a) Are they worn loosely over the legs and pelvic region?
b) Do they cover the legs individually to or nearly to the ankles?
If yes to both, they are likely pants.
Pajama jeans ain’t jeans, but they’re pants.
Oh, so that’s why she wants to take it for a ride so badly (hurr hurr hurr). That way when she gets off (before she actually has to get off, if you know what I mean) it’s not because she was doing anything sinful, it was just a fortunate side effect.
Screwball
Like sitting on a washing machine? Gotta make sure no one runs off with her clothes…
As someone who coasted though school until collage then failed out, it’s hard to do that if you don’t have study skills. Walky is like me, he never picked them up and doesn’t know HOW to study. He’s never needed to.
Just Karen
I was the same way, though I failed out earlier (HS) for a number of reasons. I’m now learning study skills at 35 while I prepare to take a professional exam (the SE).
vlademir1
Pretty much. It doesn’t help that most US school systems are rather poor at teaching study skills and often don’t start until it’s much too late. It’s actually bad enough that some colleges have been introducing a course to teach them as a required course for incoming freshmen first term course load.
Kas
I wish my college had that… I also coasted through school until I hit college. I paid attention in class and wrote down anything I was told to and did well. That same approach did diddly-squat in college, especially when there were no notes to copy down, just lectures to listen to… A class on writing papers would have helped, too. Apparently the way I learned in high school was not the way either college I attended wanted it done.
jpic89
Never studied or took notes a day in my life, HS or college. Graduated college Cum Laude with a 3.6 GPA. Sometimes it’s not a matter of study skills, sometimes it really is either a) the person or b) the previous school was just really lax.
Inyo
“Study skills”… Yeah. I was just like walky too. Didn’t drop out but had a 1.7 Gpa my first semester? Pulled out of it through a mix of buckling down and changing my major. Was not easy.
The thing about study skills is its true I didn’t know how to study but also techniques others use don’t work for me. I don’t learn well by repetition and my eyes just glaze over if I keep reading the same notes. I had to figure out my own methods which have a lot of drawing and colors. If that sounds weird it probably is.
My biggest motivation for failing out wasn’t a girlfriend (didn’t have one then) but the total fear of having to go back to the awful town I grew up in. That was the fire under my butt n
It’s the same for me, and I actually can’t take notes. I can either pay attention, or take notes, not both – learning/memorizing information and writing things down are mutually exclusive brain functions. While I know that I’m atypical in my ability to learn by listening alone, I wonder how many people have this problem and aren’t able to learn because they’re too busy trying to take notes.
This is why a lot of people use a recording device or their phone to record the lecture while they are taking notes so they can go back and listen to the recorded lecture later
Probably a fair amount. And it’s pretty hard to raise your hand and ask for clarification on something in your notes in those giant auditorium college classes.
Disloyal Subject
My public education, on the other hand, pushed study skills to the exclusion of actual knowledge. Which might not have been so bad if they hadn’t insisted that everyone study the same way; I hate Cornell-format notes with a furious intensity.
Warfoki
I didn’t know what that system is, so I looked it up now and man, it’s unnecessarily overcomplicated. I just take notes by organising things as I go into main points and subpoints and to be able to keep up, I use a crapton of abbreviations. I prefer to take notes in the old fashioned way, as in with pen and paper, since it’s easier to add in things, link things together and draw figures. And it also allows me to doodle, if I’m bored. 😛 Of course after a busy lecture, my notes are messy, so after classes I sit down in front of my laptop and type the entire thing in, clear it up and format it nicely. Doing this makes me memorise which subpoints belongs under which main points, so I have a good grasp on the structure of the material. And that’s all I need. Once I have the basic structure and the most important keywords down, I can formulate my own answers. All I do before exams is reading through my notes a few times and I’m good to go. Writing questions, summaries and overthinking stuff would be a colossal waste of my time. But then again, each to their own.
Disloyal Subject
Sounds like we operate similarly, then – I take notes on binder paper & transcribe it into a notebook for neatness and memorization. I have a hard enough time repeating something I already did without the temptations of the internet 2 clicks away.
Yeah, as a teacher, I have a special type of disdain for programs that teach one “method” of doing things that they try and make everyone do by rote instead of teaching how to find the mix that works for them. Math classes are usually the worst for this these days as a lot of the formalized standards emphasize teaching methods over concepts even if those methods are not working for or making sense for the students.
