I needed mine in third grade, and finally got them in fourth. I kept getting low grades and punished for no reason because they thought I was just goofing off, turns out I just couldn’t read the friggin’ board anymore.
I could still read the books fine, but my undoing was one teacher who wrote math problems on the board for us to copy down and solve. My math was correct, but I transcribed the problems wrong. Of course a parent-teacher conference ensued, and both my parents wearing glasses wasn’t a clue for the teacher because “KiDs DoN’t GeT nEaRsIgHtEd”… At least mom and dad put two and two together and brought me to an optometrist after that, and GUESS WHAT THEY FOUND.
Kryss LaBryn
I got mine in I think first grade when I couldn’t see the board anymore from even the first row.
But when I was in school (in Canada, in the Seventies, this was), they used to every few grades up to I think about grade 6 or 7 have us all line up by class, cover one eye, and read an eye chart (as well as doing a hearing assessment), especially to find and help kids with those issues. Do they not do this anymore?
Needfuldoer
We did the hearing assessment (high pitched quiet beeps in rock-hard headphones), no vision test. I don’t know if that’s a universal American thing, or if my school district just didn’t care in the 90s.
Of course my parents tested me a bunch ANYWAY bc they were SURE I had problems paying attention… maybe, but I also didn’t care (as in, I couldn’t find motivation to achieve in school as much as not fail (if even that))
Librain
We did something similar to this at my school in Australia.
Pizzasgood
I don’t remember exactly how frequently they did it, but my late-90s American elementary school did both hearing and vision tests at least every couple years. So it was a thing for some schools, at least, but American schools vary drastically from region to region so I have no idea how common it was.
StClair
Got mine around the same time – mid 70s, third or fourth grade.
NotPiffany
“Kids don’t get nearsighted?!” Had that teacher never had a student with glasses before? Did they somehow go through both primary and secondary school without meeting a student who needed glasses? Did they get their teaching credentials out of a Cracker Jack box?
I got my first glasses in third grade because I, too, had issues reading the board. And then teachers would contact my parents whenever they noticed that I was having trouble with the board again, which happened two-three times a year until my ophthalmologist put me in bifocals when I was 11.
TV may not destroy your eyes, but being a bookworm can.
Needfuldoer
I guess my school system was staffed by bitter near-retirees who were stuck in the 60s. “Obviously his problems with inattention and low grades are because he’s a troublemaking slacker, not due to undiagnosed mental disorder and the fact that he can’t read the board” types.
The first optometrist I ever went to suggested giving me bifocals from the beginning, so I’ve always had them. I guess that was supposed to exercise the focusing muscles? Apparently worked; my little sister needed glasses around the same age as I did, but she only ever got single lenses. Now her vision’s worse than mine.
I remember squinting at the board in my heat transfer class when the professor suggested I see an optometrist. I did. Everything was clearer after that (I finally broke down and admitted I needed glasses, but I still got a “D” in his class and had to repeat it next semester :-).
I’ve been wearing glasses since I was 12 years old, to the point that I have a really hard time picturing myself without them. They are as much a part of my self-image as my nose, mouth, or ears.
Walkyverse Joyce had more brothers and her mother problems amounted to being pressured to go down a family way to embarrassing degrees. Sarah was a a belated enemy rather than a friend, and she had a crush on a much less ‘codependent doofus’ and much more enabler Danny for the longest time.
No alien bio-engineering, Her parents the most morbid breed of ‘fundie’ rather than mere ‘whitebread’ Protestants, and Danny was a acquaintance at most. Nearsightedness may be another feature of the rebooted version of one of Willis’s rightfully beloved characters…
Sure. But none of those are differences rooted in genetics, and David’s maintained that any character’s sexuality in one universe was the same as in another.
What’s really surprising is that Joyce should be someone with eye problems when she’s one of the minority of characters with defined sclerae. But I guess there’s Jocelyn too.
So I have worn glasses for almost 20 years now and have ansolutely horrible eyesight without them so I wouldn’t know, but would sitting at the back of a first year lecture hall while a professor writes on a board at the very front mean for sure you need glasses? Can even people who dont glasses see that well from that far back? I would assume it would be hard ti read for anyone, no?
Thin chalk lines are hard to force your eyes to focus on. You might be able to manage day-to-day off shapes and context clues, but words written on a blackboard will just halo out to unintelligible noise.
