this. She just insulted Sarah, without knowing the whole story, by specifically triggering one of the hardest decisions Sarah has had to make. LUCY was being mean. She was using information she gained from someone else to HURT Sarah’s feelings. She deserved this. I would argue SARAH has been patient with her up to this point.
Lucy is normally wonderful but she is making a huge miscalculation (twice in one day!) and Sarah is finally calling out her naivity and ignorance. Is she being mean about it and shitting on Lucy’s choice of who she dates? Absolutely. But Lucy shot back with all she had against Sarah, and I think she’s learned that Sarah has bigger guns.
Man, now I*know* we’re not reading the same comic…
Because Sarah’s been WAAAAAY out of line, even by her already pretty harsh standards… And this one just takes the cake. There’s ‘honesty’, then there’s ‘cruel honesty’. She’s not *wrong* (except that she continues to dump on Walky for literally no reason at every chance)… But she’s wrong in actually bringing it up.
Sarah’s one of the core members of the social group, and not only one of them- but also one of the more important ones (the group protector/watchdog personality)… And Lucy’s just a member’s significant other…
BUT it’s entirely clique-ish and rude to talk about it. It reeks of ‘no true Scotsman’.
Suzi
I dunno mano, Lucy already came in last time swinging. Last time they interacted, Sarah made a jab at Joyce (that Walky even was involved in joking about), and Lucy went “you’re not nice to your so-called friends” -> implying that Sarah and Joyce weren’t as close as they are, and that she believes Raidah. Lucy keeps pushing Sarah’s buttons. Was it harsh? Yeah. Was saying “I don’t jettison people” to Sarah ALSO harsh? I’d argue yes.
Sarah abso-fucking-lutely needs to learn that she doesn’t NEED to insert herself into every situation. She could have just ignored Lucy and Walky. BUT…. if Lucy is gonna keep swinging punches, she needs to brace for a swing back. And Sarah, as we have learned with Raidah, doesn’t hold her punches well.
Tan
Calling a tourist a tourist isn’t exactly the same as No True Scotsman. She’s not saying Lucy CAN’T be part of the friend group, just that it’s pretty clear that that isn’t Lucy’s agenda.
Marillius
You are definitely not reading the same comic we are. Sarah has explicit permission from some of the group (Joyce, Becky, etc) and implied permission from others (Walky) to act like a sassy ass toward them and razz them in her own way. Walky has fired back when it happens to him (if I recall correctly) and is absolutely a razzer himself so sees no harm in it. Sarah is hanging with her friends and this random new girl that JUST started hanging out with them is judging her for how she does that.
Meanwhile Lucy has regularly made snap judgements about people based on first impressions (Walky and Jennifer) that she never rethinks no matter how much evidence there is, going out of her way to only firm up the sometimes insane levels of fantasy she has created surrounding them rather than assess, adjust and adapt to new information. She’s doing the same with Sarah, ignoring ALL THE EVIDENCE that Sarah’s friend group is totally okay with it, and than went a step further. When she got told off by the group for trying to call out Sarah in front of them, she decided to wait until they were alone.
Same. Because she’s not wrong (Lucy only there cuz she wants Walky’s three-date-determined sex time/dating), and Lucy’s been barbing at her all day. Even if Sarah deserved to be talked to about flouting sensitive info to joke at Joyce’s expense, Lucy was NOT the person who should have done it.
Also she’s really easily led by the nose (I.E Raidah) Despite the fact her own boyfriend seemed put off by her comments.
Warcodered
Yeah the person that should be around to check Sarah is Dorothy, but she’s off losing her mind somewhere.
It isā¦Very brutal but itās alsoā¦kinda true? Itās not like sheās made an effort to know anyone outside of forcing the issue of being with Walky?
Not necessarily, like we have seen her go to church with Becky, for instance, which makes sense as they are coworkers. But yeah, she could probably stand to get to know the others some more, sure.
Sarah fought their kidnappers with a baseball bat. They can never truly reject her after that.
Wraithy2773
Why not? Does one act of bravery mean that everyone else has to put up with a person’s insufferable attitude indefinitely?
Sarah did a good thing. They were no doubt very grateful. But that doesn’t last forever, and doesn’t give her carte blanche to do whatever forever.
