Unholy unholy unholy
is the Parasite of Hosts
who comes to drain her cult of glory
them girl now woke an’
broke the pen that tried to write her story
her an’ homies be blushin’ and gushin’
gone from raining to pourin’
with hearts soaring, dino digga ROARIN’
the joy of love takin’ em higher now SOARIN’
tonight they gonna be explorin’
JoyJoe and pals ain’t never borin’
I think he feels like he’s pushed Joyce’s development too quickly, and is worried that she’s secretly uncomfortable with the idea of sex and is just saying this because she thinks it’s what Joe wants.
I remember reading the comments on this strip during my first read-through and being absolutely baffled as to why the comments section was siding with Joe on Danny not feeling comfortable about sleeping with Billie.
And I ask to Joe, what of Dorothy and Joyce doing laundry? And drinking?
Joe don’t gotta worry about “ruining” her. Thanks to Dotty and company helpin Joyce break them chains, she’s pre-“ruined”
XD
Tan
The worry is not about “ruining” Joyce. The worry is that all of this is a performative act that Joyce herself isn’t going to realize until too late, and that by the time she reverses course, if they’ve already done things that can’t be taken back, Joyce is going to FEEL ruined and it’ll implode the relationship.
clif
You mean a performative act as indicated be the last panel?
Victor Riley
I don’t know… the last time we saw him try sexytime with someone (with Liz), that’s exactly what she said, that she almost “ruined” herself… out loud with him right there. And it clearly hurt him. So that’s certainly weighing on him… so HE may not be ready for it again.
Tan
Yes, that is exactly the point. That Joyce is going to have that reversal of course like Liz, particularly if it’s after instead of before.
GholaHalleck
Since Joyce hasn’t in *any* way dealt with her sexual assault trauma… Or … ANY of her trauma… It bodes ill for their maiden voyage sexy times attempt.
There are two wolves in his head, one which thinks this is hot af and the other one which is worried this will lead to a Liz Part II and it’s only a matter of time before Joyce realizes he’d be the worst mistake of her life too.
These two wolves fight ferociously and then a third wolf comes in seriously confused and concerned about why nobody knows what a keg is.
DING DING DING! You’ve nailed it. He’s actually been worried about Not Being Enough for Joyce for a long time – and fearing he’s Dad Rosenthal, The Sequel, for even longer. Being an ethical slut didn’t even work: The Do List is proof.
And he does want it. He wants her so much it’s insane. Like he’s hoping SHE will rail him in a frenzy of passion, no prisoners taken, just so he can absolve himself from the guilt. It’s delicious. Becky and him should exchange pointers.
Bash
For a long time Joe thought his dad’s only sin was cheating. When Mr Rosenthal hits on Sarah at freshman family weekend, the only problem he sees is that his dad was like this while married to his mother. He figured if he never entered a relationship, no one could get hurt. When Joyce opens up to him about almost being raped, and when Liz regrets her decision to have sex with him, he started to realize it was more complicated.
I think he’s concerned now that Joyce isn’t interested in him for him, but because she’s so devoted to being “New Joyce” (or perhaps an Anti-Joyce, if you will!) that she’s just with him because it’s something “Old Joyce” would never do. He’s been concerned for a long time about wanting to take things slow with her and not just be the horndog and to be a better person for her, and now from his POV, she’s just trying to be a worse person for him.
He wants to be an actual boyfriend, not part of a delayed teenage rebellion.
If he is worried about that, I really wish he would look into the enemies-to-lovers trope. He’s been solidly in it since she started texting him about his being angry. The potential for things to turn that way has been there since the second he spotted her in hopes of asking her out. And likely the chemistry was there since roomies, but Joe is not aware of the multiverse (and I’m glad he doesn’t know Roomies Joyce).
I think it’s an internal conflict. On one hand: hot gf wants sex and that is a pretty obvious appeal. On the other hand: he genuinely cares about her and even Joe can see Joyce’s current “let’s speed run from sheltered Christian to drinking, swearing, sex having adult” is probably going to be too much change too fast and end poorly
I remember me and my friends watching South Park for the first time in the 7th grade, and then using swear words three times a sentence minimum for like two weeks before we settled down.
