GP: Is Eris true?
M2: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don’t know man, I didn’t do it.
“The good old days were always 30 years ago, because that’s when you were too young to question your parents’ bullshit.” XD (-_-)
Clif
I question whether I was too young to question my parents bullshit at 46.
Also, false things are especially true.
Just_IDD
In my experience, almost anyone using the phrase “good ol’ days” either never lived through them, or lived in a golden environment of being shielded from any responsibility during them. The only exception I can think of is “before the war.”
Elsewise
Bashir: So how much of it was true?
Garak: All of it
Bashir: Even the lies?
Garak: Especially the lies
-Deep Space Nine
Sarah Lea
I’m all here for UnexpectedTrek.
Especially the Deep Space Nine
Cholma
Yesh. Any Bashir/Garak or Bashir/O’Brien interactions are always a delight!
*puts on my best agnostic hat* Now Becky, you cannot prove for sure whether or not God is real or fake. Ergo, insisting that your statement of “God is fake” is a true statement, is incorrect. What is your evidence? You gotta think of this stuff if you truly wanna be a scientist, Becks!
*puts on best atheist hat* That would be faulty logic b/c science would put the burden of proof is on the one claiming God is real and there is no observable material data to even put forth the existence of God as a hypothesis worth investigating. She should probably just talk to her girlfriend irregardless.
*puts on best English hat* irregardless isn’t a word, please see me after class
Jallorn
*puts on barely acceptable amateur etymologist hat* language is an ever evolving thing that does not and will not conform to the dictates of a prescriptivist rulebook. Irregardless is becoming, if not already has become, a word.
Thing 2
Well, yes, true. But the logic (illogic even) of it…
Irregardles ought to be the opposite of regard-less, ie regarding.
Aquila
Yeap, “irregardless” is a double negative in a single word.
morleuca
According to the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, irregardless means regardless, and has been in use since around 1910.
Adept
I hate it so much, and will judge people using it. Same for saying dice when talking about a single die. Alea iacta est.
Chris
Has been in use since 1910 … and. every. single. time. some English major, or even corporal manages to stick their unasked and unwanted opinions about the fact that it is NOT a word into the conversation.
go ahead, poke a stick into THAT grammar and spelling, I’s dares yas.
On the realm of popping out a bad memory for me personally… I grew up very near the border of Canada and my first day in a new school, 2nd grade, I was asked to spell color, and did so. C..O..L..O..U..R.. I was sent to the corner for insisting that I was right and ridiculed by my classmates.
Miri
@Chris try being a British kid living in California for two years, from the ages of 6-8 and working out what the heck spelling even is… I work in publishing now. Differences in spellings and meanings in our common language that separates us are interesting!
Lexi
Adept, I will continue to say dice instead of die until more people understand that die means “singular dice.”
Until that becomes more commonly recognized, clarity trumps pedantry.
Also, irregardless is an entirely valid word, has been for over a century, and is FAR more enjoyable to say. It is exactly as valid of a word as me saying “Legit” or “Bet” or any other random bits of slang that have fallen into my vocab.
As for the complaint that it makes no sense because it’s a double negative? Yeah? And? It’s not the only word that we use that seems like it’s a double negative. There’s an ENTIRE CATEGORY of English words that have two meanings that are directly opposed to themselves. Think “clip”, which means to either cut something off… Or attach something. “Cleave” can mean two things being stuck together… Or two things cut apart. “Sanction” is either official permission to do a thing, or a penalty for breaking a law.
Given how nonsense English is, and how rapidly it changes, I will continue to use the words that bring me joy, irregardless of complaints
Sharizard
My logic will always be this:
Did you understand what i meant when i used that word?
Was there a chance that someone would misunderstand what i meant by using that word?
If the first is ‘yes’ and the second is ‘no’, then please don’t waste everyone’s time by complaining that it’s wrong.
In Britain there’s a joke of sorts where any word can be used to mean being extremely drunk ‘i got utterly gazaboed last night. Full on radiatored.’ And yes, i do think my logic still works even with these extreme examples.
If it can be generally understood by a community what is being said within context, then the word used was correct to be used at that point.
Next on Language Wars: “flammable” and “inflammable”.
Chris
I don’t understand… flammable means “easily set on fire” and inflammable means….. oh.
