I watching a show called “Mayday: Air Disasters” and in one of the episodes the NSTB investigators discovered that the plane lost cabin pressure, and that the checklist for troubleshooting that alarm DID NOT have Step 1: PUT ON OXYGEN MASK. It was down somewhere near the bottom of the list, so as the flight crew worked the list, hypoxia set in, their vision got blurry, their thoughts got fuzzy, and they passed out, leading to the everyone on board dying long before the plane crashed. (the masks that fall down from the ceiling in the passenger area are only good for about 10 minutes; they’re only designed to let people breathe long enough for the pilots to get the plane below 10,000 feet.)
Check lists now have PUT ON MASK as Step 1. I’m still shocked that the O2 alarm is just a chime that can easily be confused with something else. There should be an audible “Oxygen” or “Depressuring” soundbite that plays. Also, from watching this show, there should also be an audible “Autopilot OFF” sound. Too many crashes because pilots didn’t know the autopilot had failed or the cabin had depressurized.
Chimes are allways problematic. There is a LOT of things that can cause an accident so you can’t put airhorns on everything. Plus, when things start going bad, there is often not just one chime going off so you can have less relevant suppressing more important ones that would more properly clue the pilots in to what is actually happening.
Of course as many accidents showed, you can put AIRHORNS on some chime and if pilots are in enough stress they will still ignore it as secondary to dealing with the primary problem.
PS. I find that @MentourPilot on YT pretty much blows TV shows about accidents out of the water by being more serious and explaining how from pilot’s PoV something happened, plus focusing on lessons learned rather than the bombast of dissaster.
Cholma
Mayday is pretty good. It’s on… I wanna say… Science Channel? Although I’ve seen repeats on the Weather channel and somewhere else. It’s an hour show that simulates what they believe happened in the cockpit, even if they don’t have a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) to go off of. My example above, the plane flew some time after everyone was dead, so all the CVR had was the sound of the alarms. But they go over mechanical faults or pilot error (such as that caused by what you were talking about, such as being fixated on a smaller problem and unconsciously ignoring the fatal one) And then they usually end with a “lessons learned” and what changes occurred because of the accident.
Yep yep yep. In some of the episodes they’ve mentioned pilots confusing one chime with another or misinterpreting a generic “master caution” light and trying to troubleshoot an issue that’s not related to what caused the alarm. (also, now in the days of Multi-Function Displays and other video screens in the cockpit, there’s no excuse for a generic “master caution” unless a separate screen has a more explicit explanation)
StClair
“Warning. Warp core breach a lot sooner than you think.”
When you run out of “Mayday” episodes i recommend a podcast called “Black Box Down”. No pictures but the talking is pretty in-depth geeky if that’s your thing.
Yeah I’m iffy about people who do that in the same kinda way they also go “everyone’s on the spectrum”. It just ain’t true!!
But for reals Amber and Dorothy defs have displayed autistic tendencies on more than one occasion, (Amber being DID, which often overlaps with other neurodivergences, also Willis himself being more than halfway through an autism diagnosis at this point).
pig
I agree with you. Neurotypical people experience overwhelm and burnout. Neurotypical people enjoy writing and stories and have hobbies that they’re passionate about. None of these things are indicative of autism.
The way Amber went on about her fixation in her last panel, unrelated to what Dorothy said in the penultimate panel, not exactly a neurotypical thing to do, just sayin’ :p
Kelibath
This. I’m almost certain that Amber’s ND in some other way than the DID we’ve seen so far. Joyce is confirmed autistic, which means many of her family might be. Dina and her family are clearly also autistic. Becky and Walky I peg for ADHD. Dorothy and Jennifer are particularly keyed into being what people expect them to be and are both cracking under that strain; I think the comic has already strongly hinted that Jennifer is likely undiagnosed autistic, but Dorothy could ‘simply’ be burning out as an NT. However every single NT character in this work is drawn from an ND lens.
Kelibath
Amber has DID, is cripplingly socially shy, has an extreme fatigue reaction to overwhelming light, sound or social environment, and was demonstrated to have grown to mask better over the years. In a conversation with Dina where they’re comparing similarities regarding struggles to fit in around NT adults.
a/snow/mous/e
I feel like self-diagnosing as ND is very different than finding relatable ND-associated traits in fictional characters
a/snow/mous/e
especially when the people talking about said characters are themselves neurodivergent. there’s no shame in finding joy in similar traits and potential shared experience
Hrodvitnir
Yes! Nothing about this is autism-specific, but relateable content is actually really important for people. Let ND people headcanon shit, it hurts no one.