Joyce tends not to do things by halves. She’ll level off eventually, but she’s 100% going to be what the youngsters call “cringe” for a while first.
I think Joe is also afraid of doing sex things with Joyce, given what happened with Liz. He adores Joyce, things are going well, he doesn’t want to hurt or ‘ruin’ her.
Oh, I was reading it as like words, not letters and was like wtf is an en-bee-dee? Is that an American thing?
Vanessa
It’s a Joyce thing I think. Like Grandma saying “El oh el, dub tea eff!” To look cool for the grandkids.
Needfuldoer
“How do you do, fellow kids?”
Schpoonman
My oldest brother, as a college-aged person used to phonetically say “jklol” as “jik-lawl”. I texted him when Ayo in QC showed up.
Mark
It’s a bank that was bought by another bank that was then bought by another bank, after it had bought the bank that bought my bank. Welcome to America.
Taffy
I think it’s just a normal human behavior thing, not exclusive to or emblematic of Americans.
No Big Deal; Not Gonna Lie, is what that means, that’s her speaking two different acronyms *as* acronyms. Just instead of the letters only, it was written how it sounds.
Does she want to have sex with him because of her feelings (romantic or erotic) for him, or does she want to have sex with him to prove how non-longer-old-repressed-Joyce she is?
Honestly, I suspect it’s a bit of both, but it’s an open question as to which one will win out over the other. It’ll either be, “I don’t need to prove anything, I’m doing it because I want to” or “I want to do this, and when I do it will prove I’m New Joyce.”
Rabid Rabbit
It could also be “I’m doing this because I’M FUCKING HORNY!!! Oh, hi, Joe, yes, you’re the broad-chested type I like, you’ll do.”
Or possibly that would be Joe’s worst nightmare: that they have sex and then Joyce discovers that 1) she likes it and 2) other guys seem like even more fun, so thanks, Joe, but I’m gonna go bone EthanJacob — hmm, you’re actually the only one left I know, aren’t you? Oh, fine, I guess I’ll settle for you for now.
Daibhid C
Yep, that absolutely sounds like something Joyce would do, or that Joe would think Joyce would do.
You know they started dating before New Joyce decided she was almost maybe ready to have sex with someone, right?
186 thoughts on “Supercool Joyce”
NGPZ
awe damn she crankin it up to level ELEVEN now!!!!
>:D
*plays “Apocalypshit” by Molotov on hacked muzak*
clif
Joyce is dead. Long live the Anti-Joyce.
NGPZ
Unholy unholy unholy
is the Parasite of Hosts
who comes to drain her cult of glory
them girl now woke an’
broke the pen that tried to write her story
her an’ homies be blushin’ and gushin’
gone from raining to pourin’
with hearts soaring, dino digga ROARIN’
the joy of love takin’ em higher now SOARIN’
tonight they gonna be explorin’
JoyJoe and pals ain’t never borin’
<3
Laura
Wow!
someone
Should have said “en-bee-eff-dee, en-eff-gee-eff-el.”
clif
Where eff stands for F-word.
Muttski
The look Joe is giving, seems like he’s not sure about the new Joyce. ?
RassilonTDavros
I think he feels like he’s pushed Joyce’s development too quickly, and is worried that she’s secretly uncomfortable with the idea of sex and is just saying this because she thinks it’s what Joe wants.
tsa
I think you’re right on the money. I imagine we’re gonna get a callback to this comic from 12 years ago: https://www.dumbingofage.com/2012/comic/book-2/02-choosing-my-religion/casualbang/
Prince Mech
I remember reading the comments on this strip during my first read-through and being absolutely baffled as to why the comments section was siding with Joe on Danny not feeling comfortable about sleeping with Billie.
Jeremiah
I think that face mean something very different.
NGPZ
I can’t quite read it either.
I wanna say… horny? ?
anonymsly
I think it’s horny but scared, myself. Horny because hot girlfriend Joyce, scared because Liz and how he ‘almost ruined her’.
NGPZ
And I ask to Joe, what of Dorothy and Joyce doing laundry? And drinking?