Jump
I still remember being docked points for not “showing my work” in subtraction problems in elementary school. I’m not 100% sure, obviously, but I think I wasn’t even using that “borrow the one” method in my head to begin with — I certainly don’t use it in mental arithmetic as an adult.
ischemgeek
I have a back-asswards way of thinking about math, so “Show your work” stuff is hard for me.
I never had to study, from grade school to bachelor’s degree. I picked up what they put down on the first try the vast majority of the time, and even when I didn’t, they always presented it two or three times anyway, so I never really had to go out of my way to learn in school. I’m not trying to be a braggart, just pointing out that his initial assumptions weren’t entirely implausible, it worked just fine for me.
Some subjects work fine with that, but there *are* memorization-heavy subjects — or sometimes more accurately, memorization-heavy testing formats — that need some kind of review, regardless of whether it’s a traditional kind of study method or something entirely unique and individual. Mathematical, grammatical, and scientific principles — fine! Principles are fine and dandy! But the specifics of Attic Greek declensions, conjugations, and vocabulary? Eh… probably want to go over the paradigms and exceptions before you sit down with that translation exam.
Or, if Walky plays MMOs and does any regular raiding, a lot of the skills needed to complete current-tier raids reliably are basically study skills as applied to video games.
I’m 100% serious there. It was indeed my approach to developing college study skills. “I know how I learned to beat the hell out of the Lich King in WoW, so I know how I can learn to pass this class.”
I’m not sure “Fail 500 times before succeeding” is an option in real life.
…but I assume you actually mean doing the same thing over and over until you have mastered it to start the next phase where you continue doing the first phase each time while mastering the second phase, and onward until you have the whole thing on farm.
Nerd Patrol
Basically that, yes. Read up on what you need to know/do, and keep practicing over and over until you can accomplish your goal without even actively trying.
Actually it is. It’s pretty much the central theme of research science in fact. So anything R&D related or research science is all about failing and failing and failing and learning from each subsequent failure to gain more information.
Actually, a lot of things in life are about failing and trying again, getting better each time. Relationships, career paths, writing, game design…
Which makes it so bass-awkwards that one of the major places where failure is punished the most harshly is in education even though learning often involves a lot of experimentation and potential for failure.
Honestly, we would do better as a society to associate less value judgments for failure and to encourage failure as a good thing in society. I mean, failure usually comes from trying new things and that’s a key component for growth and development. Failure is a good thing, which is why personally I grade homework assignments for effort not quality, as it pinpoints what needs to be gone over again and which concepts for students are particularly sticking*.
*This is especially true for math and why Walky is probably floundering right now. Most math builds on previous concepts, so the first concept that doesn’t make intuitive sense, often creates a waterfall effect where you start failing on everything afterwards. Sadly, the lesson people often learn from this isn’t to pinpoint that one concept that isn’t clicking, but rather that they are just “bad at math”. This is especially true if the person is a woman as we have so much cultural baggage surrounding women and math. It’s a lot harder to get someone to reengage and learn they are good at something when they’ve convinced themselves they are “terrible at it”.
detective boomwolf
So… kinda like Dark Souls? Failing a few times before you remember that one trap that one shots you everytime and remembering to side step it so the monsters chasing you eat it instead?
They can have sharpish claws, but they don’t bite too hard. Geese are much more threatening, and even adult humans would do well to fear strikes from a swan’s wings.
Gamaran Sepudomyn
See, this is exactly why properly feathered dinosaurs are scary. Lizards and crocodiles are usually perfectly willing to leave you alone as long as you don’t pretty much offer yourself to them, but birds are aggressive, paranoid and complete and utter assholes.
Mr. Bulbmin
I know exactly what you mean.
I carry a pocketknife, and not in case I get mugged: it’s so I can stab divebombing birds.
Bicycle Bill
Not to mention what a pissed-off ostrich or emu can and will do to you.
Screwball
And the Cassowary. Comes from North-Eastern Australia as well as Papua New Guinea, 2nd biggest bird, quite vicious & potentially fatal.
I’m goddamn thirty years old, WHY do I still dream that I’m in high school and late for a test I didn’t study for?
Never dream I’m late and unprepared for work, even though that’s something that might have actual consequences. It’s never college either, too laid back. Something about the hell that is high school becomes a permanent part of our neuroses.
I also still have those dreams in my thirties. Also, dreams when something is stopping me from getting my homework done, or there’s a class I’ve been forgetting to attend all semester, or I can’t find my schedule and don’t know what class I have, or I have my schedule, but it’s written in some obscure code I can’t crack, or the class is located in some part of the building I’ve never been to, and don’t know where it is. Or maybe I realize I was supposed to be in school hours ago, or I was walking to school, and accidentally wandered into some completely unfamiliar streets, and can’t find my way to school, or anything familiar. I could go on. Anxiety dreams are fun!
