…. if this is the sort of thing he’s learning, I vote he go for English.
Agemegos
Burn!
Regalli
But the English department is where all the people who still believe in Freud’s bullshit live! We can still save him if we intervene quickly enough. Get him to Cognitive Psychology, fast.
BBCC
Freudian analysis in English is apparently useful sometimes. Not so much in psych, but English and psychology are not the same thing.
Regalli
I just wish the screenwriters didn’t learn from that and decide they know enough about psychology to write about it, thus continuing an inaccurate image in pop culture.
(I also have Words for comic writers about the subject, but I think those would be best expressed in a Batman fanfic about an institutional review board coming to Gotham and suggesting Arkham be completely dismantled.)
BBCC
Agreed, and I would love to see that fanfic.
Betty Anne
Ha ha…I’ve been wanting to write this fic forever. Seriously, Arkham does more harm than good, and probably half the Joker’s problems can be directly linked to his “treatment” there (not including Harley Quinn). I started one where insufficient resources to properly house all the residents led to Robin having to help Commissioner Gordon arrange supervised release to the community + proper counselor and therapy interventions as appropriate, and…it quickly spiraled out of control, so I didn’t finish it. ^^;
Regalli
I think there would also be a chapter just about them explaining the criminal insanity defense in very small, easily-understood words on the grounds that every judge, lawyer, jury, and testifying psychologist in Gotham seems to critically misunderstand it.
thejeff
Meh. It’s a plot device. They could all be sitting in prison, getting worse and escaping from there instead.
It’s not actually intended as the writer’s best understanding of modern therapy and the legal aspects of criminal insanity pleas.
It’s a Gothic Horror trope meant to evoke even earlier horrific asylums – real and fictional.
Regalli
The issue I have with it is that it’s combined with things like ‘no one in Gotham deciding they’ll kill the Joker or die trying’ to result in this situation where yeah, of course the Joker will plead insanity and of course he’ll go to Arkham and of course he’ll escape and poison the water supply again but what can we do, huh? MANY THINGS. It’s bad writing when someone like Murderclown Joker or Zsasz is accepted as a fact of life because Batman Doesn’t Kill and no one else can deal with them, and them staying alive actively makes Batman a worse character. Batman doesn’t have to kill them! Jason or a desperate victim or SOMEONE should.
The problem with using an outdated depiction of a psychiatric hospital is that there are far fewer stories about modern ones with modern practices than stories that use them for horror factor. Very few people know what they’re actually like, and those of us who do have all the burden of talking about them and a stigma if we do so. This scares away people for whom it can be beneficial because mental illnesses are scary and they’re not That Crazy, it makes a stressful situation even more stressful, and it contributes to the public misinformation and stigma about mental illness treatments.
(I spent six weeks in an outpatient day program after the 2016 election. Could have been admitted as inpatient, but we decided I wasn’t going to hurt myself in the night and inpatient means you can’t have anything that needs charging, which would have aggravated things further. Not an experience I would care to repeat, and there were hiccups, but it was overall a pleasant experience and one I definitely NEEDED at the time. I’ve been through transcranial magnetic stimulation – sitting in a chair while magnets pulse my brain to wake it up – twice in the past year after changing medications made me need a tuneup. Highly recommend if you can talk insurance into it. Electroconvulsive therapy is, by all accounts, about That Unpleasant – hence why I picked TMS over it – but even then, sometimes it is the best option. And all of that is still very hard to write, even semi-anonymously in a supportive environment, because it can be really hard to disclose that you are in fact That Mentally Ill.)
thejeff
It’s in fact exactly like why no one has killed the Joker. Because the Joker is a cool villain and they want to keep using him. (Of course the Joker has died many times over the years, usually by self-induced accident, but he always comes back anyway.)
Personally I’m fond of the theory that Batman’s genre savvy enough to know that the Joker will always come back and he’s more likely to get a warning if he breaks out of Arkham than if he’s thought dead.
Lailah
Bluntly, ‘the insanity plea gets people off for transparent ways it wouldn’t’ is also a problem for making the insanity plea look like magic words that will get anyone off for anything, which both makes the voting public proclaim they hate it, and juries despise the idea and be less likely to want to give it out.
When I was in group therapy years ago the conversation had turned to the Freudian fundamentals and I had mentioned about the issues with it and the therapist got very defensive…
Sadly there are still professionals that strictly follow Freud for CBD. In the end it didn’t help at all I just felt like I was in stasis for a few years and it was friends and family that had a bigger impact in improving my mental health.
