As do I. I like a lot of other Japanese food, just not sushi. Possibly cause I just don’t like fish, or most seafood really.
TheHierophant
Then what was your problem with sushi? I hate fish and I eat sushi all the time. Our do you not know sushi I vinegar rice with stuff added.
gwalla
You know a lot of Japanese food doesn’t involve seafood at all… :/
Nym
Many different types of sushi do not require fish! Sushi=/=sashimi. What was featured two comics ago (and I’m assuming Joyce just ate), for instance, was nori (seaweed) wrapped around rice, avocado, and cucumber. My favorite kind is inarizushi, which is tofu fried in sesame oil, made into a pocket for rice and sesame seeds. (Some people include other things in their inarizushi. These people are wrong.) As a vegetarian who lived in Japan, sushi was one of my favorites for going out to eat, because it was guaranteed that there was something there for me.
Lamia
Well, the type of sushi that Dorothy is eating doesn’t have any fish in it at all.
drs
California roll, so probably crab (seafood) or imitation crab (ground up fish).
Don’t worry, I find it much easier to like characters than dislike them. All of them have their dickish moments, and almost all of them (save perhaps Blaine) have redeeming qualities as well.
Doctor_Who
Yeah? Well, I’ll have you know that Blaine volunteers at a homeless shelter and gives extensively to chari-PFFF! HA! Couldn’t keep a straight face.
He eats salted puppies for breakfast, fires a BB gun at children’s balloons at the park, and complains online about there being female Transformers.
Riku
Actually the unfortunate thing about a guy like Blaine is that anybody he interacts with who isn’t Amber or his ex-wife probably think he’s a great guy
jimbotherisenclown
Well, there’s always Ryan or Cubedad. I doubt either of them have any redeeming qualities.
Rycan
Yeah, his funeral in Shortpacked! pretty much reflected that. Makes life so much harder for the abused when people can’t believe that the abuser could possibly be responsible.
I don’t think there’s a man among us who can say he’s never done the first two, but Transformers? I never understood the gender hate. It makes me wonder if people like that can’t see boobs, even robot boobs, without becoming aroused. Scared and confused about their robo-nipple dreams they lash out at the internet, telling the world how if they wanted fembots they’d fuck a vacuum cleaner.
Rycan
You ass! I’ve never eaten salted puppies for breakfast, and never will! Doc says I need to watch my sodium intake.
The Master
I recommend the low fat puppies. They’re also adorable; so it’s a double win! 😀
I would say Joyce is being the dick here. If a friend offers you something new, something you know is safe (it’s not an addictive drug or poison), you suck up your personal squeamishness and try the damned thing. Hey, if she chews it up and tastes it honestly and THEN can say whet she thinks of it. If she says, sorry, I don’t like the taste or texture or whatever, that’s okay. Personally, I don’t care for California rolls. I love many varieties if real sushi (California rolls are made with fake crab, which I dislike). But that big gulp to avoid tasting the roll–definite dick move.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
It’s not really a dickmove so much as just a reflexive reaction to avoid something new – she knows it wouldn’t be bad for her (Dorothy is eating it just fine), and she wants to try something new for the sake of her best friend, but some part of her just…can’t bring herself to do it. Hence one big reflex gulp and it’s swallowed whole. She certainly doesn’t *want* to piss off Dorothy.
Talking of, I’d imagine this would be pretty high on her list of things she’d love to have happen – practically being fed by her girlcrush Dorothy. But then she just went and screwed it up for herself. xD
You have no idea whether or not Joyce has good reasons for her food aversions. I have watched people actually vomit from trying to eat pizza and waffles, just due to their textures/flavors. These are good, popular, normal, totally non-poisonous foods, but I’m not going to tell those people that they’re dicks for not just choking down food. Without knowing more about why Joyce dislikes a lot of foods, it’s completely inappropriate to start calling her names over it.
zee
The type of extreme textural and flavor aversions you speak of are often associated with various Autism Spectrum disorders. Generally linked to an overall inability to process sensory input at neuro-typical rates. Joyce has shown none of these tendencies in the past. Hers seems to be more related to psychological aversions to newness, not sensory aversions.
Now if Dina on the other hand…
(sorry for the nerdiness… its what I do for a living 😉
Regalli
Still, I can see Joyce wanting to gulp it down so she doesn’t, say, not like the taste and end up gagging it out or spitting it in Dorothy’s face. And she could still have an issue with the taste or texture – while I’m autistic and a lot of other sufferers probably are, I do know allistic kids who have had really bad ones. Granted, as noted by the word “kid”, they’re usually a LOT younger (like, five), but if Joyce could always eat enough to survive and/or manage to swallow without registering, her parents don’t strike me as the kind of people who would notice and seek treatment.