Discussion (161) - “Got this”
Ana Chronistic
yeah, Joyce, pretty sure Sal’s bike is stock
also, pants are for SUCKAHS
Inkblot
Didn’t expect that this would come back to bite Walky– but then again, this is DoA. Who am I kidding?
user 18
Do pajama jeans count as pants?
inqntrol
I guess so,since you can use them as pants and pajama.
Disloyal Subject
a) Are they worn loosely over the legs and pelvic region?
b) Do they cover the legs individually to or nearly to the ankles?
If yes to both, they are likely pants.
Pajama jeans ain’t jeans, but they’re pants.
Bicycle Bill
Sal’s bike is a crotch-rocket….. not that Joyce would even have a passing familiarity with that term.
Rabid Rabbit
Oh, so that’s why she wants to take it for a ride so badly (hurr hurr hurr). That way when she gets off (before she actually has to get off, if you know what I mean) it’s not because she was doing anything sinful, it was just a fortunate side effect.
Screwball
Like sitting on a washing machine? Gotta make sure no one runs off with her clothes…
detective boomwolf
Wait, that’s actually a thing people do?
Amazistool
Screwball refers to this Sarah and Joyce pinup.
And it sure looks as if Joyce gets off!
otusasio451
Walky, from one person-who-thought-they-were-too-smart-to-do-actual-studying to another, take my advice:
GET. HELP. Tutoring, I mean.
inqntrol
That might take a while.
Packy
Eh, I think all he needs to do is pay attention in class and study. That’ll still be worlds more than he’s doing now…
Time Sage
As someone who coasted though school until collage then failed out, it’s hard to do that if you don’t have study skills. Walky is like me, he never picked them up and doesn’t know HOW to study. He’s never needed to.
Just Karen
I was the same way, though I failed out earlier (HS) for a number of reasons. I’m now learning study skills at 35 while I prepare to take a professional exam (the SE).
vlademir1
Pretty much. It doesn’t help that most US school systems are rather poor at teaching study skills and often don’t start until it’s much too late. It’s actually bad enough that some colleges have been introducing a course to teach them as a required course for incoming freshmen first term course load.
Kas
I wish my college had that… I also coasted through school until I hit college. I paid attention in class and wrote down anything I was told to and did well. That same approach did diddly-squat in college, especially when there were no notes to copy down, just lectures to listen to… A class on writing papers would have helped, too. Apparently the way I learned in high school was not the way either college I attended wanted it done.
jpic89
Never studied or took notes a day in my life, HS or college. Graduated college Cum Laude with a 3.6 GPA. Sometimes it’s not a matter of study skills, sometimes it really is either a) the person or b) the previous school was just really lax.
Inyo
“Study skills”… Yeah. I was just like walky too. Didn’t drop out but had a 1.7 Gpa my first semester? Pulled out of it through a mix of buckling down and changing my major. Was not easy.
The thing about study skills is its true I didn’t know how to study but also techniques others use don’t work for me. I don’t learn well by repetition and my eyes just glaze over if I keep reading the same notes. I had to figure out my own methods which have a lot of drawing and colors. If that sounds weird it probably is.
My biggest motivation for failing out wasn’t a girlfriend (didn’t have one then) but the total fear of having to go back to the awful town I grew up in. That was the fire under my butt n
qman
It’s the same for me, and I actually can’t take notes. I can either pay attention, or take notes, not both – learning/memorizing information and writing things down are mutually exclusive brain functions. While I know that I’m atypical in my ability to learn by listening alone, I wonder how many people have this problem and aren’t able to learn because they’re too busy trying to take notes.
Dragon_Nataku
This is why a lot of people use a recording device or their phone to record the lecture while they are taking notes so they can go back and listen to the recorded lecture later
Cerberus
Probably a fair amount. And it’s pretty hard to raise your hand and ask for clarification on something in your notes in those giant auditorium college classes.
Disloyal Subject
My public education, on the other hand, pushed study skills to the exclusion of actual knowledge. Which might not have been so bad if they hadn’t insisted that everyone study the same way; I hate Cornell-format notes with a furious intensity.