I used to think it was just hard to read from the back and that my school’s light projectors were blurry. Then I found out in 8th grade I needed glasses…
Also, I’m pretty sure I recognize this classroom. I could see from the back fine (with my glasses)
If you have good eyesight, no, you should be able to see clearly if the writing is reasonably sized and shouldn’t have any difficulty seeing it. Humans with good eyesight can see pretty far pretty clearly as long as what is being looked at is sized well.
The lecture hall sizes from what we have seen are honestly not big enough for me to expect there to be an issue where the writing is too small.
Joyce is shortsighted. The glasses she needs would make her eyes look smaller, not bigger.
JessWitt
Darn you’re right. I’m nearsighted as well and have weird Joyce-like eyes too, except brown. Definitely look smaller when I wear glasses, which is always
This was grade 10 for me. The worst part was that it took another 3-4 years from that point before I finally got glasses, because I just assumed the problem was something else, rather than my eyes. Old projector, small writing on the chalkboard, etc. I finally said something to my parents, and we went to the optometrist, and I was prescribed glasses and got a pair the same day!
The fact that it’s only a single unit makes me think this is actually separable differential equations, and maybe a few other basic ones.
clif
Maybe so. What throws me is that this is unit 7 on the first day. Which leads me to believe this is a two semester course. If this is a into calculus course for non-math majors, the first semester should be differential calculus and the second integral calculus. If it’s an intro calculus course for math majors, they should be talking about point set theory. No way is differential equations of any type suitable for an intro course.
Maybe the prof just hasn’t erased the board from the previous class yet.
Raen
Separable differential equations are on the AP, so they’re definitely suitable for an intro course, although you’re right it’s weird that they should be on the first day of the second semester.
Raen
That is, either they should be in the first semester, or later in the second one, depending on the pace.
Demoted Oblivious
The board just says “Differential Equations” so, while it might be refering to seperable DE’s the term does technically cover the common introductory f(x)=dy/dx as well. For furst year calc, doing intro to differentials in semester one, and into to integrals in semester two is pretty common. Basic DE’s seem to be easier to grasp and provide a good foundation for understanding how things go in the other direction. Also, understanding and recognizing the solutions to DE’s is pretty fundamental to integration.
Wait is it normal for people to have to take all these advanced math classes for most degrees? Joyce is an education/early child development major, right? Do we know what Sal is studying?
If this is standard for most degrees, I am realizing I really dodged a bullet by going to art school. I suck at math and my “math requirement” was somehow fulfilled with a course on Human Evolution because we briefly used equations to talk about some genetics stuff. XD
Though I also had to take Advanced Perspective, which may have counted, and is the most headache-inducing class in art school.
Raen
I mean, it’s just calculus. Most of the students who are going on to STEM degrees already took it in high school; the ones who didn’t, this is a fill. Besides, how are you going to read War and Peace without calculus?
Miri
Was going to say, I think I was 16 when I made 1 = 3 (and cried)… But that was UK AS Level maths. (My teacher hugged me when I got a C at the end. My dad is a now retired engineer and his take was that with the time you have in the exams, you really needed to know exactly how to answer the questions and use all of the time to do so, rather than working things out from first principles at all; it was a tough course. I hadn’t been used to having to work but unlike Walky I didn’t throw a tantrum at the idea.)
Miri
Might have had a meltdown and forgotten how to breathe the night before the exam (literally did not know how to breathe in again and my chest was starting to hurt and it was getting a bit scary) but didn’t sulk about it…
Autogatos
My high school math education stopped at pre-calc. And I struggled a lot with it.
I am great at English, art, biology…but not math. I always struggled in math.
Leorale
Good God, no. As a dyscalculic Religions major, I fulfilled the quantitative proficiency requirement with musical acoustics, Greek statue proportions, and a sweet class on dinosaurs. They make ways for deeply non-mathy BAs among us to white-knuckle through a number once in awhile, they don’t make us all attempt calculus.
Leorale
(Note: It’s not “just” calculus for some of us. I had an undiagnosed learning disability in math. See you in ancient text exegesis.)
In another universe, Joyce really liked math (and had a comically large calculator to prove it). It was a nice trait for her: a non-cliche for a bubbly girlygirl to be skillful at math, plus it’s logical for Joyce to enjoy following the rules. I bet Willis is keeping her mathy aptitude in this universe, too.