C.T. Phipps
Joyce and Sarah are best friends. Joyce knows Sarah will be there for all of their horrible moments as well as losing her faith.
Sarah just seems to be someone determined to shit on Lucy’s life choices for no objective reason other than spite.
Everything Sarah did that Joyce found endearing or helpful, Lucy just hates.
MisterJinKC
No objective reason? Lucy has been judgy with Sarah and bringing up one of if not the most painful memories she has every chance she gets. She heard one thing from Raidah and instead of asking Sarah her side decided to just passive aggressively bring it up all the time like it was established fact. Sarah is being more of a dick to Lucy than to others, but Lucy started the escalation.
Rabbit
This is my take away too.
SDRainbow
Two acts of bravery, at least – Sarah has multiple baseball-bat-related defense of Joyce.
Wraithy2773
For Joyce, yes, and it would take a metric fuckton for Joyce to cut ties with Sarah, fully agreed.
But for Dorothy, Walky, Dina, Becky, and the rest? Less there, and they tend to get a lot more vicious barbs than sisterly affection from Sarah…
Alongcameaspider
I mean when it really comes down to it Joyce is kind of her only actual friend isn’t she? Maybe Dina as well, but the rest she tolerates for Joyce’s sake
Luna
Walky and Becky, sure, but Sarah gets along very well with Dina, who’s also stated pretty clearly that she appreciates the fact that Sarah is blunt and honest with her regardless of how ‘nice’ she is about it. She’s also always had a pretty decent relationship with Dorothy. I wouldn’t call them close, especially post-time skip, but she’s not usually as acerbic with her.
wilddeath
In short? Yes.
In long? It wasn’t a single act of bravery. Sarah has been there for more shit than lucy can ever catch up with. Sarah is part of the group whether she wants to be or not.
jpnr
I don’t think this entitles you to insult random people and or their boyfriends
Freemage
You mean like calling someone you just met a future war criminal? Because Lucy doesn’t seem to think insulting random people is particularly bad, so long as it’s a popular person doing the insulting.
Marillius
Sarah regularly goes out of her way to help Joyce, even if half the time she is delegating. Sarah regularly steps outside of her comfort zone for Joyce, even when she hates doing it. Sarah wasn’t even trying to be Joyce’s friend and still was a great person for Joyce to rely on and Sarah almost never fails to assist when Joyce asks for help, save when it would be extremely comical too or Joyce is being ridiculous.
zee
Joyce has literally in comic called out that all Sarah does to show love are occasional grand gestures but never does the kind little things day to day that tell you she actually cares. That comic itself as pointed this out as a flaw
Marillius
I can probably find at least a dozen times that Sarah herself goes out of her way and emotional comfort zone to help Joyce specifically. Sarah doesn’t show affection the way others do, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t show affection or care. You’re just kind of an ass for assuming everyone has to be all hugs and kisses and niceness. Some friends raz each other. Some friends do it to show affection. Sarah IS regularly going out of her way to be a better friend to Joyce just by interacting with her, and is in her own way doing far more than almost anyone else in the comic to be a good friend.
This is all within the circumstance of them interning her comfort zone or them just so happening to have a class together, or her just being around. For instance If she was making an effort go out of her way to know people personally she would have come to Sarah personally about her past with Dana instead instead of this.
Is it? By that metric, Sarah has made more of an effort to avoid knowing anyone in the group. At every instance of inclusion, she bemoans the fact that sheās there. The only person sheās remotely close to is Joyce.
438 thoughts on “Treat”
Ana Chronistic
“Friendship is the shield that blunts the sting of my poisonous barbs”
Doctor_Who
The Friendship buff grants a +3 against Barbs
Steamweed
In case you need to defend yourself against Barbarella or the Barbie legion.
SDRainbow
this might be the sign that I’ve been watching too much dimension 20
I read this comment and thought “WHO IS SARAH GIVING ADVANTAGE TO”
newlland(Henryvolt)
This and yesterday’s strip is jam packed with a lot of cruel brutal honesty.
Perfect time to pick tonight unload a lot of speculations I’ve had
Rose by Any Other Name
**raises curious eyebrow**
Go on…
(apologies if this double posts – had a weird server glitch)
Leorale
People who love being brutally honest are usually way more dedicated to brutality than honesty.