Warfoki
I didn’t know what that system is, so I looked it up now and man, it’s unnecessarily overcomplicated. I just take notes by organising things as I go into main points and subpoints and to be able to keep up, I use a crapton of abbreviations. I prefer to take notes in the old fashioned way, as in with pen and paper, since it’s easier to add in things, link things together and draw figures. And it also allows me to doodle, if I’m bored. 😛 Of course after a busy lecture, my notes are messy, so after classes I sit down in front of my laptop and type the entire thing in, clear it up and format it nicely. Doing this makes me memorise which subpoints belongs under which main points, so I have a good grasp on the structure of the material. And that’s all I need. Once I have the basic structure and the most important keywords down, I can formulate my own answers. All I do before exams is reading through my notes a few times and I’m good to go. Writing questions, summaries and overthinking stuff would be a colossal waste of my time. But then again, each to their own.
Disloyal Subject
Sounds like we operate similarly, then – I take notes on binder paper & transcribe it into a notebook for neatness and memorization. I have a hard enough time repeating something I already did without the temptations of the internet 2 clicks away.
Cerberus
Yeah, as a teacher, I have a special type of disdain for programs that teach one “method” of doing things that they try and make everyone do by rote instead of teaching how to find the mix that works for them. Math classes are usually the worst for this these days as a lot of the formalized standards emphasize teaching methods over concepts even if those methods are not working for or making sense for the students.
Jump
I still remember being docked points for not “showing my work” in subtraction problems in elementary school. I’m not 100% sure, obviously, but I think I wasn’t even using that “borrow the one” method in my head to begin with — I certainly don’t use it in mental arithmetic as an adult.
ischemgeek
I have a back-asswards way of thinking about math, so “Show your work” stuff is hard for me.
Ben
preach!
fogel
Ain’t our education “system” wonnerful?
Disloyal Subject
It’s got me awestruck, at least.
qman
I never had to study, from grade school to bachelor’s degree. I picked up what they put down on the first try the vast majority of the time, and even when I didn’t, they always presented it two or three times anyway, so I never really had to go out of my way to learn in school. I’m not trying to be a braggart, just pointing out that his initial assumptions weren’t entirely implausible, it worked just fine for me.
Jump
Some subjects work fine with that, but there *are* memorization-heavy subjects — or sometimes more accurately, memorization-heavy testing formats — that need some kind of review, regardless of whether it’s a traditional kind of study method or something entirely unique and individual. Mathematical, grammatical, and scientific principles — fine! Principles are fine and dandy! But the specifics of Attic Greek declensions, conjugations, and vocabulary? Eh… probably want to go over the paradigms and exceptions before you sit down with that translation exam.
Cerberus
That’s not being a braggart, you’re just an auditory learner. Which is great for absorbing lecture style lessons as becomes more common in college.
Nerd Patrol
Or, if Walky plays MMOs and does any regular raiding, a lot of the skills needed to complete current-tier raids reliably are basically study skills as applied to video games.
I’m 100% serious there. It was indeed my approach to developing college study skills. “I know how I learned to beat the hell out of the Lich King in WoW, so I know how I can learn to pass this class.”
Gamaran Sepudomyn
What a fortunate combination of Gravatar and comment.
Xakthul
Yes, I’m slowly picking up good habits from FFXIV…
Seerow
I’m not sure “Fail 500 times before succeeding” is an option in real life.
…but I assume you actually mean doing the same thing over and over until you have mastered it to start the next phase where you continue doing the first phase each time while mastering the second phase, and onward until you have the whole thing on farm.
Nerd Patrol
Basically that, yes. Read up on what you need to know/do, and keep practicing over and over until you can accomplish your goal without even actively trying.
Cerberus
Actually it is. It’s pretty much the central theme of research science in fact. So anything R&D related or research science is all about failing and failing and failing and learning from each subsequent failure to gain more information.
Actually, a lot of things in life are about failing and trying again, getting better each time. Relationships, career paths, writing, game design…
Which makes it so bass-awkwards that one of the major places where failure is punished the most harshly is in education even though learning often involves a lot of experimentation and potential for failure.
Honestly, we would do better as a society to associate less value judgments for failure and to encourage failure as a good thing in society. I mean, failure usually comes from trying new things and that’s a key component for growth and development. Failure is a good thing, which is why personally I grade homework assignments for effort not quality, as it pinpoints what needs to be gone over again and which concepts for students are particularly sticking*.
