Looking back at previous strips Carla does seem just slightly taller now compared to Joyce. That said, she’s on newer skates which could have a different height…
Only accidentally, when he’s not paying attention and is merely reacting to others. The moment he tries to do something active and on purpose, he immediately starts danning things up.
I’m still trying to figure out how he managed to get with a top-tier character like Dorothy. The only thing I can think of was that the dating pool was really terrible wherever he and Dorothy (and Joe!) came from.
No, while he can be oblivious, and screws up from time to time, he’s a good, kind person who does his best to do right by people.
In his many – very conscious, deliberate – attempts to get Amber to not be so hard on herself, he knocked it out of the park. His attempts to be supportive of Ethan were similarly well done.
And he was did better at math tutoring than an actual teacher.
As much as I can see why Dorothy broke up with him, I can also see why she was dating him in the first place
foamy
Damn straight. Dan’s got his flaws, but it’s mostly because he’s not had the life experience yet to ground himself. He’s genuinely kind guy.
Wait, there was an S sub-series of Final Fantasy? When was that, and which game was it based on? HOW DID I MISS THIS!?!?!?!?!
(Disclaimer: I’ve never played any FF games. Period. I have no idea if sub-series and/or alternate storylines are even a thing with Final Fantasy. I get the sense I am missing something, at least regarding the original, III, VII, and IX. Apparently with XI and XIII, not so much.)
Thor
In this case, the “S” stands for “Sports” It was a Final Fantasy game developed exclusively for the Wii, where you could take your favorite spiky-haired bishies and have them play ping-pong, go bowling, or do 18 holes of golf. It’s the Final Fantasy game for the whole family!
Ultra Car’s muffler was manufactured in the Netherlands, so he pays tribute to that part of his heritage. It’s the same way I celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day even though only my mom’s side of the family is Irish.
Carla observes all of the UC holidays. His tape deck is Japanese, his carburetor is German, his “Back Off” mudflaps with Yosemite Sam were made in Texas…
She, fem-bot, and any number of other she/her pronouns on the wiki. I am not a reader of the other comics, but it was super jarring to see her referred to in male pronouns at all, being a trans person myself.
Doctor_Who
A thousand pardons.
Andy
Thank you for acknowledging your mistake.
Nono
So just a hypothetical question for the sake of clarification.
If a trans person (who is in the process of transitioning or hasn’t started it yet) confides in me that they’re trans, but they’re not out yet, what’s the ‘polite’ pronoun to use in public company? The pronoun that they’d prefer to be called by, or the one that minimizes the risk of outing them?
I haven’t encountered that situation myself, and it’d likely be a case-by-case basis, but just wanted to make sure I don’t step in a pitfall if that does happen.
Yossarianduck
I can’t seem to reply to @Nono, , but the best course of action is probably to ask them and go from there. A big part of pronoun usage is about giving the person in question agency over their identity, so keep that in mind.
FWIW, I’m not Trans*, just someone who tries to listen, so if I’ve gotten anything wrong, I welcome any correction from the many smart Trans* folk here (looking at you @Cerberus).
foamy
I have in fact encountered this precise situation. I asked, which is what I would suggest anyone else do as well. If that’s not possible, try “they”.
Nono, the best practice is generally to ask the person what they’d prefer you to call them in public.
Beyond that or lacking that, my general tactics are as follows:
If you’re speaking vaguely to people with no connection or knowledge of the person in question, just use their real pronoun and don’t mention names just say “Oh, I have a friend who and (she/he/they/xe/etc…) said”.
If you’re speaking to folks they know and are not out to or more specifically about them by name, my go-to strategy is to just cut out pronouns entirely where I can get away with it. A lot of folks will go a long way in a conversation of that style before noticing you’ve not used a single pronoun. It’s what I do a lot with parents to minimize the amount of times I have to misgender a student in the charting.
But yeah, when in doubt, ask the trans person. Most trans people are happy to answer questions like that as it can mean less awkward interactions down the line and shows also that you respect and care about our safety and well-being.
Genie
I can’t seem to reply to Cerberus’ comment, but on an interesting tangent about not using pronouns, there’s a fantasy novel called At Amberleaf Fair where one character is never gendered at all. For 186 pages, no gendered pronoun was ever used with respect to this person – and it is not obvious or forced. It’s pretty amazing and inspirational, and really shows how flexible you can be with language to remain respectful.
@Genie The Japanese language is not impressed by that anecdote.
foamy
@Genie: There’s a limit to how deep comments can be nested.
In the same vein as your suggestion, you might be interested in the Ancillary series, by Ann Leckie, which also plays some interesting games with pronouns (in addition to being good stories in their own right).
Wow. That’s a lot of misgendering in one comment. Even before the chassis upgrade, I don’t think UC ever identified as male. And let us remember that Carla isn’t Ultra Car, anyway.
I’m willing to assume that was negligence on your part. Please assure me that it was.
I’ve read this comic all the way through. Some parts of it multiple times. I’ve also read much of Shortpacked, including many parts with Ultra-Car. Until you said that Carla, a person with red hair often seen on wheels who loves engineering, is Ultra-Car, I never even thought that.