LauraS
I had an undiagnosed math disability too, and actually found calculus easier than other maths. More understanding concepts, less memorizing formulas. Trig was a nightmare. I guess it takes all types.
And the worst thing about trig was … for some reason, who knows what, I never got the whole “unit circle” thing even presented to me. It just wasn’t there. So it was just all “everything is inexplicable until you manage to internalise a zillion ratios into a rough approximation of what you could’ve got in one bloody illustration until I was revising old pre-uni maths for the GRE, when I went back to grad school, and stumbled across it myself. You know. A decade later.
I was so mad.
Autogatos
See this is why I suck at math. The abstract thinking approach to it just…does not work for me. It sounds like gibberish. I can’t do math in my head, I can’t spell in my head, and I have a hard time memorizing rules and equations without proper context.
My algebra 2 teacher did a fantastic job showing us clearly on the board how each equation came to be and that really helped me understand it better. The one and only math class I’ve ever not hated and did pretty okay in (though it still took me longer to finish tests and stuff because I really had to plot out everything on paper carefully to comprehend it).
BBCC
Math’s her favourite subject here too iirc.
Autogatos
Yeah I am fairly certain I have this too. Back as a kid/teen I was just “bad at math” but my algebra 2 class (the one time I ever enjoyed math/was good at it) made it clear that if I was taught in a way that heavily relied upon visual education, and given extra time, I actually did just fine.
Autogatos
My math difficulties also seemed to extend to the more math-y sciences. I had a hard time in physics and chem, but LOVED (and did very well in) biology, oceanography, and environmental science (those last 2 I took as electives senior year instead of taking another physics or chemistry class, thank goodness).
Well checking my old uni transcripts, I can see that Partial Differential Equations and Complex Variable was one of the modules in my second year. My degree was in Pure Maths. xD
(I passed it with 63%)
It looks like they’re in a typical two-semester calculus sequence for engineering/science majors. (Although that doesn’t really make sense given their majors.) First semester covers limits and derivatives, but should end with anti-derivatives, the fundamental theorem of calculus, and maybe some basic u-substitution. Second semester starts with either integration techniques or areas/volumes or a mix of the two. Basic separable differential equations are usually a short chapter after that, but there’s no reason it couldn’t be done at the beginning if u-substitution was covered in the first semester.
BBCC
There’s a two semester sequence most students take to fill their gen eds at IU, at least according to most of their course maps.
thejeff
I believe Joyce has been stated to like and be good at math, so she probably was just interested. Walky’s invested in being smart and Linda wouldn’t let him get away with taking the easy version.
Autogatos
That makes sense that she’d take it if she enjoys it, even if not required for her major. I forgot she likes math. Walky I assume needs it for his major. Sal…I can’t remember what her major is, but she seems to not enjoy math and struggle with it so I imagine it must be required for her major (or she wanted to challenge herself or felt pressured to take it)?
199 thoughts on “Integral”
Ana Chronistic
looks like dissonance for Joyce WONK WONK
(personally I was gunning for glasses well before that age, my face looks so weird w/o them)
Durandal_1707
This guy puts the “ass” in “assonance.”
sdrainbow
Because he used a wordplay? And you’re complaining about that to Ana?!
clif
I mean, I was going to say.
DSL
Naw, it’s because the prof is the type who is just barely resisting laughing at his own jokes.
K^2
No, because he used the word “assonance” in a math class.
ValdVin
Wait until they get to discreet discrete logic.
Geneseepaws
I’m waiting for indiscreet discrete login. How many times does Y going X? Indeed.
Sunny
Same here, I think I was 10 or so when I got my glasses.
Needfuldoer
I needed mine in third grade, and finally got them in fourth. I kept getting low grades and punished for no reason because they thought I was just goofing off, turns out I just couldn’t read the friggin’ board anymore.
Needfuldoer
I could still read the books fine, but my undoing was one teacher who wrote math problems on the board for us to copy down and solve. My math was correct, but I transcribed the problems wrong. Of course a parent-teacher conference ensued, and both my parents wearing glasses wasn’t a clue for the teacher because “KiDs DoN’t GeT nEaRsIgHtEd”… At least mom and dad put two and two together and brought me to an optometrist after that, and GUESS WHAT THEY FOUND.
Kryss LaBryn
I got mine in I think first grade when I couldn’t see the board anymore from even the first row.