It’s amusing in a tragic way that she believes she needs to have a perfectly “clean record” in order to become president. Considering the people who have managed to become presidents so far.
Then again, it’s also pretty sad that getting counseling or therapy would be considered as a threat to such a “clean record”…
I’m reminded of John Fetterman’s experience with getting treatment for depression
Kelibath
Sadly, it’s a fair and reasonable perspective when you consider the number of previous FEMALE presidents, especially when you look at the opposition they had.
thejeff
Yeah, but she’s a woman. The rules are different.
Synnerman
If she’s sued, even in civil court, depending on the case, her psychiatric records, even her psychiatrist’s notes, can be subpoenaed for evidence. Unless sealed afterward, any one can pay the fees to have them revealed to the public.
Is it okay though? I feel like the scenario leads to a lot of questionable motives on Bruce’s part considering he adopted Dick at like ten years old. Would this count as grooming even if Dick made the first move? Amber need to put some content warnings on her slash fic.
It varies depending on continuity, though it’s basically always weird to me. It’s just fanfic, granted, if she’s into the weirdness, that’s her jam.
Like, I remember at least one comic where Dick was basically already an adult by the time Bruce presented adoption papers to Dick, though he was certainly Dick’s guardian that whole time and had waited to even suggest adoption out of concern it’d be taken as disrespectful to Dick’s birth parents’ memory for Dick, though he need not have worried.
Uhh, I guess the minimum weirdness scenario is Batman Forever, kinda.
I mean certain things are implicit in the pairing tag itself and the words “canon compliant” (or at least not tagging to indicate it’s an AU where they meet as adults.) No one’s searching the Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson tag and NOT recognizing the inherent *gestures* everything there.
To be clear, that one squicks me out, but it does have decades of history and infamously subtexty panels behind it, for good or ill. And given Amber and AG’s whole thing was in being Batman specifically (AG primarily, but they were working together a lot closer before things really started,) I can see Amber using him as a functional self-insert and thinking Dick’s hot or something to that effect.
I mean I don’t really want to litigate how the characters feel about it or how Amber is meant to be read here or if Willis the writer agrees or disagrees but punchline or no, if you write Batman and Robin doing it you’re messing around with it because you like the idea of murky boundaries and consent. Given who Amber is, that’s exactly in character for her to do, and besides — they’re not real people, who gives a shit if you make them do fucky stuff.
Thag Simmons
I didn’t say it wasn’t in character or an irredeemable thought crime, just that it’s a fucked up dynamic and “they’re not related so it’s technically okay” is a transparently flimsy justification for why it’s not in a way which is clearly the punchline.
DashWallkick
I mean Batman and Robin as a ship is older than Kirk/Spock. Seduction of the Innocent came out in the 50s. It’s really not that messed up. People are just becoming ultra paranoid about anything that could be slightly considered grooming, even in fiction. It’s silly.
IMO I think Amber is just deflecting away from handling Dorothy’s crisis because she’s not equipped to deal with it by talking about her fanfic. Sort of like how pre-emo Ethan would derail uncomfortable issues by talking about Deathazaurus.
Li
Just adding: the part where Batman adopted Robin itself read as queercoding at the time, because adopting your romantic partner was the only way to get any kind of rights. It was the only way your partner could inherit from you or visit you in the hospital. How quickly we forget, honestly.
Also the actor who played Robin in the 60s shipped it.
The idea of Robin being a literal child adopted AS a literal child is pretty new. Most portrayals of the character for a long time were Robin as a young adult and Batman as a slightly older adult, and didn’t specify when they’d met.
Glad to see people are having this argument. I scrolled down to the comments specifically to see it.
Not to participate in it. God no. I’m in the batfam fanfic community so I have seen many, many iterations of this argument and do not want to participate. But I’m glad to see the debate continues.
Oh Dorothy… even if that was somehow possible, you’d be miserable in the end. It isn’t impossible to help people, but you’ll find it easier if you are in a good place first.
As for helping everyone, that just isn’t feasible. There are plenty of people who will be miserable by their own choices, and no amount of help will fix that. Start by helping yourself, then the people directly around you. Take small steps, it helps you not be overburdened, and end up falling.