That said, I couldn’t do a reflex swallow like that if my life depended on it, so I suspect it’s just a standard fear of new things and subsequent gagging rather than an actual disorder.
Bantha
Ummm. No. No you don’t have to “suck up your squeamishness”. If you don’t want it, you don’t have to try it. What sort of world do you live in where you are required to try anything a friend offers you? 🙂
I thought the sunk cost fallacy was supposed to “justify” further investment in a bad thing, or “overpower” a lower sunk cost in another potentially preferable thing.
What Dorothy’s doing here doesn’t quite fit that, as she hasn’t further invested in sushi nor has she already paid a sunk cost on (for example) pizza that they’re discarding in favor of the sushi.
Um… that’s several dollars, not seven. Better have the telepathic circuits checked.
Sailor_Arashi
Several dollars…for the single piece that Joyce ate, apparently?
A California Roll at the restaurant this one is based on costs $5.09 in any case.
Freemage
This. A typical roll has 6-8 segments (sometimes more, at really good sushi places that can go up to a dozen segments long), so unless we’re talking about a $24+ California roll, Dorothy is seriously overstating her case (I’d consider 4 bucks to be the minimum for breaking out “several” as an adjective).
Hell, a single piece of sashimi–which generally is a lot more meat–usually only runs a couple bucks at the high end.
Several doesn’t always mean seven, usually means 3 or 4 in my experience. That said I can’t imagine why you’d go to a nice sushi place like that and order the california roll :\
Yet_One_More_Idiot
I would usually refer to 3 or 4 as “a few”.
1 – one
2 – a couple
3-6 – a few
7-11 – several
12+ – many
So I’d interpret a statement of several dollars as being at least $7. xD
Heavensrun
I’ve used “several” for five or six as well.
Rein & Raven
I always order california rolls at sushi restaurants, but that’s along with other more authentic things, like sashimi, assorted tempura and miso soup. Mmmmm miso soup. *drools* I need to go find a sushi restaurant now…
Daisy
I’d guess because Joyce has never had sushi so it’s an accessible beginners’ choice as far as sushi goes.
Alternatively, the need to find a foodstuff that doesn’t cost an unreasonable sum of money. Sushi is terrible, not because it tastes bad, but because they charge you like it’s going to start a goddamn three ring circus on your taste buds. I don’t care if it’s Cool to like sushi, unless they give a gold brick as a side dish I am not paying for it.
however in a college town, sushi can sometimes be the most “healthy” option, depressingly enough. That’s how it is where I’m at. Hey kids, do you want pizza, wings, subs, or sushi?
Well, there’s gluten in bread, and a surprisingly high fraction of people I’ve met have a gluten intolerance– two with honest-to-goodness Celiac Disease and one with a milder sensitivity.
Freemage
Even outside gluten issues, bread’s… just about the worst thing in the American diet after the words ‘deep fried’. It fills you up awesomely, but there’s a lot of carbs and comparatively little nutritional value, especially in typical sub bread. You’re better off asking for the wrap or salad, at least (which most sub joints seem to have some form of these days).
I’d suggest finding a sushi place that doesn’t charge like it’s still the only sushi place in a 237 mile radius. I love sushi, but there are plenty of places that don’t charge that much or even better, don’t charge so much per piece! Many places have assortment or theme plates with much better price/count ratios. Around here, even the mid-range grocery stores have started carrying sushi assortments at prices that are actually somewhat reasonable.
(Actually, more to the comic theme, my college campus cafeteria has sushi priced towards most students.)
I know there are pricey sushi places, but last time I bought sushi (from a deli-style counter that makes it fresh all day), six bucks bought enough spicy california roll to feed two (or me). And there’s a nice little sushi place where ten bucks bought 15 pieces of sushi the size shown in the comic. And I live next door to Indiana. Shop around, kids, is what I’m sayin.’
They could perhaps find a place that serves Chinese buffet which includes sushi, like this one located in a college town in Wisconsin. At only $6.50 for lunch-time pricing or $8.75 after 4:00 PM, it’s totes affordable, too.
By the way, if you go to their website and click through to the .pdf file for the menu, you will see that they also have a sushi chef “on sight”. Gotta love the spelling, grammar, and sentence construction of those people for whom English is not their primary language.