But when I was in school (in Canada, in the Seventies, this was), they used to every few grades up to I think about grade 6 or 7 have us all line up by class, cover one eye, and read an eye chart (as well as doing a hearing assessment), especially to find and help kids with those issues. Do they not do this anymore?
Needfuldoer
We did the hearing assessment (high pitched quiet beeps in rock-hard headphones), no vision test. I don’t know if that’s a universal American thing, or if my school district just didn’t care in the 90s.
Ana Chronistic
Mine did the hearing test, no vision test
Of course my parents tested me a bunch ANYWAY bc they were SURE I had problems paying attention… maybe, but I also didn’t care (as in, I couldn’t find motivation to achieve in school as much as not fail (if even that))
Librain
We did something similar to this at my school in Australia.
Pizzasgood
I don’t remember exactly how frequently they did it, but my late-90s American elementary school did both hearing and vision tests at least every couple years. So it was a thing for some schools, at least, but American schools vary drastically from region to region so I have no idea how common it was.
StClair
Got mine around the same time – mid 70s, third or fourth grade.
NotPiffany
“Kids don’t get nearsighted?!” Had that teacher never had a student with glasses before? Did they somehow go through both primary and secondary school without meeting a student who needed glasses? Did they get their teaching credentials out of a Cracker Jack box?
I got my first glasses in third grade because I, too, had issues reading the board. And then teachers would contact my parents whenever they noticed that I was having trouble with the board again, which happened two-three times a year until my ophthalmologist put me in bifocals when I was 11.
TV may not destroy your eyes, but being a bookworm can.
Needfuldoer
I guess my school system was staffed by bitter near-retirees who were stuck in the 60s. “Obviously his problems with inattention and low grades are because he’s a troublemaking slacker, not due to undiagnosed mental disorder and the fact that he can’t read the board” types.
The first optometrist I ever went to suggested giving me bifocals from the beginning, so I’ve always had them. I guess that was supposed to exercise the focusing muscles? Apparently worked; my little sister needed glasses around the same age as I did, but she only ever got single lenses. Now her vision’s worse than mine.
Van Jealous
I remember squinting at the board in my heat transfer class when the professor suggested I see an optometrist. I did. Everything was clearer after that (I finally broke down and admitted I needed glasses, but I still got a “D” in his class and had to repeat it next semester :-).
Mr D
I’ve been wearing glasses since I was 12 years old, to the point that I have a really hard time picturing myself without them. They are as much a part of my self-image as my nose, mouth, or ears.
Olivia Cheatham
Welcome to the ‘you need glasses’ club, Joyce!
T Campbell
Does this mean Walkyverse Joyce wears contacts?
Daniel FG
Could be an abductee thing that healed her eyesight
DudeMyDadOwnsaDealership
Walkyverse Joyce had more brothers and her mother problems amounted to being pressured to go down a family way to embarrassing degrees. Sarah was a a belated enemy rather than a friend, and she had a crush on a much less ‘codependent doofus’ and much more enabler Danny for the longest time.
No alien bio-engineering, Her parents the most morbid breed of ‘fundie’ rather than mere ‘whitebread’ Protestants, and Danny was a acquaintance at most. Nearsightedness may be another feature of the rebooted version of one of Willis’s rightfully beloved characters…
T Campbell
Sure. But none of those are differences rooted in genetics, and David’s maintained that any character’s sexuality in one universe was the same as in another.
What’s really surprising is that Joyce should be someone with eye problems when she’s one of the minority of characters with defined sclerae. But I guess there’s Jocelyn too.
Shanunu
So I have worn glasses for almost 20 years now and have ansolutely horrible eyesight without them so I wouldn’t know, but would sitting at the back of a first year lecture hall while a professor writes on a board at the very front mean for sure you need glasses? Can even people who dont glasses see that well from that far back? I would assume it would be hard ti read for anyone, no?
Skelig
If the professor is new and doesn’t write in large font to accommodate, sure. But otherwise nah I can pretty reliably read from the back
Needfuldoer
Thin chalk lines are hard to force your eyes to focus on. You might be able to manage day-to-day off shapes and context clues, but words written on a blackboard will just halo out to unintelligible noise.