218 thoughts on “Personal trick”
Ana Chronistic
PROTIP: put on your OWN oxygen mask first
Just an Armadillo
Well I had a comment ready to go but it was basically this but less clever, so…
Decidedly Orthogonal
MASTER TIP: Put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye!
TK
JUSTTHE TIP: Nnnnnightwing
Cholma
I watching a show called “Mayday: Air Disasters” and in one of the episodes the NSTB investigators discovered that the plane lost cabin pressure, and that the checklist for troubleshooting that alarm DID NOT have Step 1: PUT ON OXYGEN MASK. It was down somewhere near the bottom of the list, so as the flight crew worked the list, hypoxia set in, their vision got blurry, their thoughts got fuzzy, and they passed out, leading to the everyone on board dying long before the plane crashed. (the masks that fall down from the ceiling in the passenger area are only good for about 10 minutes; they’re only designed to let people breathe long enough for the pilots to get the plane below 10,000 feet.)
Check lists now have PUT ON MASK as Step 1. I’m still shocked that the O2 alarm is just a chime that can easily be confused with something else. There should be an audible “Oxygen” or “Depressuring” soundbite that plays. Also, from watching this show, there should also be an audible “Autopilot OFF” sound. Too many crashes because pilots didn’t know the autopilot had failed or the cabin had depressurized.
4th Dimension
Chimes are allways problematic. There is a LOT of things that can cause an accident so you can’t put airhorns on everything. Plus, when things start going bad, there is often not just one chime going off so you can have less relevant suppressing more important ones that would more properly clue the pilots in to what is actually happening.
Of course as many accidents showed, you can put AIRHORNS on some chime and if pilots are in enough stress they will still ignore it as secondary to dealing with the primary problem.
PS. I find that @MentourPilot on YT pretty much blows TV shows about accidents out of the water by being more serious and explaining how from pilot’s PoV something happened, plus focusing on lessons learned rather than the bombast of dissaster.
Cholma
Mayday is pretty good. It’s on… I wanna say… Science Channel? Although I’ve seen repeats on the Weather channel and somewhere else. It’s an hour show that simulates what they believe happened in the cockpit, even if they don’t have a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) to go off of. My example above, the plane flew some time after everyone was dead, so all the CVR had was the sound of the alarms. But they go over mechanical faults or pilot error (such as that caused by what you were talking about, such as being fixated on a smaller problem and unconsciously ignoring the fatal one) And then they usually end with a “lessons learned” and what changes occurred because of the accident.
Needfuldoer
They should’ve had Majel Barrett record these lines. Maybe then people would pay attention to them.
*doot doooot* “Warning. Loss of cabin pressure. Oxygen mask deployment in seven seconds.”
Needfuldoer
Of course the entire passenger cabin should go to red alert, complete with lighting and klaxons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbLb–P4MbA
Cholma
Yep yep yep. In some of the episodes they’ve mentioned pilots confusing one chime with another or misinterpreting a generic “master caution” light and trying to troubleshoot an issue that’s not related to what caused the alarm. (also, now in the days of Multi-Function Displays and other video screens in the cockpit, there’s no excuse for a generic “master caution” unless a separate screen has a more explicit explanation)
StClair
“Warning. Warp core breach a lot sooner than you think.”
ValdVin
When you run out of “Mayday” episodes i recommend a podcast called “Black Box Down”. No pictures but the talking is pretty in-depth geeky if that’s your thing.
Bo
put on your own batman mask before you help strap on your homie’s nightwing mask…
clif
Not everyone has a batman mask.
I mean, I have one somewhere, but I would never find it in time.
RoyanRannedos
Amber: Did somebody say strap on?
Nicoleandmaggie
Excellent advice.
Synnerman
Also, don’t listen to Raidah(sp).
NGPZ
This whole strip is an autism mood for reals 😮
True Survivor
If you don’t mind me asking: How so?
NGPZ
Amber displaying hyperfixation in her Batman x Nightwing fic, Dorothy on the verge of autistic meltdown ?
GreyICE
I’m reminded of the people who go “haha I’m so OCD, I have to organize my DVDs alphabetically.”
NGPZ
Yeah I’m iffy about people who do that in the same kinda way they also go “everyone’s on the spectrum”. It just ain’t true!!