Unless, of course, English IS the primary language for their lawyers. Maybe they have a large poster for “Jiro Dreams Of Sushi”, and they keep in it sight of everyone in the kitchen.
“Aw, I wanted to do that.”
-Becky’s internal monologue, probably
tyersome
I’m thinking it could be the sudden realization that Joyce’s life does NOT revolve completely around her coupled with a dose of what the hell am I going to do now …
Kirby
Her “obnoxious”ness is at least partly because she doesn’t -want- to get close to anyone else. Every single one of her other friends turned on her, and Joyce is the last person she’s got. She doesn’t want to get close to someone else and get hurt again.
Nono
So, Becky is proto-Sarah.
Deanatay
Why do you think Sarah doesn’t trust her?
Kathleen
Well, Becky lied to her, for one. (I know that was a hypothetical question but anyway).
388 thoughts on “Chopsticks”
Jen Aside
LESS GULP MORE NOM NOM
Wire Segal
MORE TASTING
DuckDuckMoose
MOAR FLAVERZ
talantus
Ugh… damnit… now i’m craving sushi… well thank god its pay day ^-^
Bantha
Can’t really say I blame her…I find sushi repulsive as well.
Dragon_Nataku
As do I. I like a lot of other Japanese food, just not sushi. Possibly cause I just don’t like fish, or most seafood really.
TheHierophant
Then what was your problem with sushi? I hate fish and I eat sushi all the time. Our do you not know sushi I vinegar rice with stuff added.
gwalla
You know a lot of Japanese food doesn’t involve seafood at all… :/
Nym
Many different types of sushi do not require fish! Sushi=/=sashimi. What was featured two comics ago (and I’m assuming Joyce just ate), for instance, was nori (seaweed) wrapped around rice, avocado, and cucumber. My favorite kind is inarizushi, which is tofu fried in sesame oil, made into a pocket for rice and sesame seeds. (Some people include other things in their inarizushi. These people are wrong.) As a vegetarian who lived in Japan, sushi was one of my favorites for going out to eat, because it was guaranteed that there was something there for me.
Lamia
Well, the type of sushi that Dorothy is eating doesn’t have any fish in it at all.
drs
California roll, so probably crab (seafood) or imitation crab (ground up fish).
Lukas
Dorothy, you lovable dick.
Wire Segal
Dorothy: “Maybe I can teach her, help her learn to eat normally…”
Joyce: “Yay didn’t have to taste this expensive food.”
Dorothy is well within lovable dick ranges of anger here
Lukas
Don’t worry, I find it much easier to like characters than dislike them. All of them have their dickish moments, and almost all of them (save perhaps Blaine) have redeeming qualities as well.
Doctor_Who
Yeah? Well, I’ll have you know that Blaine volunteers at a homeless shelter and gives extensively to chari-PFFF! HA! Couldn’t keep a straight face.
He eats salted puppies for breakfast, fires a BB gun at children’s balloons at the park, and complains online about there being female Transformers.
Riku
Actually the unfortunate thing about a guy like Blaine is that anybody he interacts with who isn’t Amber or his ex-wife probably think he’s a great guy
jimbotherisenclown
Well, there’s always Ryan or Cubedad. I doubt either of them have any redeeming qualities.
Rycan
Yeah, his funeral in Shortpacked! pretty much reflected that. Makes life so much harder for the abused when people can’t believe that the abuser could possibly be responsible.
Furie
I don’t think there’s a man among us who can say he’s never done the first two, but Transformers? I never understood the gender hate. It makes me wonder if people like that can’t see boobs, even robot boobs, without becoming aroused. Scared and confused about their robo-nipple dreams they lash out at the internet, telling the world how if they wanted fembots they’d fuck a vacuum cleaner.
Rycan
You ass! I’ve never eaten salted puppies for breakfast, and never will! Doc says I need to watch my sodium intake.
The Master
I recommend the low fat puppies. They’re also adorable; so it’s a double win! 😀
Chaucer59
I would say Joyce is being the dick here. If a friend offers you something new, something you know is safe (it’s not an addictive drug or poison), you suck up your personal squeamishness and try the damned thing. Hey, if she chews it up and tastes it honestly and THEN can say whet she thinks of it. If she says, sorry, I don’t like the taste or texture or whatever, that’s okay. Personally, I don’t care for California rolls. I love many varieties if real sushi (California rolls are made with fake crab, which I dislike). But that big gulp to avoid tasting the roll–definite dick move.