KJ
I used to think it was just hard to read from the back and that my school’s light projectors were blurry. Then I found out in 8th grade I needed glasses…
Also, I’m pretty sure I recognize this classroom. I could see from the back fine (with my glasses)
Sam
If you have good eyesight, no, you should be able to see clearly if the writing is reasonably sized and shouldn’t have any difficulty seeing it. Humans with good eyesight can see pretty far pretty clearly as long as what is being looked at is sized well.
The lecture hall sizes from what we have seen are honestly not big enough for me to expect there to be an issue where the writing is too small.
Ed Rhodes
I joined that club in Jr. High!
Spookyfox
uh oh someone needs GLASSES
Golden Yak
It’s a Joyce Needs Glasses storyline everybody!
Doctor_Who
I was gonna say that Joyce would look super weird with magnified eyes, but I guess Jocelyn wears glasses and they have the same eyes.
nobilis
Joyce is shortsighted. The glasses she needs would make her eyes look smaller, not bigger.
JessWitt
Darn you’re right. I’m nearsighted as well and have weird Joyce-like eyes too, except brown. Definitely look smaller when I wear glasses, which is always
butts
this part of Joyce is autobiographical too, i’m guessing
Rainhat
I’d bet $5 on “Joyce gracefully acknowledges this change and moves quickly to address the issue.”
(If I had $5 I didn’t care about losing.)
Jamie
I mean, who’s gonna pay for them?
NotPiffany
Her dad, presumably.
Keulen
I definitely want to see what Joyce looks like wearing glasses.
Chris
This brings back memories of seventh grade.
Sibre
Same here. I remember the chalkboards getting progressively harder to see. It really sucked.
Alan Lafond
This was grade 10 for me. The worst part was that it took another 3-4 years from that point before I finally got glasses, because I just assumed the problem was something else, rather than my eyes. Old projector, small writing on the chalkboard, etc. I finally said something to my parents, and we went to the optometrist, and I was prescribed glasses and got a pair the same day!
AntJ
Either Joyce gets glasses, abandons her friends, or *gasp* fails math.
Math was also the class where I realized I needed glasses, but luckily it was advanced algebra and not differential equations.
Lumino
Wait, why the hell are they taking Diff Eq second semester? There’s like 3 more calculus courses before you get to that.
Raen
The fact that it’s only a single unit makes me think this is actually separable differential equations, and maybe a few other basic ones.
clif
Maybe so. What throws me is that this is unit 7 on the first day. Which leads me to believe this is a two semester course. If this is a into calculus course for non-math majors, the first semester should be differential calculus and the second integral calculus. If it’s an intro calculus course for math majors, they should be talking about point set theory. No way is differential equations of any type suitable for an intro course.
Maybe the prof just hasn’t erased the board from the previous class yet.
Raen
Separable differential equations are on the AP, so they’re definitely suitable for an intro course, although you’re right it’s weird that they should be on the first day of the second semester.
Raen
That is, either they should be in the first semester, or later in the second one, depending on the pace.
Demoted Oblivious
The board just says “Differential Equations” so, while it might be refering to seperable DE’s the term does technically cover the common introductory f(x)=dy/dx as well. For furst year calc, doing intro to differentials in semester one, and into to integrals in semester two is pretty common. Basic DE’s seem to be easier to grasp and provide a good foundation for understanding how things go in the other direction. Also, understanding and recognizing the solutions to DE’s is pretty fundamental to integration.
autogatos
Wait is it normal for people to have to take all these advanced math classes for most degrees? Joyce is an education/early child development major, right? Do we know what Sal is studying?
If this is standard for most degrees, I am realizing I really dodged a bullet by going to art school. I suck at math and my “math requirement” was somehow fulfilled with a course on Human Evolution because we briefly used equations to talk about some genetics stuff. XD
Though I also had to take Advanced Perspective, which may have counted, and is the most headache-inducing class in art school.
Raen
I mean, it’s just calculus. Most of the students who are going on to STEM degrees already took it in high school; the ones who didn’t, this is a fill. Besides, how are you going to read War and Peace without calculus?
Miri
Was going to say, I think I was 16 when I made 1 = 3 (and cried)… But that was UK AS Level maths. (My teacher hugged me when I got a C at the end. My dad is a now retired engineer and his take was that with the time you have in the exams, you really needed to know exactly how to answer the questions and use all of the time to do so, rather than working things out from first principles at all; it was a tough course. I hadn’t been used to having to work but unlike Walky I didn’t throw a tantrum at the idea.)