But for reals Amber and Dorothy defs have displayed autistic tendencies on more than one occasion, (Amber being DID, which often overlaps with other neurodivergences, also Willis himself being more than halfway through an autism diagnosis at this point).
pig
I agree with you. Neurotypical people experience overwhelm and burnout. Neurotypical people enjoy writing and stories and have hobbies that they’re passionate about. None of these things are indicative of autism.
NGPZ
The way Amber went on about her fixation in her last panel, unrelated to what Dorothy said in the penultimate panel, not exactly a neurotypical thing to do, just sayin’ :p
Kelibath
This. I’m almost certain that Amber’s ND in some other way than the DID we’ve seen so far. Joyce is confirmed autistic, which means many of her family might be. Dina and her family are clearly also autistic. Becky and Walky I peg for ADHD. Dorothy and Jennifer are particularly keyed into being what people expect them to be and are both cracking under that strain; I think the comic has already strongly hinted that Jennifer is likely undiagnosed autistic, but Dorothy could ‘simply’ be burning out as an NT. However every single NT character in this work is drawn from an ND lens.
Kelibath
Amber has DID, is cripplingly socially shy, has an extreme fatigue reaction to overwhelming light, sound or social environment, and was demonstrated to have grown to mask better over the years. In a conversation with Dina where they’re comparing similarities regarding struggles to fit in around NT adults.
a/snow/mous/e
I feel like self-diagnosing as ND is very different than finding relatable ND-associated traits in fictional characters
a/snow/mous/e
especially when the people talking about said characters are themselves neurodivergent. there’s no shame in finding joy in similar traits and potential shared experience
Hrodvitnir
Yes! Nothing about this is autism-specific, but relateable content is actually really important for people. Let ND people headcanon shit, it hurts no one.
Taffy
Settle for a few people, honestly. That’s better than most of us ever manage.
Bin
Would Batman every surrender to that logic? Nay!!!
Angel
usually it’s reserved for besties/spouses/partners but i can see the appeal of community work atl east
quark
ok we know dorothy has seen a counselor before and talked about her feelings, this seems like something they should address
Proxiehunter
We also know she intentionally hid things from her counselor so as to not hurt her presidential bid.
quark
right, forgot about that. dorothyyyyy!!!!!
Butt Sir
It’s amusing in a tragic way that she believes she needs to have a perfectly “clean record” in order to become president. Considering the people who have managed to become presidents so far.
Then again, it’s also pretty sad that getting counseling or therapy would be considered as a threat to such a “clean record”…
vulcanodon
I’m reminded of John Fetterman’s experience with getting treatment for depression
Kelibath
Sadly, it’s a fair and reasonable perspective when you consider the number of previous FEMALE presidents, especially when you look at the opposition they had.
thejeff
Yeah, but she’s a woman. The rules are different.
Synnerman
If she’s sued, even in civil court, depending on the case, her psychiatric records, even her psychiatrist’s notes, can be subpoenaed for evidence. Unless sealed afterward, any one can pay the fees to have them revealed to the public.
Bo
before or after the conversation on Transformers sex?
Angel
after the last counselor she did say something like ‘trauma is grist for the mill’ so prolly a diff counselor
Sirksome
Is it okay though? I feel like the scenario leads to a lot of questionable motives on Bruce’s part considering he adopted Dick at like ten years old. Would this count as grooming even if Dick made the first move? Amber need to put some content warnings on her slash fic.
Kyrik Michalowski
I think in Amber’s story, Nightwing put the moves on Batman. Not the other way around, though it is still a bit questionable.
Yotomoe
I mean Sirksome stated that as the scenario, yes.
DailyBrad
It varies depending on continuity, though it’s basically always weird to me. It’s just fanfic, granted, if she’s into the weirdness, that’s her jam.
Like, I remember at least one comic where Dick was basically already an adult by the time Bruce presented adoption papers to Dick, though he was certainly Dick’s guardian that whole time and had waited to even suggest adoption out of concern it’d be taken as disrespectful to Dick’s birth parents’ memory for Dick, though he need not have worried.
Uhh, I guess the minimum weirdness scenario is Batman Forever, kinda.
Jamie
I’m with Patrick Willems on this one. They should have just gone ahead and had them gay for each other in Batman Forever.
