Well if they are arrested they will be detained until bail is posted depending on the mood of J and J’s parents they may or may not spend a night or two in jail while proving it is her house.
Of coarse they would have to get rather mouthy/aggressive to get arrested in the first place.
OwenSohmer
They broke into the house, police aren’t tasked to determine if there was a crime or not, that’s the judge; cops detain and pass onto suspects and considering it’d be up to toedad to decide if they are charged with something there’s no chance they’ll go to jail if they get caught, they would definitely end there
JetstreamGW
Police do investigate crimes, however, and pass information on the DA who determines whether they’re going to indict.
The fact that it’s easily verified that Becky is/was a lawful resident of the house means the DA isn’t going to bother a Grand Jury with this. S’not worth it.
OwenSohmer
I actually wonder about the residency, since Becky left home rather than being kicked out, in which case toedad would need to evict her to be able to press charges and it’s not like this isn’t easily verified by a phone call to Joyce family or the neighbors.
There’s also the fact that if this was her home she’d be able to walk in pick her stuff and leave.
That does not change the fact that you’re absolutely right about the DA, no fucking way this goes to court, because it’d be an state sponsored petty act of revenge by an asshole to his victim, regardless spending the night in jail is totally on the table
Needfuldoer
She was presumably living there until she moved into the dorm at Anderson a couple months ago.
As far as I know that doesn’t really count as a change of residential address? (At least in my state it doesn’t, college students have to go home or mail in an absentee ballot to vote.)
Joe Helfrich
Local governments will try very very hard to convince you otherwise, but you can register to vote using your dorm address if you like. It is your legal residence.
ischemgeek
There is a difference between legal residence and permanent residence in some jurisdictions – in Canada, frex, your college dorm is your legal residence but not your permanent residence (permanent residence is still where your folks live) because you live in the dorm for less than 6mo out of the year.
If where Becky is has the same law, she’d still be entitled to enter the house as a legal permanent resident of it who has not been evicted.
justsayingxxx
ischemgeek – Where do you got to college that requires you to be in your dorm for less than six months of the year! :O Both universities I’ve been to were Sept – May/June so I was in the dorm WELL over 6mos.
Tomas
Factor in that Joyce is going to start loudly confessing to every crime ever if the cops show up.
Freemage
*Cop knocks on door.* “Excuse me, we had a report of a possi–”
*Joyce hurls herself forward, falling to her knees, arms outstretched waiting for the cuffs.* “I admit it! I did it! I AM the Ding-dong Bandit! Leave my brother [sic] and friend alone, it was all me!”
*Officer blinks, crickets chirp.*
begbert2
“So YOU’RE the ones who’ve been breaking into convenience stores and stealing all the hostess cakes! (And that’s terrible.) Book ’em, Danno!”
thejeff
Police determine if there is a crime or not all the time. They don’t make an arrest and leave it up to the judge/prosecutor everytime something is reported or they see something suspicious.
Breaking into your own residence is not a crime. If the cops spot me (or a neighbor reports me) breaking a window to get in because I’ve locked myself out, it’s not a guaranteed trip to jail to wait for a judge. I try to convince the cops it’s okay and if I can, they let me go. In my case it would be easy – I’ve got ID showing I live here. In Becky’s case it would be harder and complicated by the local cops likely being prejudiced against lesbians and sympathetic to Toedad. OTOH, if they know enough about her to be prejudiced, they also know it’s her house and she’s legally entitled to get her stuff.
Lacking a key doesn’t mean it’s not her residence and that’s why she can’t just walk in, get her stuff and leave.
JQuire
So charges don’t work like that. But many people don’t know how it does work! So here’s a rough and dirty outline which I’m really only sure applies in the United States and probably has some important variations by jurisdiction , so keep that in mind and anyone else could and should jump in if they know otherwise. Also TINLA (obviously), just a description of the process.
Cops can effect an arrest if: 1) they have a properly obtained warrant, 2) without a warrant for misdemeanors committed in the officer’s presence or 3) without a warrant for a felony which they have probable cause to believe has been committed by the person being arrested. There’s all sorts of 4th amendment stuff about stops and searches and developing probable cause, but them’s the basics. That’s Constitutional Law, so pretty universal to the US. The cops generally do have discretion to say, that isn’t a crime/there isn’t probably cause to believe that’s a crime. The alleged victim’s desire to press charges or not is probably taken into account at this and the next stage – they may also be able to file for issuance of charges directly to the Commissioner or Prosecutor.