Even discredited theories are occasionally … applicable? You can talk about outliers all you want, but being that outlier doesn’t suck any less for being statistically insignificant.
Case in point, something we learned in psych is that phrenology isn’t technically a pseudo-science since useful scientific knowledge came from it, i.e. phrenologists were the first people to figure out that different parts of the brain did different things. They merely got the cause and effect backwards. (They believed that the shape of the skull affected the development of the brain, but it’s the other way around…)
Kinoko
The coolest thing about science is that it can be revised and adapted.
I wish more people understood that being discredited doesn’t make a theory useless. It’s still scientific process. It’s a stepping stone.
Part of the reason English/Lit majors study Freud so much isn’t because they believe him wholesale, but because he was foundational to how a lot of people, especially the authors they are studying, thought about psychology.
Stay a virgin long enough and you can cure any trauma with your wizard powers.
Tan
You’re thinking of
Tan
Well that was a powerful mess-up of html. The sentence was meant to conclude with the word “Vegan” linked to the following link: http://scottpilgrim.wikia.com/wiki/Veganism
No. It means rather than trying to get over her trauma by releasing violent urges, Walky is now an opportunity to get over her trauma through sexual ones.
She can redirect her energy and possibly make headway where violent urges have met a dead end.
Screwball
Ultimate angry sex?
Mr D
This greatest of hatefucks!
Michelle J. Caboose
Most epic of hatefucks.
ego
damnyouwillis is saving this one for when he needs to put some kids through college.
That comment and the alt text. I’m blatantly copying my comment from patreon because I want to see what these comments make of it.
I mean, yeah, one of Amber’s ways of dealing with things is writing fucked up porn. Sex, trauma and violence are all tied up in there and it’s one more thing I’m sure we can say ‘fuck you Blaine’ for.
Admittedly we’ve only ever seen her slashfic in small, non-explicit bits, but the impression I get is that it’s pretty tame. I would hardly call it “fucked up porn” and it feels pretty icky to just say that it is because it’s mostly about dude-on-dude lovemaking.
Mike and Ethan both commented she writes messed up stuff when she’s upset. I believe guro in particular came up.
Sporky
Ah, yeah, I forgot about that. Sorry.
BBCC
No worries, it’s been a long strip. Stuff slips through the cracks.
cbwroses
Yes, but it’s not the only time she writes.
BBCC
That’s why I said one way of dealing with things is writing fucked up porn, because Mike and Ethan noted she specifically writes fucked up fic when she’s upset.
Mordecai
Hey, if you don’t remember or don’t feel like checking it’s all good, but any chance you know when that was?
I don’t really have anything useful to contribute to the analysis, but I do want to say thanks- I didn’t understand how Amber could process her trauma with sex until you pointed out the fanfic angle. Not sure why that made it click for me, but it did, so thanks!
so thats why she always wrote all that slash fiction. She has very deep seeded urges that she tried to resolve through slash fiction but then walky came along and presto a new outlet is born!!!
221 thoughts on “Urges”
Ana Chronistic
“FUCK SAL” …now you CAN!
Plasma Mongoose
Amber: “Hey Walky, could you put on this wig for me?”
Dean
“Wear this jacket, too.”
Tacos
“And ride this motorcycle.”
Plasma Mongoose
“Now lets lez out!”
1958Fury
“Now rob this convenience store.”
Ana Chronistic
“Don’t forget the gloves”
Zathras10
“But first, and just follow along with me here, we need to put a knife wound in your hand.”
Chris Phoenix
“Why does it say ‘Ruttech’ on the sleeve?”
Heavensrun
Rutten, actually. The jacket says “Rutten”. If it was “Ruttech”, it’d be less awkward to wear around the dorms.
Homer Sexual
You mean that luxurious chocolate river of hair?
(okay, that reference was both easy AND lame)
butts
okay but let’s be real we all wanna
Willinwoods
“Fuck Trauma!” is a phrase with many a potential use.
Doctor_Who
Don’t know what Ethan’s majoring in, but if it’s psychology he should know that Freudianism has mostly been discredited.
Of course it’s entirely possible Amber’s libido doesn’t know that either.
BBCC
He’s undeclared, but last we heard he was considering English or Education.
Reltzik
…. if this is the sort of thing he’s learning, I vote he go for English.
Agemegos
Burn!
Regalli
But the English department is where all the people who still believe in Freud’s bullshit live! We can still save him if we intervene quickly enough. Get him to Cognitive Psychology, fast.