Joe don’t gotta worry about “ruining” her. Thanks to Dotty and company helpin Joyce break them chains, she’s pre-“ruined”
XD
Tan
The worry is not about “ruining” Joyce. The worry is that all of this is a performative act that Joyce herself isn’t going to realize until too late, and that by the time she reverses course, if they’ve already done things that can’t be taken back, Joyce is going to FEEL ruined and it’ll implode the relationship.
clif
You mean a performative act as indicated be the last panel?
Victor Riley
I don’t know… the last time we saw him try sexytime with someone (with Liz), that’s exactly what she said, that she almost “ruined” herself… out loud with him right there. And it clearly hurt him. So that’s certainly weighing on him… so HE may not be ready for it again.
Tan
Yes, that is exactly the point. That Joyce is going to have that reversal of course like Liz, particularly if it’s after instead of before.
GholaHalleck
Since Joyce hasn’t in *any* way dealt with her sexual assault trauma… Or … ANY of her trauma… It bodes ill for their maiden voyage sexy times attempt.
Big Z
Joe is DEFINITELY scaroused.
Plaaaaaa
That’s not exactly horniness on Joe’s face, it the pain of blue balls
Taffy
Is that myth ever gonna go away? ?
Victor Riley
Sadly, probably not.
HueSatLight
I’m sorry, what?
Taffy
Blue balls. It’s not real.
Roborat
For some people, yes it is.
Taffy
Those people are experiencing testicular torsion and have more important things to worry about.
Brat_t
https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/blue-balls#:~:text=Blue%20balls%20occurs%20when%20an,affect%20people%20with%20male%20genitals.
DaisyFM
Blue balls is absolutely real and you don’t even need to have balls to experience it.
Puppeteer Nessus
Joe wants to wait for marriage
Michael Steamweed
He’s so traditional. Such a good boy!
Bittersweet
There are two wolves in his head, one which thinks this is hot af and the other one which is worried this will lead to a Liz Part II and it’s only a matter of time before Joyce realizes he’d be the worst mistake of her life too.
These two wolves fight ferociously and then a third wolf comes in seriously confused and concerned about why nobody knows what a keg is.
Dante
DING DING DING! You’ve nailed it. He’s actually been worried about Not Being Enough for Joyce for a long time – and fearing he’s Dad Rosenthal, The Sequel, for even longer. Being an ethical slut didn’t even work: The Do List is proof.
And he does want it. He wants her so much it’s insane. Like he’s hoping SHE will rail him in a frenzy of passion, no prisoners taken, just so he can absolve himself from the guilt. It’s delicious. Becky and him should exchange pointers.
Bash
For a long time Joe thought his dad’s only sin was cheating. When Mr Rosenthal hits on Sarah at freshman family weekend, the only problem he sees is that his dad was like this while married to his mother. He figured if he never entered a relationship, no one could get hurt. When Joyce opens up to him about almost being raped, and when Liz regrets her decision to have sex with him, he started to realize it was more complicated.
Proto
I think he’s concerned now that Joyce isn’t interested in him for him, but because she’s so devoted to being “New Joyce” (or perhaps an Anti-Joyce, if you will!) that she’s just with him because it’s something “Old Joyce” would never do. He’s been concerned for a long time about wanting to take things slow with her and not just be the horndog and to be a better person for her, and now from his POV, she’s just trying to be a worse person for him.
He wants to be an actual boyfriend, not part of a delayed teenage rebellion.
Carla's #2 Fan
If he is worried about that, I really wish he would look into the enemies-to-lovers trope. He’s been solidly in it since she started texting him about his being angry. The potential for things to turn that way has been there since the second he spotted her in hopes of asking her out. And likely the chemistry was there since roomies, but Joe is not aware of the multiverse (and I’m glad he doesn’t know Roomies Joyce).
Mark
I think maybe he’s wondering if there’s any of the old Joyce left, the Joyce he unexpectedly fell for.
Opinion
I think it’s an internal conflict. On one hand: hot gf wants sex and that is a pretty obvious appeal. On the other hand: he genuinely cares about her and even Joe can see Joyce’s current “let’s speed run from sheltered Christian to drinking, swearing, sex having adult” is probably going to be too much change too fast and end poorly
StClair
yes, Joyce, you’re so very cool and grown-up now. :eyeroll:
Doctor_Who
I remember me and my friends watching South Park for the first time in the 7th grade, and then using swear words three times a sentence minimum for like two weeks before we settled down.