Prosecutors: If an arrest is effected, an application for charges is submitted to the States’s Attorney/District Attorney/Prosecutor’s Office/Whatever They’re Called Near You. They assess the information from the officer and determine whether or not to bring charges and which charges to bring. This may also be handled by a commissioner or similarly placed official who might issue charges which are then reviewed by the Prosecutor’s office. It is possible for the Prosecutor’s Office to dismiss charges after they’ve been issued or amend the charges brought.
After charges are brought and you get notice and other procedural stuff you go to trial and a judge or jury decides whether or not a crime was committed by the accused.
thejeff
All of which does add up to the cops being allowed to haul this trio in or not, based pretty much on their own discretion. B&E is a felony, so probable cause exists. Or they could accept that it’s Becky’s house and let them walk.
Some of that is more theoretical than real though. It’s very easy for a cop to haul someone into jail on something trumped up and let them sit there over night, even if no charges are ever filed or are dismissed in the morning. You can sue for false arrest, but it’s very hard to win unless it’s really egregious.
JQuire
Oh yeah. I don’t know if I’d call it ‘more theoretical than real’ so much as not going to be addressed until long after the arrest has actually happened (like having evidence excluded at trial for 4th amendment violations).
The point isn’t really that the police couldn’t hold her, it was pointing out where discretion lay and how the charging process works in response to OwenSohmer’s comment.
Freemage
Case in point: The Harvard college professor who was spotted by a neighbor ‘breaking into’ his own home. By the time the cops arrived, he’d settled in and mixed himself a drink. When the cop started questioning him aggressively, he responded angrily, assuming this was an instance of racial profiling. The cop, not liking his tone, asked him to step outside because “the acoustics of the kitchen were making it hard for him to hear clearly.” The prof did so, and once he raised his voice while standing on the front porch, the officer arrested him for disturbing the peace. Unofficial term for this sort of charge is “Contempt of Cop”.
Rusty
If you are drunk and a cop asks you to step outside, it’s a really good idea to not do that. Varies by state and such, but often they do that to also hit ya with drunk in public now.
Source: A step-dad of mine called a cop a Horse’s Ass. Cop asked him to step outside, slapped him with a couple nights in jail for drunk in public.
I once called the police about getting into my own place when locked out. Why the police? We had no management emergency number and locksmiths (all 15 I called) apparently don’t do Sunday’s. Anyways, their response? “Break in if you can. It’s not illegal if it’s your residence.”
Though… It’s not HER residence, so it might be tricky.
Unless she’s been legally emancipated and/or evicted, though, it IS her residence. You don’t stop residing in a place just because you stepped outside. The fact that she was kicked out of college and that Toedad took her home once (and tried to a second time) means she’s definitely not legally excised from the home, yet.
drs
> legally emancipated
Becky is 18. Not a minor. A full-fledged, legal adult.
I have no idea how the law handles child residency rights in the case of a family, but she’s not a minor.
Freemage
Good catch. However, I still think that unless she’s been formally evicted, the actual B&E is not chargeable. (I noted above that cops are quite adept at finding something else to charge you with if they really want to, though.)
A neighbor that doesn’t like you reporting you as a ‘suspicious person’ breaking into your own home could be enough cause for cops.
Going to jail may seem like the worst outcome, but there’s also just getting beat on while handcuffed in your own house, then charged with resisting arrest and nothing else once they figure out that it is your house. And good luck trying to fight that charge, which you better do cause it’s a felony in some places.
Look up “homophone” and “homonym” and appreciate the pun.
JustCheetoDust
Seeing those words (I already know what they mean) made me remember one of the lamest jokes by a standup comedian I’ve ever heard, so unfortunately I’m going to have to bail on this while I make desperate attempts to purge that memory.
Shipping is shipping, but personally, I feel a bit gross at the idea of making a gay character who was dragged off to reparative therapy being made straight for the sake of a ship.
Ana Chronistic
what about a FRIENDship
StClair
Those exist?
:p
Lan
Surprisingly yes. My best friend and I have one based originally on having met on a forum and it’s grown by laughing like two idiots at cartoons and movies. I can kinda see Becky and Walky getting along like my best friend and I do. Two similar people just sitting back watching tv and having fun playing the Nintendo every so often when the weather’s crap.
StClair
Hm.
Okay, I see the problem. You’re not fictional and/or played by actors that people want to imagine banging.
SgtWadeyWilson
Counterpoint for StClair: What if we just want to imagine them hanging… out. Hanging out together in the platonic friendship sort of way.