Clean up on Isle 6, exploded brains.
Yumi
This is a straight up dangerous one.
Miri
Stop fanning the flames with your inflammatory rhetoric!
You’ll start a conflagration amongst the congregation!
Lexi
Actually, inflammable and flammable mean different things.
Something that is flammable means you can set it on fire, like wood.
Something that is inflammable can burst into flames without an ignition, like certain gases or elements when exposed to oxygen
Sharizard
I always kind of wanted inflammable to be redefined as ‘instantly flammable’. Like with chemicals.
But the dictionary people didn’t respond…
thejeff
Interestingly “inflammable” is older than flammable and possibly older than the common use of “in” as a negation prefix. It’s the same derivation as “inflame” or “inflammation”
“Flammable” is a much more recent back formation from inflammable created precisely to avoid the possible confusion of people thinking the in negated the meaning.
Otis
* puts on non-existent entomologist hat *
Hey gang, look at this neat beetle!
Old Becky would be fascinated by that Catholic scientist show about investigating miracles.
Joyce would be horrified as Catholics are the Beast.
Then correct herself and say they’re not because she’s an atheist and then say something equally offensive.
Sad Becky hates science, God, herself, and probably Funko Pops.
SillyGoose
These girls take their religion way too seriously. There’s such a wide range to choose from, join the European-style casual buffet my friends.
Come to think of it in Becky’s case it seems to also be how she thinks about sexuality so maybe generally speaking what she needs is stop being such a Sith?
Hugs when you’re both walking are awkward. Do you do the side hug that always feels kinda not enough? Or do you stop and go for the full comfort body press but then you’ve just stopped in the middle of the street and are now a public obstruction
No I’ve not spent too much time thinking about this you shut up
Think about her life with her dad for the last decade. When on earth has a conversation gone her way? She clearly made a mistake and broke everything and no one loves her and she’ll die alone, like always, except for the times where that didn’t happen which were exceptions.
Compare that with how Hank accepted Joyce right off the bat. Obviously the common factor and thus the problem is Becky.
And that’s why Joyce didn’t return her love even though she’s gay too. It’s because of Becky. She’s the problem. Of course Dina left her. She’s the problem.
Her feelings for Joyce are definitely part of this, but I don’t think they’re even most of it. And I don’t think Dina realizes that.
This right here. Becky is falling back on old habits, old thought patterns. She has been able to put them aside in her mind hanging out with Dina and being the extroverted wacky “hey eberyone guess what, i’m a lesbian” goofball she wants to be, but recent changes in her social circle, changes she cannot control, and she can only repress so hard. Obviously her dad was a scumbag, but it is also worth considering how very much Becky is also still struggling with the sudden loss of her mother. And indeed, while we do not know what Ross was like when Beck’s mom was still alive, I have very little doubt the loss of his wife exarcebated any and all toxicity in his behavior. Would he have gone on a gun-toting rampage if he wasn’t also still reeling from his wife’s death and, rather than healthily grieve her, just decided to double down on controlling his surroundings? Maybe, but maybe not.
Becky got a double whammy of trauma. First she loses her mom, completely out of left field (from Becky’s perspective, at least) and did not (or was not allowed to) properly grieve that. Then she dealth with her father’s descent into madness because he never took the time to grieve his wife healthily, which probably had a hand in his inflicting further trauma on Becky.
Becky has been given a raw deal, time and time again, and has very much had to raise herself in the last few years with little in the way of older support from parents, guardians, mentors, or even an older sibling. Sure, her peers have been helpful, but a) her peers are not any more experienced than she in a lot of this stuff, and b) what happens when her peer group is part of the problem? Sure, Dina was trying her best to deprogram Becky, but a) Dina is her partner not a therapist, and b) Dina honestly comes from a world so different than Becky that her best attempts are relative shots in the dark.
Her calling Robin and Leslie her “mom’s” is a freudian slip for the ages. It tells you everything you need to know about how they are the closest to a support network she’s got. Heartwarming and heartbreaking in equal measure.
The point of Christianity is to stop being one of the people doing the nailing.
Adept
Are you sure? What I see in the news from people who identify as Christians, suggests they are quite keen to hammer in some nails, or at least cheer when others do it for them.