Queen Anthai
That’s the most real thing I’ve heard in years.
Freezer
Accept this +1 in lieu of an upvote button.
Needfuldoer
Consider this reply an upvote. Iām saving this pearl of wisdom for a rainy day.
Steve C.
Oh, yeah. Leorale’s comment is now officially public domain and part of the wisdom of the ages.
AeromechanicalAce
Sarah, you’re about to learn the true meaning behind the phrase “Beware the fury of a patient person”.
C.T. Phipps
It’s kind of funny because Sarah had great luck with Joyce, who is basically 90% Lucy.
However, Lucy doesn’t need Raidah to HATE Sarah.
Sarah is doing that all on her own.
AeromechanicalAce
Oh yeah. Not sure what Lucy did to earn that Ire honestly. Maybe she reminds Sarah too much of her stepsister or something.
Alanari
Pretty sure it’s about raidah. Sarah never responded well to people siding with her.
TulipKitten
Nah, Sarah’s been a jerk to Lucy before that. Lucy usually kept her mouth shut. This is Lucy running out of patience for her.
Alanari
Which is why Sarah reacts like this. This has left “destructive but kinda legitimate criticism” territory and is just meant to hurt. They’re both lashing out.
Reaver
Funny, I don’t see Lucy doing any lashing out
Bysmerian
Other people have pointed out bringing up Dana is a sore point for Sarah; Lucy doesn’t know the whole story, so she doesn’t know how low a blow it is. Sarah is absolutely making what to her is an equal and opposite reaction, but since she’s kind of an asshole to begin with and Lucy doesn’t know the full story, it comes across as an out-of-nowhere, wholly unmerited Nuclear Bongo strike in retaliation to what, as far as Lucy knows, is calling Sarah out on entirely legitimate bullshit.
temporaryobsessor
And from Sarah’s perspective Lucy just decided she doesn’t want Sarah’s side of the story so she gets no mercy for not knowing.
Alanari
Good discussion discipline means sticking to the topic at hand. Lucy doesn’t. She’s dragging an old story into it, thus signalling disdain for Sarah. Since Lucy is a positive person who kind of likes everyone, I think this counts as lashing out for her.
Tsakta
At a guess, Joyce tries to learn and grow even if she’d really prefer not to. Lucy has perfected the rose tinted glasses approach and will dogmatically believe any explanation to allow the world around her to slot into her world view. She didn’t have any real problems with Sarah before Raidah (The cool girl who can’t be wrong) called it out and then she had strong opinions on it. Her saving grace is that her world view is typically positive and nice but Sarah is absolutely outside of that and Lucy’s inability/refusal to consider inconvenient information would absolutely push all of Sarah’s buttons hard. Sarah’s being more unga bunga than usual admittedly and that’s probably the Raidah influence on the situation putting Sarah into a defensive lash out that is not making things better. That’s my interpretation of the situation anywho.
TLDR Sarah’s defensive nastiness due to Raidah’s influence on things is butting up against Lucy’s refusal to think critically about things she wants to believe.
Bryy
I have a hail mary prediction that this ends up pushing Lucy to be assertive and crash the dinner.
Needfuldoer
The dinner that Walky and Amber are already crashing.
It’s a dinner pile-up!
Hoboturtle
Ya, that’s my read of the situation.
TulipKitten
Well, her and Joyce are roommates. Most of the time that she’s been mean to Joyce, Joyce has just ignored it not to rock the boat. She was raised hyper-fundamentalist, and Lucy looks like she was raised in a more liberal setting.
And there was conflict between her and Joyce during the start of the comic. I don’t remember the exact comic, but Joyce accused her of not caring and Sarah reminded her of the fact she saved her from a potential rapist.
hatman
Yup, and Joyce gave her a perfectly acceptable answer in that she should show she cares in little gestures, not just grandiose ones.
Angel
yeah i’m sure in an alternate timeline if lucy and sarah were originally roommates, she would’ve warmed up to her even if lucy didn’t necessarily bond through tough times like with joyce
Marillius
I’m going to be honest, Lucy is the one judging a friend group for one of their friends while coming outside it and is almost completely in the wrong here. Sarah is being rude to her now, but not only did Lucy start it, she started it with no real social understanding of the friendships Sarah has. Joyce at the very least has given her explicit permission to be a sassy ass and the others at least acknowledge it and don’t seem bothered by it, with Walky in particular playing into it sometimes because he can also be a sassy ass.
aelfwine
If Sarah saw Lucy as an outsider that doesn’t have a right to comment on things, why did she decide to share Joyce’s masturbation habits with her?