Yeah, started out trying for the rhyme, then I realized what was wrong with that sentence.
fandom has taught/told me there’s no such thing.
any two characters will have sex, no matter how unlikely, OOC, or non-canon.
Boomer Gonzales
So does that mean there is still hope for a Slipshine exclusive with Amber and Ethan sandwiching Danny between them with Danny both pitcher and catcher simultaneously?
It can be a dream for Ethan I don’t care. He can wake up from such a steamy hallucination and say something like “No more Nachitos before bed”.
StClair
This is the internet, so if it didn’t exist before you describing it, it does now.
490 thoughts on “Cash bucks”
Ana Chronistic
How much hair is she growing to need to get THAT many cut??
also, Joyce, you’d be going to prison over $200 AND the granola bar–you did say GRAND larceny (σﾟ∀ﾟ)σ
CandidCanid
(σﾟ∀ﾟ)σ
Opus the Poet
I dunno her sidecut is getting a little shaggy.
Doctor_Who
It’s only Grand Larceny if the find a 100 Grand Bar.
Schpoonman
Go sit in a corner and think on what you just did.
Kelson Hillstead
Is no one going to mention how beautifully the pic goes with this comment?
TheNinthShade
I would, but I’m busy being sick, the flu sucks.
TheEighthShade
Damnit, wrong account.
Shaunock
*Perfect* gravatar for that.
Orion Fury
Ignore them, I’d of made the joke too.
Willoughby Chase
I laughed. And I’d do it again I tell you!
Falling Star
Heeheeheeheehee.
Nik
GRAND-ola larceny, surely.
Bagfaceman
I guess that’d make it a grandola bar…
I’ll see myself out
Rocketboy1313
None of you will go to jail. It is not a crime to break into your own house.
SmilingNid
Well if they are arrested they will be detained until bail is posted depending on the mood of J and J’s parents they may or may not spend a night or two in jail while proving it is her house.
SmilingNid
Of coarse they would have to get rather mouthy/aggressive to get arrested in the first place.
OwenSohmer
They broke into the house, police aren’t tasked to determine if there was a crime or not, that’s the judge; cops detain and pass onto suspects and considering it’d be up to toedad to decide if they are charged with something there’s no chance they’ll go to jail if they get caught, they would definitely end there
JetstreamGW
Police do investigate crimes, however, and pass information on the DA who determines whether they’re going to indict.
The fact that it’s easily verified that Becky is/was a lawful resident of the house means the DA isn’t going to bother a Grand Jury with this. S’not worth it.
OwenSohmer
I actually wonder about the residency, since Becky left home rather than being kicked out, in which case toedad would need to evict her to be able to press charges and it’s not like this isn’t easily verified by a phone call to Joyce family or the neighbors.
There’s also the fact that if this was her home she’d be able to walk in pick her stuff and leave.
That does not change the fact that you’re absolutely right about the DA, no fucking way this goes to court, because it’d be an state sponsored petty act of revenge by an asshole to his victim, regardless spending the night in jail is totally on the table
Needfuldoer
She was presumably living there until she moved into the dorm at Anderson a couple months ago.
As far as I know that doesn’t really count as a change of residential address? (At least in my state it doesn’t, college students have to go home or mail in an absentee ballot to vote.)
Joe Helfrich
Local governments will try very very hard to convince you otherwise, but you can register to vote using your dorm address if you like. It is your legal residence.
ischemgeek
There is a difference between legal residence and permanent residence in some jurisdictions – in Canada, frex, your college dorm is your legal residence but not your permanent residence (permanent residence is still where your folks live) because you live in the dorm for less than 6mo out of the year.
If where Becky is has the same law, she’d still be entitled to enter the house as a legal permanent resident of it who has not been evicted.
justsayingxxx
ischemgeek – Where do you got to college that requires you to be in your dorm for less than six months of the year! :O Both universities I’ve been to were Sept – May/June so I was in the dorm WELL over 6mos.
Tomas
Factor in that Joyce is going to start loudly confessing to every crime ever if the cops show up.
Freemage
*Cop knocks on door.* “Excuse me, we had a report of a possi–”
*Joyce hurls herself forward, falling to her knees, arms outstretched waiting for the cuffs.* “I admit it! I did it! I AM the Ding-dong Bandit! Leave my brother [sic] and friend alone, it was all me!”
*Officer blinks, crickets chirp.*
begbert2
“So YOU’RE the ones who’ve been breaking into convenience stores and stealing all the hostess cakes! (And that’s terrible.) Book ’em, Danno!”
thejeff
Police determine if there is a crime or not all the time. They don’t make an arrest and leave it up to the judge/prosecutor everytime something is reported or they see something suspicious.