I went from being a vaguely non practicing christian as a child to being full on atheist already by my teens and unnoticed christian values, traditions and expressions still often come up in my life. Becky will never fully be separated from her christian upbringing.
Becky
Becky listen to me
Listen Becky you gotta hear this
BECKY
You can still T A L K to Dina. Have a li’l chat. You’re neighbors you literally can’t avoid seeing each other.
That’s the problem, chief. Becky has convinced herself that having the difficult conversation will inevitably result in Dina dumping her because she’s an inadequate partner. So instead, she’s planning to burn her life down before anybody else gets the chance.
153 thoughts on “Unsay”
shadowcell
dumb true things
Pocky
very dumb things
Zaxares
“You wish that I were Joyce.”
“… Yes.”
It’s pretty hard to come back from that, yeah. 🙁
Sirksome
Trust hugs.
Effie
Don’t trust true things.
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GP: Is Eris true?
M2: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don’t know man, I didn’t do it.
– Principia Discordia
Steamweed
A call to a distant past. Simpler times.
thejeff
Not really sure the early 60s were simpler times.
NGPZ
“The good old days were always 30 years ago, because that’s when you were too young to question your parents’ bullshit.” XD (-_-)
Clif
I question whether I was too young to question my parents bullshit at 46.
Also, false things are especially true.
Just_IDD
In my experience, almost anyone using the phrase “good ol’ days” either never lived through them, or lived in a golden environment of being shielded from any responsibility during them. The only exception I can think of is “before the war.”
Elsewise
Bashir: So how much of it was true?
Garak: All of it
Bashir: Even the lies?
Garak: Especially the lies
-Deep Space Nine
Sarah Lea
I’m all here for UnexpectedTrek.
Especially the Deep Space Nine
Cholma
Yesh. Any Bashir/Garak or Bashir/O’Brien interactions are always a delight!
Wizard
Please consider yourself upvoted.
abelundercity
“Never trust a hug. It’s just a way of hiding your face.” – The Doctor
C.T Phipps
Becky: I am burning my life down, Leslie. Don’t interrupt.
Lokitsu
But if you could pick up some marshmallows and sticks, that’d be nice.
nadamás
Leslie is the best mom (Not like the standards are very high on this comic)
Doopyboop
*puts on my best agnostic hat* Now Becky, you cannot prove for sure whether or not God is real or fake. Ergo, insisting that your statement of “God is fake” is a true statement, is incorrect. What is your evidence? You gotta think of this stuff if you truly wanna be a scientist, Becks!
C.T Phipps
No, no, Becky isn’t into science anymore either.
Or chocolate.
Because Joyce.
Cameron Stone
*puts on best atheist hat* That would be faulty logic b/c science would put the burden of proof is on the one claiming God is real and there is no observable material data to even put forth the existence of God as a hypothesis worth investigating. She should probably just talk to her girlfriend irregardless.
ary
*puts on best English hat* irregardless isn’t a word, please see me after class
Jallorn
*puts on barely acceptable amateur etymologist hat* language is an ever evolving thing that does not and will not conform to the dictates of a prescriptivist rulebook. Irregardless is becoming, if not already has become, a word.
Thing 2
Well, yes, true. But the logic (illogic even) of it…
Irregardles ought to be the opposite of regard-less, ie regarding.
Aquila
Yeap, “irregardless” is a double negative in a single word.
morleuca
According to the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, irregardless means regardless, and has been in use since around 1910.
Adept
I hate it so much, and will judge people using it. Same for saying dice when talking about a single die. Alea iacta est.
Chris
Has been in use since 1910 … and. every. single. time. some English major, or even corporal manages to stick their unasked and unwanted opinions about the fact that it is NOT a word into the conversation.
go ahead, poke a stick into THAT grammar and spelling, I’s dares yas.
On the realm of popping out a bad memory for me personally… I grew up very near the border of Canada and my first day in a new school, 2nd grade, I was asked to spell color, and did so. C..O..L..O..U..R.. I was sent to the corner for insisting that I was right and ridiculed by my classmates.
Miri
@Chris try being a British kid living in California for two years, from the ages of 6-8 and working out what the heck spelling even is… I work in publishing now. Differences in spellings and meanings in our common language that separates us are interesting!