Joyce tends not to do things by halves. She’ll level off eventually, but she’s 100% going to be what the youngsters call “cringe” for a while first.
Nono
Yep, remember only a month or two ago she was all in ‘yeah atheism is awesome, samesie-knucks!’
Chaucer59
I thought cringe was Joyce’s natural habitat.
Grimey
It takes her a bit but she’s got the spirit.
Michael Steamweed
What are you talking about? Becky is the one who clearly has the spirits.
😀
Jeremiah
She is! Thanks you for noticing!
zee
Bro she didn’t get to go through this phase in 8th grade like the rest of us, let her have this
Taffy
Pee your pants about it some more, that’ll help.
Corronchilejano
It’s not going to get up for Joe, is it?
BSD
He’s having flashbacks to the incident with Sarah’s sister.
ian livs
Oh shit
Tan
Exactly what I was gonna comment other than to note that her name is Liz
ian livs
I, like Joe seems to be, am worried she’s trying too hard. For understandable reasons (both the trying and the worrying) but still
anonymsly
I think Joe is also afraid of doing sex things with Joyce, given what happened with Liz. He adores Joyce, things are going well, he doesn’t want to hurt or ‘ruin’ her.
Vanessa
Or even worse, have her run away, never to speak to him again.
Shitbird
What is en-bee-dee en-gee-el??
RassilonTDavros
“No Big Deal” and “Not Gonna Lie”.
Shitbird
Oh, I was reading it as like words, not letters and was like wtf is an en-bee-dee? Is that an American thing?
Vanessa
It’s a Joyce thing I think. Like Grandma saying “El oh el, dub tea eff!” To look cool for the grandkids.
Needfuldoer
“How do you do, fellow kids?”
Schpoonman
My oldest brother, as a college-aged person used to phonetically say “jklol” as “jik-lawl”. I texted him when Ayo in QC showed up.
Mark
It’s a bank that was bought by another bank that was then bought by another bank, after it had bought the bank that bought my bank. Welcome to America.
Taffy
I think it’s just a normal human behavior thing, not exclusive to or emblematic of Americans.
Ghostforge
No Big Deal; Not Gonna Lie, is what that means, that’s her speaking two different acronyms *as* acronyms. Just instead of the letters only, it was written how it sounds.
Daibhid C
It’s a mispronounciation of “Ein Bidet Engels”, the nickname Friedrich Engels got after he said it was really bourgioise to have more than one bidet.
clif
And here I thought it was because he invented the Bidet app for the Eye-phone.
They had to recall it because the icon was confusingly similar to the camera app and people kept using the wrong one.
Nono
That is not the face of someone looking forward to sex.
Slartibeast Button, BIA
Does she want to have sex with him because of her feelings (romantic or erotic) for him, or does she want to have sex with him to prove how non-longer-old-repressed-Joyce she is?
Dark_T_Zeratul
Honestly, I suspect it’s a bit of both, but it’s an open question as to which one will win out over the other. It’ll either be, “I don’t need to prove anything, I’m doing it because I want to” or “I want to do this, and when I do it will prove I’m New Joyce.”
Rabid Rabbit
It could also be “I’m doing this because I’M FUCKING HORNY!!! Oh, hi, Joe, yes, you’re the broad-chested type I like, you’ll do.”
Or possibly that would be Joe’s worst nightmare: that they have sex and then Joyce discovers that 1) she likes it and 2) other guys seem like even more fun, so thanks, Joe, but I’m gonna go bone
EthanJacob— hmm, you’re actually the only one left I know, aren’t you? Oh, fine, I guess I’ll settle for you for now.Daibhid C
Yep, that absolutely sounds like something Joyce would do, or that Joe would think Joyce would do.
You know they started dating before New Joyce decided she was almost maybe ready to have sex with someone, right?
Jeremiah
I don’t agree with the comments that Joe look worried or concerned in panel 3. He honestly looks pretty into the idea to me.