Yet_One_More_Idiot
It’s not really a dickmove so much as just a reflexive reaction to avoid something new – she knows it wouldn’t be bad for her (Dorothy is eating it just fine), and she wants to try something new for the sake of her best friend, but some part of her just…can’t bring herself to do it. Hence one big reflex gulp and it’s swallowed whole. She certainly doesn’t *want* to piss off Dorothy.
Talking of, I’d imagine this would be pretty high on her list of things she’d love to have happen – practically being fed by her girlcrush Dorothy. But then she just went and screwed it up for herself. xD
Avery
You have no idea whether or not Joyce has good reasons for her food aversions. I have watched people actually vomit from trying to eat pizza and waffles, just due to their textures/flavors. These are good, popular, normal, totally non-poisonous foods, but I’m not going to tell those people that they’re dicks for not just choking down food. Without knowing more about why Joyce dislikes a lot of foods, it’s completely inappropriate to start calling her names over it.
zee
The type of extreme textural and flavor aversions you speak of are often associated with various Autism Spectrum disorders. Generally linked to an overall inability to process sensory input at neuro-typical rates. Joyce has shown none of these tendencies in the past. Hers seems to be more related to psychological aversions to newness, not sensory aversions.
Now if Dina on the other hand…
(sorry for the nerdiness… its what I do for a living 😉
Regalli
Still, I can see Joyce wanting to gulp it down so she doesn’t, say, not like the taste and end up gagging it out or spitting it in Dorothy’s face. And she could still have an issue with the taste or texture – while I’m autistic and a lot of other sufferers probably are, I do know allistic kids who have had really bad ones. Granted, as noted by the word “kid”, they’re usually a LOT younger (like, five), but if Joyce could always eat enough to survive and/or manage to swallow without registering, her parents don’t strike me as the kind of people who would notice and seek treatment.
That said, I couldn’t do a reflex swallow like that if my life depended on it, so I suspect it’s just a standard fear of new things and subsequent gagging rather than an actual disorder.
Bantha
Ummm. No. No you don’t have to “suck up your squeamishness”. If you don’t want it, you don’t have to try it. What sort of world do you live in where you are required to try anything a friend offers you? 🙂
Barf Ninjason
The next Slipshine can be Walky printing out the “Sunk Cost Fallacy” and then spanking Dorothy with it.
Orbit Junkie
Joyce’s Mouth: Now a literal money pit.
Bagge
This is a metaphor for Dorothy’s future in congress.
Gigafreak
I thought the sunk cost fallacy was supposed to “justify” further investment in a bad thing, or “overpower” a lower sunk cost in another potentially preferable thing.
What Dorothy’s doing here doesn’t quite fit that, as she hasn’t further invested in sushi nor has she already paid a sunk cost on (for example) pizza that they’re discarding in favor of the sushi.
AHR
Damn you guys need to find a sushi place that gives a student discount.
Doctor_Who
Yeah, I mean I know sushi can be expensive, but $7 for a California Roll? That’s like the cheapest sushi there is!
Pooga
Um… that’s several dollars, not seven. Better have the telepathic circuits checked.
Sailor_Arashi
Several dollars…for the single piece that Joyce ate, apparently?
A California Roll at the restaurant this one is based on costs $5.09 in any case.
Freemage
This. A typical roll has 6-8 segments (sometimes more, at really good sushi places that can go up to a dozen segments long), so unless we’re talking about a $24+ California roll, Dorothy is seriously overstating her case (I’d consider 4 bucks to be the minimum for breaking out “several” as an adjective).
Hell, a single piece of sashimi–which generally is a lot more meat–usually only runs a couple bucks at the high end.
Riku
Several doesn’t always mean seven, usually means 3 or 4 in my experience. That said I can’t imagine why you’d go to a nice sushi place like that and order the california roll :\
Yet_One_More_Idiot
I would usually refer to 3 or 4 as “a few”.
1 – one
2 – a couple
3-6 – a few
7-11 – several
12+ – many
So I’d interpret a statement of several dollars as being at least $7. xD
Heavensrun
I’ve used “several” for five or six as well.
Rein & Raven
I always order california rolls at sushi restaurants, but that’s along with other more authentic things, like sashimi, assorted tempura and miso soup. Mmmmm miso soup. *drools* I need to go find a sushi restaurant now…
Daisy
I’d guess because Joyce has never had sushi so it’s an accessible beginners’ choice as far as sushi goes.