Why, because it’s *extra mean* to share such private details with an outsider, right?
Lucy’s presence sure was convenientg when Sarah can use her as extra mortification points in her sadistic malicious abuse that she calls “friendship”, but Lucy should know her place and just stand there as a prop when she’s used for another person’s mortification, right?
HueSatLight
Is the patient person off panel? Because Lucy isn’t patient, she recently started dating Walky and is now trying to push Sarah out of the social circle. Like a day after Raidah “don’t jettison people” told her to.
Lumino
I don’t see Lucy doing ANYTHING to Sarah that Sarah isn’t doing to herself. Sarah isn’t friends with the group because of what she did, she’s friends with them IN SPITE of what she did.
Marillius
You don’t understand friendships, nor do you understand Sarah, if you think that. Sarah isn’t trying to be friends with anyone (but Joyce), but that doesn’t mean she’s overstepped any bounds. Walky literally does the exact same thing with a more likeable attitude and people love it, razzing on friends, and Joyce has given Sarah explicit permission to be like this several times.
Meanwhile Lucy is a brand new girlfriend stepping into a social dynamic she doesn’t understand and judging Sarah for how Sarah acts with her own friends and acquaintances. Lucy is being a judgemental little prick here, partially by Raidah’s influence and partially by just being a naturally judgemental and prejudicial person who never thinks threw her initial impressions of anyone. Usually that’s to the persons benefit (Jennifer and Walky).
It is very in character of Lucy to simply not care what people are actually likely, she goes based on the perception she has of them and ignores anything that would alter those perceptions.
aelfwine
I think people should stop claiming that we don’t understand friendships, just because we don’t approve one very particularly abusive and toxic version thereof.
Sarah overstepped the bounds, and we know that because Joyce was mortified and humiliated. We saw Joyce being mortified and humiliated. We saw Sarah be happy at Joyce being mortified and humiliated.
Is Lucy being judgmental towards her? Good! That’s exactly how she should be, because Lucy just saw Sarah mortify and humiliate another friend for the lolz. I wish more people were like Lucy, because then we’d have fewer toxic and abusive friendships being enabled by friend groups.
Chromatic Roses
did you forget that sarah immediately asked if she overstepped boundaries with joyce after lucy said she was being too mean and, instead of saying yes, joyce then turned around and teased sarah in turn?
Alongcameaspider
How exactly has Lucy tried to push Sarah out of the social circle?
Marillius
She is currently being a judgemental little prick toward Sarah, but only when none of the others are in ear shot. It’s a classic power play to try and sow doubt and annoyance and a total Raidah move, albeit she is an amateur at it and probably isn’t doing it on purpose.
She is definitely NOT sticking up for anyone here though, she’s just commenting on something outside of her new boyfriends hearing because she knows Walky would probably defend Sarah on some level, given that he himself is also a razzer.
Synnerman
Except Sarah has been to hell and back with her friend group. They’ve had people die and been grave danger, and Lucy just waltzes in plays her cards from an enemy of Sarah and Joyce.
Lucy is an outsider. And she’s bringing more mess with what she an Walky just concocted.
Freezer
So how does that make Sarah in any way less of a bongo in THIS scenario?
Marillius
In this exact scenario where someone just called her an awful person and she fired back? Sarah isn’t a bongo.
A moment ago when Sarah gave some REAL ADVICE that kids don’t want to hear, about how not every relationship needs to be a ride or die and how going to sitcom levels of length to make a point is dumb and silly? Sarah is still not a bongo.
In a scenario where a girl is desperately in love with a guy she barely knows, has been idolizing her roommate for months without any basis for anything she believes of Jennifer and has a tendency to be a prejudicial, judgmental girl who never rethinks her first impressions of anyone is going out of her way to only speak meanly to someone when none of the friend group she is only just barely becoming a part of can here and Sarah defends herself? Sarah is not a bongo.
Better question, in what world IS Sarah a bongo?