Miri
Might have had a meltdown and forgotten how to breathe the night before the exam (literally did not know how to breathe in again and my chest was starting to hurt and it was getting a bit scary) but didn’t sulk about it…
Autogatos
My high school math education stopped at pre-calc. And I struggled a lot with it.
I am great at English, art, biology…but not math. I always struggled in math.
Leorale
Good God, no. As a dyscalculic Religions major, I fulfilled the quantitative proficiency requirement with musical acoustics, Greek statue proportions, and a sweet class on dinosaurs. They make ways for deeply non-mathy BAs among us to white-knuckle through a number once in awhile, they don’t make us all attempt calculus.
Leorale
(Note: It’s not “just” calculus for some of us. I had an undiagnosed learning disability in math. See you in ancient text exegesis.)
In another universe, Joyce really liked math (and had a comically large calculator to prove it). It was a nice trait for her: a non-cliche for a bubbly girlygirl to be skillful at math, plus it’s logical for Joyce to enjoy following the rules. I bet Willis is keeping her mathy aptitude in this universe, too.
LauraS
I had an undiagnosed math disability too, and actually found calculus easier than other maths. More understanding concepts, less memorizing formulas. Trig was a nightmare. I guess it takes all types.
Dara
Yeah, calculus is easy maths often taught in ways that make it appear difficult. Very annoying.
(Abstract algebra was my favourite, though. By far.)
Dara
And the worst thing about trig was … for some reason, who knows what, I never got the whole “unit circle” thing even presented to me. It just wasn’t there. So it was just all “everything is inexplicable until you manage to internalise a zillion ratios into a rough approximation of what you could’ve got in one bloody illustration until I was revising old pre-uni maths for the GRE, when I went back to grad school, and stumbled across it myself. You know. A decade later.
I was so mad.
Autogatos
See this is why I suck at math. The abstract thinking approach to it just…does not work for me. It sounds like gibberish. I can’t do math in my head, I can’t spell in my head, and I have a hard time memorizing rules and equations without proper context.
My algebra 2 teacher did a fantastic job showing us clearly on the board how each equation came to be and that really helped me understand it better. The one and only math class I’ve ever not hated and did pretty okay in (though it still took me longer to finish tests and stuff because I really had to plot out everything on paper carefully to comprehend it).
BBCC
Math’s her favourite subject here too iirc.
Autogatos
Yeah I am fairly certain I have this too. Back as a kid/teen I was just “bad at math” but my algebra 2 class (the one time I ever enjoyed math/was good at it) made it clear that if I was taught in a way that heavily relied upon visual education, and given extra time, I actually did just fine.
Autogatos
My math difficulties also seemed to extend to the more math-y sciences. I had a hard time in physics and chem, but LOVED (and did very well in) biology, oceanography, and environmental science (those last 2 I took as electives senior year instead of taking another physics or chemistry class, thank goodness).
Yet_One_More_Idiot
Well checking my old uni transcripts, I can see that Partial Differential Equations and Complex Variable was one of the modules in my second year. My degree was in Pure Maths. xD
(I passed it with 63%)
ValdVin
As a not-young, I am wondering if this is reflecting how many kids today take more AP courses than were available in my HS years.
Also, I don’t remember much about the DofA math course last semester being called anything in particular besides “math”.
aisha
It looks like they’re in a typical two-semester calculus sequence for engineering/science majors. (Although that doesn’t really make sense given their majors.) First semester covers limits and derivatives, but should end with anti-derivatives, the fundamental theorem of calculus, and maybe some basic u-substitution. Second semester starts with either integration techniques or areas/volumes or a mix of the two. Basic separable differential equations are usually a short chapter after that, but there’s no reason it couldn’t be done at the beginning if u-substitution was covered in the first semester.
BBCC
There’s a two semester sequence most students take to fill their gen eds at IU, at least according to most of their course maps.
thejeff
I believe Joyce has been stated to like and be good at math, so she probably was just interested. Walky’s invested in being smart and Linda wouldn’t let him get away with taking the easy version.
Autogatos
That makes sense that she’d take it if she enjoys it, even if not required for her major. I forgot she likes math. Walky I assume needs it for his major. Sal…I can’t remember what her major is, but she seems to not enjoy math and struggle with it so I imagine it must be required for her major (or she wanted to challenge herself or felt pressured to take it)?
Pimellon