BBCC
Freudian analysis in English is apparently useful sometimes. Not so much in psych, but English and psychology are not the same thing.
Regalli
I just wish the screenwriters didn’t learn from that and decide they know enough about psychology to write about it, thus continuing an inaccurate image in pop culture.
(I also have Words for comic writers about the subject, but I think those would be best expressed in a Batman fanfic about an institutional review board coming to Gotham and suggesting Arkham be completely dismantled.)
BBCC
Agreed, and I would love to see that fanfic.
Betty Anne
Ha ha…I’ve been wanting to write this fic forever. Seriously, Arkham does more harm than good, and probably half the Joker’s problems can be directly linked to his “treatment” there (not including Harley Quinn). I started one where insufficient resources to properly house all the residents led to Robin having to help Commissioner Gordon arrange supervised release to the community + proper counselor and therapy interventions as appropriate, and…it quickly spiraled out of control, so I didn’t finish it. ^^;
Regalli
I think there would also be a chapter just about them explaining the criminal insanity defense in very small, easily-understood words on the grounds that every judge, lawyer, jury, and testifying psychologist in Gotham seems to critically misunderstand it.
thejeff
Meh. It’s a plot device. They could all be sitting in prison, getting worse and escaping from there instead.
It’s not actually intended as the writer’s best understanding of modern therapy and the legal aspects of criminal insanity pleas.
It’s a Gothic Horror trope meant to evoke even earlier horrific asylums – real and fictional.
Regalli
The issue I have with it is that it’s combined with things like ‘no one in Gotham deciding they’ll kill the Joker or die trying’ to result in this situation where yeah, of course the Joker will plead insanity and of course he’ll go to Arkham and of course he’ll escape and poison the water supply again but what can we do, huh? MANY THINGS. It’s bad writing when someone like Murderclown Joker or Zsasz is accepted as a fact of life because Batman Doesn’t Kill and no one else can deal with them, and them staying alive actively makes Batman a worse character. Batman doesn’t have to kill them! Jason or a desperate victim or SOMEONE should.
The problem with using an outdated depiction of a psychiatric hospital is that there are far fewer stories about modern ones with modern practices than stories that use them for horror factor. Very few people know what they’re actually like, and those of us who do have all the burden of talking about them and a stigma if we do so. This scares away people for whom it can be beneficial because mental illnesses are scary and they’re not That Crazy, it makes a stressful situation even more stressful, and it contributes to the public misinformation and stigma about mental illness treatments.
(I spent six weeks in an outpatient day program after the 2016 election. Could have been admitted as inpatient, but we decided I wasn’t going to hurt myself in the night and inpatient means you can’t have anything that needs charging, which would have aggravated things further. Not an experience I would care to repeat, and there were hiccups, but it was overall a pleasant experience and one I definitely NEEDED at the time. I’ve been through transcranial magnetic stimulation – sitting in a chair while magnets pulse my brain to wake it up – twice in the past year after changing medications made me need a tuneup. Highly recommend if you can talk insurance into it. Electroconvulsive therapy is, by all accounts, about That Unpleasant – hence why I picked TMS over it – but even then, sometimes it is the best option. And all of that is still very hard to write, even semi-anonymously in a supportive environment, because it can be really hard to disclose that you are in fact That Mentally Ill.)
thejeff
It’s in fact exactly like why no one has killed the Joker. Because the Joker is a cool villain and they want to keep using him. (Of course the Joker has died many times over the years, usually by self-induced accident, but he always comes back anyway.)
Personally I’m fond of the theory that Batman’s genre savvy enough to know that the Joker will always come back and he’s more likely to get a warning if he breaks out of Arkham than if he’s thought dead.
Lailah
Bluntly, ‘the insanity plea gets people off for transparent ways it wouldn’t’ is also a problem for making the insanity plea look like magic words that will get anyone off for anything, which both makes the voting public proclaim they hate it, and juries despise the idea and be less likely to want to give it out.
Siddif
When I was in group therapy years ago the conversation had turned to the Freudian fundamentals and I had mentioned about the issues with it and the therapist got very defensive…
Sadly there are still professionals that strictly follow Freud for CBD. In the end it didn’t help at all I just felt like I was in stasis for a few years and it was friends and family that had a bigger impact in improving my mental health.
DSL
Even discredited theories are occasionally … applicable? You can talk about outliers all you want, but being that outlier doesn’t suck any less for being statistically insignificant.