*This is especially true for math and why Walky is probably floundering right now. Most math builds on previous concepts, so the first concept that doesn’t make intuitive sense, often creates a waterfall effect where you start failing on everything afterwards. Sadly, the lesson people often learn from this isn’t to pinpoint that one concept that isn’t clicking, but rather that they are just “bad at math”. This is especially true if the person is a woman as we have so much cultural baggage surrounding women and math. It’s a lot harder to get someone to reengage and learn they are good at something when they’ve convinced themselves they are “terrible at it”.
detective boomwolf
So… kinda like Dark Souls? Failing a few times before you remember that one trap that one shots you everytime and remembering to side step it so the monsters chasing you eat it instead?
Mada
Huh. I see Walky’s gotten his hair under control this time around.
Inkblot
fweep
Spencer
Joyce, you’re supposed to call it her “hog”!
Ana Chronistic
Doesn’t look like a Harley… more like a Honda?
Cholma
Crotch rocket?
inqntrol
(Must not make terrible pun):CROCKET! ,,dodges bullets”
Jump
A crocket, as everyone knows, is a rocket dealing critical damage.
Barbarians. /sniff
inqntrol
Being naked in public wasn’t my worst nightmare.The worst was when i got jumped by a duck…..WTF brain?!
brionl
I don’t have naked nightmares either. It’s more like “Yeah! I’m NEKKID!!!”
The anxiety dreams I have are of being late for something and getting later.
Bicycle Bill
According to the late Lewis Grizzard, NAKED means you ain’t got no clothes on.
NEKKID means you ain’t got no clothes on … and you’re up to somethin’.
Screwball
You learn something every day…
…Or night in this case…
Cephalo the Pod
In my naked dreams, no one even notices I’m naked.
Resident SnipeFish
Same. I’m usually wearing the old clichéd barrel or something, and no one notices.
MM
Ducks are scary. Fowl in general are, but ducks get up to some really nasty stuff.
Disloyal Subject
They can have sharpish claws, but they don’t bite too hard. Geese are much more threatening, and even adult humans would do well to fear strikes from a swan’s wings.
Gamaran Sepudomyn
See, this is exactly why properly feathered dinosaurs are scary. Lizards and crocodiles are usually perfectly willing to leave you alone as long as you don’t pretty much offer yourself to them, but birds are aggressive, paranoid and complete and utter assholes.
Mr. Bulbmin
I know exactly what you mean.
I carry a pocketknife, and not in case I get mugged: it’s so I can stab divebombing birds.
Bicycle Bill
Not to mention what a pissed-off ostrich or emu can and will do to you.
Screwball
And the Cassowary. Comes from North-Eastern Australia as well as Papua New Guinea, 2nd biggest bird, quite vicious & potentially fatal.
Damn Australia has some lovely creatures. Still, I love the place…
kelticat
Heck, even blackbirds are a menace. Getting dive-bombed while walking around is annoying at the very least.
Screwball
It’s magpies Down Under. Black & white dinosaurs swoop down if you’re not careful…
JessWitt
Aww, Mike wants to help.
Catullus
And to think we all thought he was mean!
Clif
Mike is always helpful for some value of helpful. But this is for SCIENCE.
Deanatay
How can Mike ‘help’ Walky the most?
…
My GOD.
What if Mike volunteers to TUTOR Walky?
Doctor_Who
I’m goddamn thirty years old, WHY do I still dream that I’m in high school and late for a test I didn’t study for?
Never dream I’m late and unprepared for work, even though that’s something that might have actual consequences. It’s never college either, too laid back. Something about the hell that is high school becomes a permanent part of our neuroses.
Inkblot
I hear from folks in my family all the time that those dreams never go away no matter how old you get. shudders
Edupoet81
I also still have those dreams in my thirties. Also, dreams when something is stopping me from getting my homework done, or there’s a class I’ve been forgetting to attend all semester, or I can’t find my schedule and don’t know what class I have, or I have my schedule, but it’s written in some obscure code I can’t crack, or the class is located in some part of the building I’ve never been to, and don’t know where it is. Or maybe I realize I was supposed to be in school hours ago, or I was walking to school, and accidentally wandered into some completely unfamiliar streets, and can’t find my way to school, or anything familiar. I could go on. Anxiety dreams are fun!
Edupoet81
Oh, and my Mom’s in her sixties. She says she *still* has anxiety dreams about high school. Apparently, they don’t end!
Still, there are worse dreams to be had. Dreams of being chased, of teeth falling out, of body hair falling out, etc, etc, etc.
You think the subconscious in Inside Out is scary? Mine is worse.
No Name
Yeah, well, Riley hadn’t hit puberty yet. Or high school. Give it time.