I am full of shame.
DinaWho
How recent have you read in Shortpacked? If you haven’t read much from after UC’s chassis upgrade, it’s understandable not to make the connection.
Goblin Scribe
It blew my mind when I realized that Ultra Car turned into Carla. My friend was like, “Yeah, DUH,” and I was like, “Shut up, Pam.”
377 thoughts on “Weekdays”
Ana Chronistic
shit, I need to be on THAT work schedule
AnvilPro
Did Carla get really tall? I don’t remember her towering over Joyce even with skates before
Theo
Nah, Carla was always that tall.
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2017/comic/book-7/03-the-thing-i-was-before/unraveling/
Pigeon Pollyx
hey that was a good comic to bring back
rectilinearpropagation
You know, looking at their faces in the background now, I think they did it just to mess with her.
Pigeon Pollyx
heck dude don’t ruin a good thing. They can do both.
Lan
Carla’s one of those Amazons from Futurama. Except with a pechant for engineering of the radical kind.
Eyebrow
I didn’t know she was Dutch.
Delicious Taffy
Carla’s father is the Slender Man. That is why she is so tall.
vlademir1
Looking back at previous strips Carla does seem just slightly taller now compared to Joyce. That said, she’s on newer skates which could have a different height…
fillerusername
Aww I miss Danny.
Thor
FFS, why?
Fart Captor
He’s a good egg, Thorp
Thor
Only accidentally, when he’s not paying attention and is merely reacting to others. The moment he tries to do something active and on purpose, he immediately starts danning things up.
I’m still trying to figure out how he managed to get with a top-tier character like Dorothy. The only thing I can think of was that the dating pool was really terrible wherever he and Dorothy (and Joe!) came from.
Fart Captor
No, while he can be oblivious, and screws up from time to time, he’s a good, kind person who does his best to do right by people.
In his many – very conscious, deliberate – attempts to get Amber to not be so hard on herself, he knocked it out of the park. His attempts to be supportive of Ethan were similarly well done.
And he was did better at math tutoring than an actual teacher.
As much as I can see why Dorothy broke up with him, I can also see why she was dating him in the first place
foamy
Damn straight. Dan’s got his flaws, but it’s mostly because he’s not had the life experience yet to ground himself. He’s genuinely kind guy.
Joe Covenant
Besides which, if he was a *bad* egg, the first tune he’d have played on that damned uke would have been “I want it now!”
zoelogical
or that hack’s cover of weird al’s “word crimes”
Schol-R-LEA
Wait, there was an S sub-series of Final Fantasy? When was that, and which game was it based on? HOW DID I MISS THIS!?!?!?!?!
(Disclaimer: I’ve never played any FF games. Period. I have no idea if sub-series and/or alternate storylines are even a thing with Final Fantasy. I get the sense I am missing something, at least regarding the original, III, VII, and IX. Apparently with XI and XIII, not so much.)
Thor
In this case, the “S” stands for “Sports” It was a Final Fantasy game developed exclusively for the Wii, where you could take your favorite spiky-haired bishies and have them play ping-pong, go bowling, or do 18 holes of golf. It’s the Final Fantasy game for the whole family!
Pablo360
That makes sense.
Bagge
That’s the guy with the ukulele, right?
Roborat
Well, check your impact point and adjust the sight accordingly.
Remmington Steele
A uke and a trim cap is all a good egg needs to get by these days.
Toodle pip!
miados
we? um…. red heads?
Meta
the dutch?
Scoops
Again!
Mc
No, we’re not.
Doctor_Who
Ultra Car’s muffler was manufactured in the Netherlands, so he pays tribute to that part of his heritage. It’s the same way I celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day even though only my mom’s side of the family is Irish.
Carla observes all of the UC holidays. His tape deck is Japanese, his carburetor is German, his “Back Off” mudflaps with Yosemite Sam were made in Texas…
Nono
She?
Doctor_Who
I meant Ultra-Car, the in-universe cartoon character, I was under the impression that one used male pronouns, apologies if I remembered that wrong.
Andy
http://walkypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ultra_Car
She, fem-bot, and any number of other she/her pronouns on the wiki. I am not a reader of the other comics, but it was super jarring to see her referred to in male pronouns at all, being a trans person myself.
Doctor_Who
A thousand pardons.
Andy
Thank you for acknowledging your mistake.
Nono
So just a hypothetical question for the sake of clarification.
If a trans person (who is in the process of transitioning or hasn’t started it yet) confides in me that they’re trans, but they’re not out yet, what’s the ‘polite’ pronoun to use in public company? The pronoun that they’d prefer to be called by, or the one that minimizes the risk of outing them?
I haven’t encountered that situation myself, and it’d likely be a case-by-case basis, but just wanted to make sure I don’t step in a pitfall if that does happen.
Yossarianduck
I can’t seem to reply to @Nono, , but the best course of action is probably to ask them and go from there. A big part of pronoun usage is about giving the person in question agency over their identity, so keep that in mind.