Freezer
The world where she thinks “This is a stupid idea. You should dump him.” is good friendly advice. The world where she thinks being arbitrarily mean makes her lovable.
Suzi
Honestly? Lucy deserved this. She just insulted Sarah, without knowing the whole story, by specifically triggering one of the hardest decisions Sarah has had to make. LUCY was being mean. She was using information she gained from someone else to HURT Sarah’s feelings. She deserved this. I would argue SARAH has been patient with her up to this point.
Lucy is normally wonderful but she is making a huge miscalculation (twice in one day!) and Sarah is finally calling out her naivity and ignorance. Is she being mean about it and shitting on Lucy’s choice of who she dates? Absolutely. But Lucy shot back with all she had against Sarah, and I think she’s learned that Sarah has bigger guns.
Mano308gts
Man, now I*know* we’re not reading the same comic…
Because Sarah’s been WAAAAAY out of line, even by her already pretty harsh standards… And this one just takes the cake. There’s ‘honesty’, then there’s ‘cruel honesty’. She’s not *wrong* (except that she continues to dump on Walky for literally no reason at every chance)… But she’s wrong in actually bringing it up.
Sarah’s one of the core members of the social group, and not only one of them- but also one of the more important ones (the group protector/watchdog personality)… And Lucy’s just a member’s significant other…
BUT it’s entirely clique-ish and rude to talk about it. It reeks of ‘no true Scotsman’.
Suzi
I dunno mano, Lucy already came in last time swinging. Last time they interacted, Sarah made a jab at Joyce (that Walky even was involved in joking about), and Lucy went “you’re not nice to your so-called friends” -> implying that Sarah and Joyce weren’t as close as they are, and that she believes Raidah. Lucy keeps pushing Sarah’s buttons. Was it harsh? Yeah. Was saying “I don’t jettison people” to Sarah ALSO harsh? I’d argue yes.
Sarah abso-fucking-lutely needs to learn that she doesn’t NEED to insert herself into every situation. She could have just ignored Lucy and Walky. BUT…. if Lucy is gonna keep swinging punches, she needs to brace for a swing back. And Sarah, as we have learned with Raidah, doesn’t hold her punches well.
Tan
Calling a tourist a tourist isn’t exactly the same as No True Scotsman. She’s not saying Lucy CAN’T be part of the friend group, just that it’s pretty clear that that isn’t Lucy’s agenda.
Marillius
You are definitely not reading the same comic we are. Sarah has explicit permission from some of the group (Joyce, Becky, etc) and implied permission from others (Walky) to act like a sassy ass toward them and razz them in her own way. Walky has fired back when it happens to him (if I recall correctly) and is absolutely a razzer himself so sees no harm in it. Sarah is hanging with her friends and this random new girl that JUST started hanging out with them is judging her for how she does that.
Meanwhile Lucy has regularly made snap judgements about people based on first impressions (Walky and Jennifer) that she never rethinks no matter how much evidence there is, going out of her way to only firm up the sometimes insane levels of fantasy she has created surrounding them rather than assess, adjust and adapt to new information. She’s doing the same with Sarah, ignoring ALL THE EVIDENCE that Sarah’s friend group is totally okay with it, and than went a step further. When she got told off by the group for trying to call out Sarah in front of them, she decided to wait until they were alone.
Nono
Oh boy todayās comments section will be fun!
Clif
I kind of feel I should be upset with Sarah, but I’m not.
Rabbit
Same. Because she’s not wrong (Lucy only there cuz she wants Walky’s three-date-determined sex time/dating), and Lucy’s been barbing at her all day. Even if Sarah deserved to be talked to about flouting sensitive info to joke at Joyce’s expense, Lucy was NOT the person who should have done it.
Also she’s really easily led by the nose (I.E Raidah) Despite the fact her own boyfriend seemed put off by her comments.
Warcodered
Yeah the person that should be around to check Sarah is Dorothy, but she’s off losing her mind somewhere.
Grimey
It isā¦Very brutal but itās alsoā¦kinda true? Itās not like sheās made an effort to know anyone outside of forcing the issue of being with Walky?
DailyBrad
Not necessarily, like we have seen her go to church with Becky, for instance, which makes sense as they are coworkers. But yeah, she could probably stand to get to know the others some more, sure.