Mr. Mendo
Case in point, something we learned in psych is that phrenology isn’t technically a pseudo-science since useful scientific knowledge came from it, i.e. phrenologists were the first people to figure out that different parts of the brain did different things. They merely got the cause and effect backwards. (They believed that the shape of the skull affected the development of the brain, but it’s the other way around…)
Kinoko
The coolest thing about science is that it can be revised and adapted.
I wish more people understood that being discredited doesn’t make a theory useless. It’s still scientific process. It’s a stepping stone.
Part of the reason English/Lit majors study Freud so much isn’t because they believe him wholesale, but because he was foundational to how a lot of people, especially the authors they are studying, thought about psychology.
Sigh.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
I approve of resolving trauma via fucking.
Skater Girl
I’ve been doing it for 20 years. I highly recommend.
Inahc
I’m sorta doing the opposite. It also seems to be helpful?
Plasma Mongoose
Stay a virgin long enough and you can cure any trauma with your wizard powers.
Tan
You’re thinking of
Tan
Well that was a powerful mess-up of html. The sentence was meant to conclude with the word “Vegan” linked to the following link: http://scottpilgrim.wikia.com/wiki/Veganism
bhtooefr
Plasma Mongoose was making an entirely different reference
3oranges
Opposite as in abstinence or opposite as in creating trauma?
DSL
Resolving fucking by trauma? Seems counterproductive.
Batman
#traumafucking
Yumi
It’s not going well for me, but maybe I’m just not trying hard enough.
Alanari
I don’t really think it works though. As in “actually getting better instead of just somehow managing”.
MatthewTheLucky
But you do end up having lots of sex. Which can be nice.
ego
getting your cortex to sit down and shut up is pretty underrated as to difficulty *and* utility.
Mr D
Aaand Ethan hit the nail with the hammer.
Pass Go, collect 200 dollars.
Mr D
…Also does thius mean that Amber has been wanting to fuck Sal for half a decade?
adjudicus
I think he could be talking about the fanfic she writes
cbwroses
No. It means rather than trying to get over her trauma by releasing violent urges, Walky is now an opportunity to get over her trauma through sexual ones.
She can redirect her energy and possibly make headway where violent urges have met a dead end.
Screwball
Ultimate angry sex?
Mr D
This greatest of hatefucks!
Michelle J. Caboose
Most epic of hatefucks.
ego
damnyouwillis is saving this one for when he needs to put some kids through college.
NerdHerder
And on that day, Amber sat down to write Amazi-Girl fanfic.
Oruncrest
And that night, Amazi-girl set out to make it come true…
newllend(henryvolt)
That is absolutely mental, and yet most of us are sort into it. Kind of crazy right?
BBCC
That comment and the alt text. I’m blatantly copying my comment from patreon because I want to see what these comments make of it.
I mean, yeah, one of Amber’s ways of dealing with things is writing fucked up porn. Sex, trauma and violence are all tied up in there and it’s one more thing I’m sure we can say ‘fuck you Blaine’ for.
Sporky
Admittedly we’ve only ever seen her slashfic in small, non-explicit bits, but the impression I get is that it’s pretty tame. I would hardly call it “fucked up porn” and it feels pretty icky to just say that it is because it’s mostly about dude-on-dude lovemaking.
BBCC
Mike and Ethan both commented she writes messed up stuff when she’s upset. I believe guro in particular came up.
Sporky
Ah, yeah, I forgot about that. Sorry.
BBCC
No worries, it’s been a long strip. Stuff slips through the cracks.
cbwroses
Yes, but it’s not the only time she writes.
BBCC
That’s why I said one way of dealing with things is writing fucked up porn, because Mike and Ethan noted she specifically writes fucked up fic when she’s upset.
Mordecai
Hey, if you don’t remember or don’t feel like checking it’s all good, but any chance you know when that was?
Emily
I know I’m not the person you were asking but:
Emily
Ugh I messed up the link: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2016/comic/book-6/04-it-all-returns/busy/
Inahc
Yay link! 🙂
ShinyNeen
I don’t really have anything useful to contribute to the analysis, but I do want to say thanks- I didn’t understand how Amber could process her trauma with sex until you pointed out the fanfic angle. Not sure why that made it click for me, but it did, so thanks!
BBCC
Glad I could help!
Mada
Woo, fuck trauma!
Fogel
;-D
mister gray
so thats why she always wrote all that slash fiction. She has very deep seeded urges that she tried to resolve through slash fiction but then walky came along and presto a new outlet is born!!!