Doctor_Who
Oops. Misread. Mea culpa.
nothri
So go back in time and fix it, Doc. Jeez.
The Master
He can’t, I took the TARDIS again. 😛
Yet_One_More_Idiot
The Angels were there and they caused a temporal snarl, now time machines can’t go to those coordinates again. xD
gwalla
It’s calcified time now, or something.
meow
where i live its like $9 for a california roll at a regular sushi place… 10-20 for other rolls.
Lethargo
Alternatively, the need to find a foodstuff that doesn’t cost an unreasonable sum of money. Sushi is terrible, not because it tastes bad, but because they charge you like it’s going to start a goddamn three ring circus on your taste buds. I don’t care if it’s Cool to like sushi, unless they give a gold brick as a side dish I am not paying for it.
AHR
however in a college town, sushi can sometimes be the most “healthy” option, depressingly enough. That’s how it is where I’m at. Hey kids, do you want pizza, wings, subs, or sushi?
Avery
Sandwiches (subs) aren’t really unhealthy, unless you’re trying to avoid bread.
Gigafreak
Well, there’s gluten in bread, and a surprisingly high fraction of people I’ve met have a gluten intolerance– two with honest-to-goodness Celiac Disease and one with a milder sensitivity.
Freemage
Even outside gluten issues, bread’s… just about the worst thing in the American diet after the words ‘deep fried’. It fills you up awesomely, but there’s a lot of carbs and comparatively little nutritional value, especially in typical sub bread. You’re better off asking for the wrap or salad, at least (which most sub joints seem to have some form of these days).
Fred
I’d suggest finding a sushi place that doesn’t charge like it’s still the only sushi place in a 237 mile radius. I love sushi, but there are plenty of places that don’t charge that much or even better, don’t charge so much per piece! Many places have assortment or theme plates with much better price/count ratios. Around here, even the mid-range grocery stores have started carrying sushi assortments at prices that are actually somewhat reasonable.
(Actually, more to the comic theme, my college campus cafeteria has sushi priced towards most students.)
DSL
I know there are pricey sushi places, but last time I bought sushi (from a deli-style counter that makes it fresh all day), six bucks bought enough spicy california roll to feed two (or me). And there’s a nice little sushi place where ten bucks bought 15 pieces of sushi the size shown in the comic. And I live next door to Indiana. Shop around, kids, is what I’m sayin.’
Bill
They could perhaps find a place that serves Chinese buffet which includes sushi, like this one located in a college town in Wisconsin. At only $6.50 for lunch-time pricing or $8.75 after 4:00 PM, it’s totes affordable, too.
By the way, if you go to their website and click through to the .pdf file for the menu, you will see that they also have a sushi chef “on sight”. Gotta love the spelling, grammar, and sentence construction of those people for whom English is not their primary language.
Time Sage
There’s a place like that near where I live. I frequent it when I’m short on time but don’t want fast food.
gwalla
Going to a Chinese restaurant for sushi is like going to a French bistro for some tapas.
Fred
Unless, of course, English IS the primary language for their lawyers. Maybe they have a large poster for “Jiro Dreams Of Sushi”, and they keep in it sight of everyone in the kitchen.
Akahane
All you can eat sushi places. Come on!
0kami
Good news: They do exist, and the quality isn’t at all that bad.
Bad news: Better book those plane tickets to Osaka…
drs
Or Vancouver, Canada.
Kris
Joyce you suck at eating.
tyersome
… so is that the explanation for the expression on Becky’s face?
Kris
She’s probably upset with Dorothy’s relationship with Joyce. There so close.
Orbit Junkie
YOU WERE MY BABY BIRD, JOYCE! HOW COULD YOU!
Anonymous
“Aw, I wanted to do that.”
-Becky’s internal monologue, probably
tyersome
I’m thinking it could be the sudden realization that Joyce’s life does NOT revolve completely around her coupled with a dose of what the hell am I going to do now …
Kirby
Her “obnoxious”ness is at least partly because she doesn’t -want- to get close to anyone else. Every single one of her other friends turned on her, and Joyce is the last person she’s got. She doesn’t want to get close to someone else and get hurt again.
Nono
So, Becky is proto-Sarah.
Deanatay
Why do you think Sarah doesn’t trust her?
Kathleen
Well, Becky lied to her, for one. (I know that was a hypothetical question but anyway).
HorchataShake
Damn it Joyce, you can’t dissect this one.
Saru