Lexi
Adept, I will continue to say dice instead of die until more people understand that die means “singular dice.”
Until that becomes more commonly recognized, clarity trumps pedantry.
Also, irregardless is an entirely valid word, has been for over a century, and is FAR more enjoyable to say. It is exactly as valid of a word as me saying “Legit” or “Bet” or any other random bits of slang that have fallen into my vocab.
As for the complaint that it makes no sense because it’s a double negative? Yeah? And? It’s not the only word that we use that seems like it’s a double negative. There’s an ENTIRE CATEGORY of English words that have two meanings that are directly opposed to themselves. Think “clip”, which means to either cut something off… Or attach something. “Cleave” can mean two things being stuck together… Or two things cut apart. “Sanction” is either official permission to do a thing, or a penalty for breaking a law.
Given how nonsense English is, and how rapidly it changes, I will continue to use the words that bring me joy, irregardless of complaints
Sharizard
My logic will always be this:
Did you understand what i meant when i used that word?
Was there a chance that someone would misunderstand what i meant by using that word?
If the first is ‘yes’ and the second is ‘no’, then please don’t waste everyone’s time by complaining that it’s wrong.
In Britain there’s a joke of sorts where any word can be used to mean being extremely drunk ‘i got utterly gazaboed last night. Full on radiatored.’ And yes, i do think my logic still works even with these extreme examples.
If it can be generally understood by a community what is being said within context, then the word used was correct to be used at that point.
John Campbell
@Adept
I think you mean “Aleae iacta est”.
thejeff
@Sharizard: Along similar lines I could care less
SillyGoose
Next on Language Wars: “flammable” and “inflammable”.
Chris
I don’t understand… flammable means “easily set on fire” and inflammable means….. oh.
Clean up on Isle 6, exploded brains.
Yumi
This is a straight up dangerous one.
Miri
Stop fanning the flames with your inflammatory rhetoric!
You’ll start a conflagration amongst the congregation!
Lexi
Actually, inflammable and flammable mean different things.
Something that is flammable means you can set it on fire, like wood.
Something that is inflammable can burst into flames without an ignition, like certain gases or elements when exposed to oxygen
Sharizard
I always kind of wanted inflammable to be redefined as ‘instantly flammable’. Like with chemicals.
But the dictionary people didn’t respond…
thejeff
Interestingly “inflammable” is older than flammable and possibly older than the common use of “in” as a negation prefix. It’s the same derivation as “inflame” or “inflammation”
“Flammable” is a much more recent back formation from inflammable created precisely to avoid the possible confusion of people thinking the in negated the meaning.
Otis
* puts on non-existent entomologist hat *
Hey gang, look at this neat beetle!
Doopyboop
Oooh, a beetle!!
Clif
Is it Paul or Ringo?
C.T Phipps
Old Becky would be fascinated by that Catholic scientist show about investigating miracles.
Joyce would be horrified as Catholics are the Beast.
Then correct herself and say they’re not because she’s an atheist and then say something equally offensive.
Sad Becky hates science, God, herself, and probably Funko Pops.
SillyGoose
These girls take their religion way too seriously. There’s such a wide range to choose from, join the European-style casual buffet my friends.
Come to think of it in Becky’s case it seems to also be how she thinks about sexuality so maybe generally speaking what she needs is stop being such a Sith?
Tequila Mockingbird
+1, would upvote this if I could for that last line. Bravo.
Nono
Hugs when you’re both walking are awkward. Do you do the side hug that always feels kinda not enough? Or do you stop and go for the full comfort body press but then you’ve just stopped in the middle of the street and are now a public obstruction
No I’ve not spent too much time thinking about this you shut up
Astariel
Goddammit, Becky.
Dot
Need to shake Becky and impress upon her that she doesn’t need to un-say anything but she does need to have an actual for real conversation with Dina
Sirksome
I’m starting to think she doesn’t want to.
Fail Earnhardt
More specifically, she’s scared that the conversation will lead to Dina realizing Becky was holding her back
Big Z
I’m there, with a side order of “I don’t deserve to find out that she was just temporarily upset, I deserve to lose her so I’m going to assume I did.”
C.T Phipps
Becky: I break up with you because I am bad for you!
Dina: Okay.