Regalli
I mean certain things are implicit in the pairing tag itself and the words “canon compliant” (or at least not tagging to indicate it’s an AU where they meet as adults.) No one’s searching the Bruce Wayne/Dick Grayson tag and NOT recognizing the inherent *gestures* everything there.
To be clear, that one squicks me out, but it does have decades of history and infamously subtexty panels behind it, for good or ill. And given Amber and AG’s whole thing was in being Batman specifically (AG primarily, but they were working together a lot closer before things really started,) I can see Amber using him as a functional self-insert and thinking Dick’s hot or something to that effect.
Ferret
Dick *does* canonically have the hottest ass in the DC universe.
Bo
Poison Ivy, looking traumatized: “I am never using sex pollen on the Bat and his sidekick ever again mother of SHIT…”
Harley Quinn, sitting in a lounge chair in the corner reading the paper: “Oh yea hun I’ve been on AO3 i could’ve toldja that…”
SpaceDorf
Joker, silently putting on a trench coat and sunglasses. ..
Decidedly Orthogonal
Gonna go out and flash police officers while fully clothed.
Mr D phone posting
“They fucked EVERYONE. Me, each other, the joker, half the rogue’s gallery, the ones who escaped it were already out of town”
“The police are pressing charges, they know who batman is, there is genetic evidence all over town”
DashWallkick
What you are describing — the “is this wrong” from someone with power and authority over another — is literally the appeal of such a story.
Thag Simmons
That it’s a fucked up dynamic and “they aren’t blood relatives” being a flimsy excuse seems like the point of the joke
DashWallkick
I mean I don’t really want to litigate how the characters feel about it or how Amber is meant to be read here or if Willis the writer agrees or disagrees but punchline or no, if you write Batman and Robin doing it you’re messing around with it because you like the idea of murky boundaries and consent. Given who Amber is, that’s exactly in character for her to do, and besides — they’re not real people, who gives a shit if you make them do fucky stuff.
Thag Simmons
I didn’t say it wasn’t in character or an irredeemable thought crime, just that it’s a fucked up dynamic and “they’re not related so it’s technically okay” is a transparently flimsy justification for why it’s not in a way which is clearly the punchline.
DashWallkick
I mean Batman and Robin as a ship is older than Kirk/Spock. Seduction of the Innocent came out in the 50s. It’s really not that messed up. People are just becoming ultra paranoid about anything that could be slightly considered grooming, even in fiction. It’s silly.
IMO I think Amber is just deflecting away from handling Dorothy’s crisis because she’s not equipped to deal with it by talking about her fanfic. Sort of like how pre-emo Ethan would derail uncomfortable issues by talking about Deathazaurus.
Li
Just adding: the part where Batman adopted Robin itself read as queercoding at the time, because adopting your romantic partner was the only way to get any kind of rights. It was the only way your partner could inherit from you or visit you in the hospital. How quickly we forget, honestly.
Also the actor who played Robin in the 60s shipped it.
The idea of Robin being a literal child adopted AS a literal child is pretty new. Most portrayals of the character for a long time were Robin as a young adult and Batman as a slightly older adult, and didn’t specify when they’d met.
FlamestAndLight
I mean the real secret is it’s a story and they’re not real people so she can write whatever the fuck she wants
Lena
Glad to see people are having this argument. I scrolled down to the comments specifically to see it.
Not to participate in it. God no. I’m in the batfam fanfic community so I have seen many, many iterations of this argument and do not want to participate. But I’m glad to see the debate continues.
StClair
“Fandom. Fandom never changes.”
/perlman
Kyoulkoa
I see now that leaving was the right choice
Doctor_Who
Getting advice on dealing with anxiety from Amber is like getting diction lessons from Tommy Wiseau.
PirateTawnee
That seems ok, in the test after the lesson you’re sure to get a high mark.
Taffy
Ahahaha. What a reference, PirateTawnee.
Nathan
Amazing ?
Doctor_Who
You win.
Kelibath
*chef’s kiss*
Kyrik Michalowski
Oh Dorothy… even if that was somehow possible, you’d be miserable in the end. It isn’t impossible to help people, but you’ll find it easier if you are in a good place first.
As for helping everyone, that just isn’t feasible. There are plenty of people who will be miserable by their own choices, and no amount of help will fix that. Start by helping yourself, then the people directly around you. Take small steps, it helps you not be overburdened, and end up falling.
Coatl