Breaking into your own residence is not a crime. If the cops spot me (or a neighbor reports me) breaking a window to get in because I’ve locked myself out, it’s not a guaranteed trip to jail to wait for a judge. I try to convince the cops it’s okay and if I can, they let me go. In my case it would be easy – I’ve got ID showing I live here. In Becky’s case it would be harder and complicated by the local cops likely being prejudiced against lesbians and sympathetic to Toedad. OTOH, if they know enough about her to be prejudiced, they also know it’s her house and she’s legally entitled to get her stuff.
Lacking a key doesn’t mean it’s not her residence and that’s why she can’t just walk in, get her stuff and leave.
JQuire
So charges don’t work like that. But many people don’t know how it does work! So here’s a rough and dirty outline which I’m really only sure applies in the United States and probably has some important variations by jurisdiction , so keep that in mind and anyone else could and should jump in if they know otherwise. Also TINLA (obviously), just a description of the process.
Cops can effect an arrest if: 1) they have a properly obtained warrant, 2) without a warrant for misdemeanors committed in the officer’s presence or 3) without a warrant for a felony which they have probable cause to believe has been committed by the person being arrested. There’s all sorts of 4th amendment stuff about stops and searches and developing probable cause, but them’s the basics. That’s Constitutional Law, so pretty universal to the US. The cops generally do have discretion to say, that isn’t a crime/there isn’t probably cause to believe that’s a crime. The alleged victim’s desire to press charges or not is probably taken into account at this and the next stage – they may also be able to file for issuance of charges directly to the Commissioner or Prosecutor.
Prosecutors: If an arrest is effected, an application for charges is submitted to the States’s Attorney/District Attorney/Prosecutor’s Office/Whatever They’re Called Near You. They assess the information from the officer and determine whether or not to bring charges and which charges to bring. This may also be handled by a commissioner or similarly placed official who might issue charges which are then reviewed by the Prosecutor’s office. It is possible for the Prosecutor’s Office to dismiss charges after they’ve been issued or amend the charges brought.
After charges are brought and you get notice and other procedural stuff you go to trial and a judge or jury decides whether or not a crime was committed by the accused.
thejeff
All of which does add up to the cops being allowed to haul this trio in or not, based pretty much on their own discretion. B&E is a felony, so probable cause exists. Or they could accept that it’s Becky’s house and let them walk.
Some of that is more theoretical than real though. It’s very easy for a cop to haul someone into jail on something trumped up and let them sit there over night, even if no charges are ever filed or are dismissed in the morning. You can sue for false arrest, but it’s very hard to win unless it’s really egregious.
JQuire
Oh yeah. I don’t know if I’d call it ‘more theoretical than real’ so much as not going to be addressed until long after the arrest has actually happened (like having evidence excluded at trial for 4th amendment violations).
The point isn’t really that the police couldn’t hold her, it was pointing out where discretion lay and how the charging process works in response to OwenSohmer’s comment.
Freemage
Case in point: The Harvard college professor who was spotted by a neighbor ‘breaking into’ his own home. By the time the cops arrived, he’d settled in and mixed himself a drink. When the cop started questioning him aggressively, he responded angrily, assuming this was an instance of racial profiling. The cop, not liking his tone, asked him to step outside because “the acoustics of the kitchen were making it hard for him to hear clearly.” The prof did so, and once he raised his voice while standing on the front porch, the officer arrested him for disturbing the peace. Unofficial term for this sort of charge is “Contempt of Cop”.
Rusty
If you are drunk and a cop asks you to step outside, it’s a really good idea to not do that. Varies by state and such, but often they do that to also hit ya with drunk in public now.
Source: A step-dad of mine called a cop a Horse’s Ass. Cop asked him to step outside, slapped him with a couple nights in jail for drunk in public.
heyman
Own house = no bail, no jail, no nothin’.
Willoughby Chase
Depends how shitty the local cops are.
Fairwinds42
True, they could also be conservative dickbags, aware of Becky, and friends with toedad, and angry they she ‘drove him to do what he did’
Willoughby Chase
Yep, a whole range of responses from “meh, too much paper-work to bother” to “chuck’em in the hoosegow for a couple of days while we work it out.”
Tuen
I once called the police about getting into my own place when locked out. Why the police? We had no management emergency number and locksmiths (all 15 I called) apparently don’t do Sunday’s. Anyways, their response? “Break in if you can. It’s not illegal if it’s your residence.”