Angel
Yeah she and becky seemingly get along well enough to go to church together, i’d love to see some wholesome lucy/dina interactions or so
Nono
Eh, she invited Joyce to go to church with her. Sheās been going to church with Becky. Sheās in math class with Joyce and Walky and Sal.
Sheās been in the dorm enough to recognise some of the other residents like Agatha.
Sheās not quite a FRIEND friend, but sheās made more of an effort thanā¦ well, Sarah.
AntJ
Sarah fought their kidnappers with a baseball bat. They can never truly reject her after that.
Wraithy2773
Why not? Does one act of bravery mean that everyone else has to put up with a person’s insufferable attitude indefinitely?
Sarah did a good thing. They were no doubt very grateful. But that doesn’t last forever, and doesn’t give her carte blanche to do whatever forever.
C.T. Phipps
Joyce and Sarah are best friends. Joyce knows Sarah will be there for all of their horrible moments as well as losing her faith.
Sarah just seems to be someone determined to shit on Lucy’s life choices for no objective reason other than spite.
Everything Sarah did that Joyce found endearing or helpful, Lucy just hates.
MisterJinKC
No objective reason? Lucy has been judgy with Sarah and bringing up one of if not the most painful memories she has every chance she gets. She heard one thing from Raidah and instead of asking Sarah her side decided to just passive aggressively bring it up all the time like it was established fact. Sarah is being more of a dick to Lucy than to others, but Lucy started the escalation.
Rabbit
This is my take away too.
SDRainbow
Two acts of bravery, at least – Sarah has multiple baseball-bat-related defense of Joyce.
Wraithy2773
For Joyce, yes, and it would take a metric fuckton for Joyce to cut ties with Sarah, fully agreed.
But for Dorothy, Walky, Dina, Becky, and the rest? Less there, and they tend to get a lot more vicious barbs than sisterly affection from Sarah…
Alongcameaspider
I mean when it really comes down to it Joyce is kind of her only actual friend isn’t she? Maybe Dina as well, but the rest she tolerates for Joyce’s sake
Luna
Walky and Becky, sure, but Sarah gets along very well with Dina, who’s also stated pretty clearly that she appreciates the fact that Sarah is blunt and honest with her regardless of how ‘nice’ she is about it. She’s also always had a pretty decent relationship with Dorothy. I wouldn’t call them close, especially post-time skip, but she’s not usually as acerbic with her.
wilddeath
In short? Yes.
In long? It wasn’t a single act of bravery. Sarah has been there for more shit than lucy can ever catch up with. Sarah is part of the group whether she wants to be or not.
jpnr
I don’t think this entitles you to insult random people and or their boyfriends
Freemage
You mean like calling someone you just met a future war criminal? Because Lucy doesn’t seem to think insulting random people is particularly bad, so long as it’s a popular person doing the insulting.
Marillius
Sarah regularly goes out of her way to help Joyce, even if half the time she is delegating. Sarah regularly steps outside of her comfort zone for Joyce, even when she hates doing it. Sarah wasn’t even trying to be Joyce’s friend and still was a great person for Joyce to rely on and Sarah almost never fails to assist when Joyce asks for help, save when it would be extremely comical too or Joyce is being ridiculous.
zee
Joyce has literally in comic called out that all Sarah does to show love are occasional grand gestures but never does the kind little things day to day that tell you she actually cares. That comic itself as pointed this out as a flaw
Marillius
I can probably find at least a dozen times that Sarah herself goes out of her way and emotional comfort zone to help Joyce specifically. Sarah doesn’t show affection the way others do, but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t show affection or care. You’re just kind of an ass for assuming everyone has to be all hugs and kisses and niceness. Some friends raz each other. Some friends do it to show affection. Sarah IS regularly going out of her way to be a better friend to Joyce just by interacting with her, and is in her own way doing far more than almost anyone else in the comic to be a good friend.
newlland(Henryvolt)
This is all within the circumstance of them interning her comfort zone or them just so happening to have a class together, or her just being around. For instance If she was making an effort go out of her way to know people personally she would have come to Sarah personally about her past with Dana instead instead of this.
Aslan
Is it? By that metric, Sarah has made more of an effort to avoid knowing anyone in the group. At every instance of inclusion, she bemoans the fact that sheās there. The only person sheās remotely close to is Joyce.
Steve C.