FWIW, I’m not Trans*, just someone who tries to listen, so if I’ve gotten anything wrong, I welcome any correction from the many smart Trans* folk here (looking at you @Cerberus).
foamy
I have in fact encountered this precise situation. I asked, which is what I would suggest anyone else do as well. If that’s not possible, try “they”.
Cerberus
Nono, the best practice is generally to ask the person what they’d prefer you to call them in public.
Beyond that or lacking that, my general tactics are as follows:
If you’re speaking vaguely to people with no connection or knowledge of the person in question, just use their real pronoun and don’t mention names just say “Oh, I have a friend who and (she/he/they/xe/etc…) said”.
If you’re speaking to folks they know and are not out to or more specifically about them by name, my go-to strategy is to just cut out pronouns entirely where I can get away with it. A lot of folks will go a long way in a conversation of that style before noticing you’ve not used a single pronoun. It’s what I do a lot with parents to minimize the amount of times I have to misgender a student in the charting.
But yeah, when in doubt, ask the trans person. Most trans people are happy to answer questions like that as it can mean less awkward interactions down the line and shows also that you respect and care about our safety and well-being.
Genie
I can’t seem to reply to Cerberus’ comment, but on an interesting tangent about not using pronouns, there’s a fantasy novel called At Amberleaf Fair where one character is never gendered at all. For 186 pages, no gendered pronoun was ever used with respect to this person – and it is not obvious or forced. It’s pretty amazing and inspirational, and really shows how flexible you can be with language to remain respectful.
Pablo360
@Genie The Japanese language is not impressed by that anecdote.
foamy
@Genie: There’s a limit to how deep comments can be nested.
In the same vein as your suggestion, you might be interested in the Ancillary series, by Ann Leckie, which also plays some interesting games with pronouns (in addition to being good stories in their own right).
Andy
Who exactly are you even talking about with those pronouns?
Foxhack
I hope your S key is broken.
Kamino Neko
Shis?
Woobie
Burn the heretic!
Shiro
Dude, you’re a regular commenter, what’s even going on with Carla’s pronouns in your comment?
Shiro
Like, even if you’re talking about the TV show character Ultra Car, pretty sure she goes by female pronouns in this setting too.
Doctor_Who
Sorry, was talking about UC, not Carla.
Shiro
It’s okay, we’re just protective of our snarky lil asshole.
Pablo360
But UC is Amaiz-Girl
Dandi_Andi
Wow. That’s a lot of misgendering in one comment. Even before the chassis upgrade, I don’t think UC ever identified as male. And let us remember that Carla isn’t Ultra Car, anyway.
I’m willing to assume that was negligence on your part. Please assure me that it was.
Doctor_Who
Yes, sorry, I’m an imbecile.
Cerberus
*hugs* Brain farts happen, it’s cool.
Dandi_Andi
Thank you. I appreciate that.
And you’re not an imbecile. These things do happen.
Goblin Scribe
HAS ANYBODY TOLD YOU YET—
JK I know they have. I just wanted to be included in something. ;P
PumpkinWhat
I’ve read this comic all the way through. Some parts of it multiple times. I’ve also read much of Shortpacked, including many parts with Ultra-Car. Until you said that Carla, a person with red hair often seen on wheels who loves engineering, is Ultra-Car, I never even thought that.
I am full of shame.
DinaWho
How recent have you read in Shortpacked? If you haven’t read much from after UC’s chassis upgrade, it’s understandable not to make the connection.
Goblin Scribe
It blew my mind when I realized that Ultra Car turned into Carla. My friend was like, “Yeah, DUH,” and I was like, “Shut up, Pam.”
MK15
Never been disappointed to see Carla before!
Such a tease, Willis
Shaunock
ULTRACARLA
Schol-R-LEA
In my “Dumbing To Whateley” Whateley Academy/DoA crossover micro-fics, this is actually a thing.
Then again, so is Conquest being ordered to have a child with a lesbian, and Joe having a magical Glamour that makes him irresistible to women, so I’m playing a bit fast and loose with the canon of both series in those.
Schol-R-LEA
Of course, the Whateley Academy micro-scenes thread (which is used for short fanfic vignettes) gets a lot weirder than that.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C
Exhibits D-1 and D-2
Exhibit E
And for extra cross-over fun, here’s my own Tales of the Barman microfic for Twisting of the Hellmouth.
Yumi
Every day is a Christian Feast Day.
JessWitt
Every day is a Catholic saint’s day.
Yumi
Precisely.
Yossarianduck
The important thing is to commemorate the ones that died most gruesomely!
Delicious Taffy
What better way to honor their memories than to rub our own vigor in their faces?
Delicious Taffy
Their dead, lifeless, long-decayed faces
Harvey Janus
Technically but not quite the same as a feast day, and the actual calendar of feasts varies depending on the country.
Mr. Mendo
What a comically-mismatched pair! More please!
Gigafreak
Brown vest over a shirt with a horizontal yellow stripe? Joyce seems to be echoing her parallel-dimension self.
Makes me wonder if that world’s Joyce has ever interacted with that world’s Ultra-Car.
Shiro
Probably at one or more of the weddings, but she was probably in her new chassis by that point.
fillerusername