Though… It’s not HER residence, so it might be tricky.
Freemage
Unless she’s been legally emancipated and/or evicted, though, it IS her residence. You don’t stop residing in a place just because you stepped outside. The fact that she was kicked out of college and that Toedad took her home once (and tried to a second time) means she’s definitely not legally excised from the home, yet.
drs
> legally emancipated
Becky is 18. Not a minor. A full-fledged, legal adult.
I have no idea how the law handles child residency rights in the case of a family, but she’s not a minor.
Freemage
Good catch. However, I still think that unless she’s been formally evicted, the actual B&E is not chargeable. (I noted above that cops are quite adept at finding something else to charge you with if they really want to, though.)
AgentKeen
If only reality were that fair…
A neighbor that doesn’t like you reporting you as a ‘suspicious person’ breaking into your own home could be enough cause for cops.
Going to jail may seem like the worst outcome, but there’s also just getting beat on while handcuffed in your own house, then charged with resisting arrest and nothing else once they figure out that it is your house. And good luck trying to fight that charge, which you better do cause it’s a felony in some places.
Paella Time
It’s eire how much alike her and Walkie are, i sware if she wasn’t gay i would pair them up.
Wheelpath
NONONONONONONONONONONO
Doctor_Who
Hey, people were legitimately shipping that before she revealed her sexuality.
Ash Ketchup
That was a terrible ship. It was more of a dinghy.
JustCheetoDust
Or a raft.
DSL
Look up “homophone” and “homonym” and appreciate the pun.
JustCheetoDust
Seeing those words (I already know what they mean) made me remember one of the lamest jokes by a standup comedian I’ve ever heard, so unfortunately I’m going to have to bail on this while I make desperate attempts to purge that memory.
Wheelpath
First off, orientation should not decide your noncanon pairs.
Second, I think contrast makes both of them stronger.
Cerberus
Shipping is shipping, but personally, I feel a bit gross at the idea of making a gay character who was dragged off to reparative therapy being made straight for the sake of a ship.
Ana Chronistic
what about a FRIENDship
StClair
Those exist?
:p
Lan
Surprisingly yes. My best friend and I have one based originally on having met on a forum and it’s grown by laughing like two idiots at cartoons and movies. I can kinda see Becky and Walky getting along like my best friend and I do. Two similar people just sitting back watching tv and having fun playing the Nintendo every so often when the weather’s crap.
StClair
Hm.
Okay, I see the problem. You’re not fictional and/or played by actors that people want to imagine banging.
SgtWadeyWilson
Counterpoint for StClair: What if we just want to imagine them hanging… out. Hanging out together in the platonic friendship sort of way.
Yeah, started out trying for the rhyme, then I realized what was wrong with that sentence.
Cholma
“It’s [Ireland] how much alike…”?
Funny, they don’t *look* Irish.
Stephen R. Bierce
Erin Go (Granola) Bar
Amias
I dunno. Ross, Bonnie, and Becky MacIntyre… seems pretty Irish. Walky, on the other hand, no.
a snow ʍousɐ
THE TOE IS IRISH?!!!
JQuire
MACIntyre seems pretty Scottish to me, really.
Willoughby Chase
MacIntyre could be Irish or Scottish.
Roborat
Strangely enough, it is Italian.
Willoughby Chase
I’d love to hear an Italians pronounce MacIntyre.
vysearhone
how about “platonic” shipping.
which would really be better for both parties in the long run.
StClair
fandom has taught/told me there’s no such thing.
any two characters will have sex, no matter how unlikely, OOC, or non-canon.
Boomer Gonzales
So does that mean there is still hope for a Slipshine exclusive with Amber and Ethan sandwiching Danny between them with Danny both pitcher and catcher simultaneously?
It can be a dream for Ethan I don’t care. He can wake up from such a steamy hallucination and say something like “No more Nachitos before bed”.
StClair
This is the internet, so if it didn’t exist before you describing it, it does now.
Ohgodohyes
…go on…
John
Yeah, I just really want to see more of the two of them hangin’ out and driving Joyce nuts.
Mr. Mendo
The peanut butter and chocolate granola bars WERE the best! ^_^
Doctor_Who
I liked chocolate marshmallow the best. It’s like a S’more, but marginally more healthy.
Marginally. Granola bars are basically just candy bars at this point.
JustCheetoDust
It’s kind of like someone pouring a large cup of part diet, part regular
popsodasoft drink. (“part” because it probably isn’t going to be 50/50)JessWitt