SillyGoose
Yeah the whole “you’re can’t fire me, I quit!” solution is really a pity when you’re not even necessarily getting fired in the first place.
DashWallkick
Think about her life with her dad for the last decade. When on earth has a conversation gone her way? She clearly made a mistake and broke everything and no one loves her and she’ll die alone, like always, except for the times where that didn’t happen which were exceptions.
Parental abuse fucks you up bad.
thejeff
Compare that with how Hank accepted Joyce right off the bat. Obviously the common factor and thus the problem is Becky.
And that’s why Joyce didn’t return her love even though she’s gay too. It’s because of Becky. She’s the problem. Of course Dina left her. She’s the problem.
Her feelings for Joyce are definitely part of this, but I don’t think they’re even most of it. And I don’t think Dina realizes that.
Tequila Mockingbird
This right here. Becky is falling back on old habits, old thought patterns. She has been able to put them aside in her mind hanging out with Dina and being the extroverted wacky “hey eberyone guess what, i’m a lesbian” goofball she wants to be, but recent changes in her social circle, changes she cannot control, and she can only repress so hard. Obviously her dad was a scumbag, but it is also worth considering how very much Becky is also still struggling with the sudden loss of her mother. And indeed, while we do not know what Ross was like when Beck’s mom was still alive, I have very little doubt the loss of his wife exarcebated any and all toxicity in his behavior. Would he have gone on a gun-toting rampage if he wasn’t also still reeling from his wife’s death and, rather than healthily grieve her, just decided to double down on controlling his surroundings? Maybe, but maybe not.
Becky got a double whammy of trauma. First she loses her mom, completely out of left field (from Becky’s perspective, at least) and did not (or was not allowed to) properly grieve that. Then she dealth with her father’s descent into madness because he never took the time to grieve his wife healthily, which probably had a hand in his inflicting further trauma on Becky.
Becky has been given a raw deal, time and time again, and has very much had to raise herself in the last few years with little in the way of older support from parents, guardians, mentors, or even an older sibling. Sure, her peers have been helpful, but a) her peers are not any more experienced than she in a lot of this stuff, and b) what happens when her peer group is part of the problem? Sure, Dina was trying her best to deprogram Becky, but a) Dina is her partner not a therapist, and b) Dina honestly comes from a world so different than Becky that her best attempts are relative shots in the dark.
Her calling Robin and Leslie her “mom’s” is a freudian slip for the ages. It tells you everything you need to know about how they are the closest to a support network she’s got. Heartwarming and heartbreaking in equal measure.
Fail Earnhardt
For someone who just renounced God, Becky is awfully eager to nail herself to the cross
Airyu
Underrated comment
Andrusi
I mean the whole point of Christianity is that someone else already did the cross thing
Andrusi
[appears in a flash of light]
I have traveled back in time to avert catastrophe by clarifying that this is a flippant joke and not a serious statement about religious doctrine.
Rimwalker55
No, no, you’re right. That is the whole point.
Ed Callahano
The point of Christianity is to stop being one of the people doing the nailing.
Adept
Are you sure? What I see in the news from people who identify as Christians, suggests they are quite keen to hammer in some nails, or at least cheer when others do it for them.
Fernanda
I went from being a vaguely non practicing christian as a child to being full on atheist already by my teens and unnoticed christian values, traditions and expressions still often come up in my life. Becky will never fully be separated from her christian upbringing.
Tequila Mockingbird
Brilliant. If I could upvote it, I would.
thejeff
“Come down off the cross, we can use the wood” — Tom Waits
RassilonTDavros
Dumbing of Age Book 16: A Hug’d Be Nice
IntangibleMatter
Them being true doesn’t mean you can’t make amends. That’s one that I’ve had to learn and re-learn over the years.
Embe13
hugs are nice!
Bill Erak
Becky
Becky listen to me
Listen Becky you gotta hear this
BECKY
You can still T A L K to Dina. Have a li’l chat. You’re neighbors you literally can’t avoid seeing each other.
Fail Earnhardt
That’s the problem, chief. Becky has convinced herself that having the difficult conversation will inevitably result in Dina dumping her because she’s an inadequate partner. So instead, she’s planning to burn her life down before anybody else gets the chance.
Adept
She’s a very dramatic person.
DashWallkick