Willis mentioned once that Danny’s parents have about the same opinion of him as the comments section does(and this was back when the comments really hated him). So yeah, Danny’s reaction to verbal abuse isn’t surprising, but it’s pretty upsetting.
wonder if he baited her with that comment so he could use the line on the last panel, or if it was a coincidence.
brumagem (phone)
Dan-o is too honest to bait someone even if he’s trying to help them.
Reltzik
Also, he’d Dan it up if he tried.
… like, a 4th Dan Danning.
timemonkey
I seem to recall the comments section actually being disturbed when they started doing that. It’s one thing for use to do it, especially since it was mostly a running joke, but when parents are the ones treating Danny like he’s worthless, well that’s a lot less funny and a lot more fucked up.
neeks
THIS. some years ago when i told my dad about a job i was pursuing, his response was “don’t screw this up”….the implication being that i’d screwed up everything prior. which i kind of had, it’s a fair point, but YOU DON’T GODDAMN SAY THAT TO YOUR OWN GODDAMN KID.
so anyway we don’t really talk much anymore, even taking into account that we didn’t really talk that much to begin with.
Very Good Karma
Eh, my father once told me that my life was in such a state of shambles that my only remaining option was to kill myself, and even people who know about that, from trained professionals to other children of abusive parents, still give me constant criticism for not calling him more and not being a more dutiful respectful son who understands that he loves me and forgives him and honors him et cetera et cetera. I think the general consensus is that parents can say whatever they goddamn like to their kids, and it’s the kid’s job to make them look good for saying it.
DarkVeghetta
General consensus of people that are either punching bags or have never experienced it themselves. Personally, once I agreed with my father that we had nothing to say to each another, we never spoke again – that was ~10 years ago.
While I do want to try one more time, preferably before he crokes it, I’m in no real rush and will realistically only do so when I can snub him with my accomplishments, because he’s the kind of person that cares about such things – I’m really not, but I know my audience.
Until such a time, he can go fuck himself.
DarkVeghetta
Oh, and yes, people have told me that as well, repeatedly. I explained to them that they had no idea of what they where talking about and where utterly wrong. Some understood, others disagreed on principle – but I made my point very clear.
“I think the general consensus is that parents can say whatever they goddamn like to their kids, and it’s the kid’s job to make them look good for saying it.”
Oh very much so. There’s a weird big culture dedicated to whitewashing negative deeds by parents and putting the onus on their kids to “reconnect” and “forgive”. Usually it’s reinforced by narratives about “the importance of family” though this usually doesn’t extend to asking parents to stop being awful to kids or overly demanding parents who’ve disowned their kids to stop being awful and reconnect.
I’m gonna guess it has something to do with the fact that parents have social power over kids and the fact that there’s still a lot of remnants of the culture that views kids as the property of parents to shape how they want.
Leorale
Totally. People from healthy families saying, ‘but FAAAAMILY’ are talking about a whole different beastie than a truly dysfunctional and toxic family situation. Here is a terrible metaphor but it’s 1am so it’s the one you get: it’s kinda like if you love doggies, and you’re encouraging somebody that their dog can be so terrific if they are nice to it, while not quite understanding that you’re talking to somebody who has a hyena in their house.
A lot of happy-family people like their families, and don’t want to believe that some people just don’t get to have a basically kind family of origin, so they wanna fix it! Nope. Hyenas. It’s wiser to figure that if somebody has stopped talking to their families, well that was probably really hard, and they probably had a really important reason about which I know nothing.
Aslee
This comment gives me the urge to puke up, like, every shitty “LOVE YOUR PARENTS EVEN IF THEY’RE HUGE SHITSTAINS” movie I’ve ever watched. Thanks for the detox.
RandomRedMage
People give me shit for not calling or talking to my mother or wanting to. Despite the fact that shes a toxic individual, I love her, I really do, but she’s toxic to my mental health. She isn’t abusive, shes just not the kind of person I can spend time with, she wasn’t a part of my life until I was 19 and then she was too MUCH a part of my life and could not and would not understand, that I’m already grown I don’t need a mommy, I needed a Mom. e_e; couple that with the fact that she had bad stress handling and spent most of my life inside jail/prison whatever, and you have a wonderful cocktail of I’m sick of this crap. The last time she got arrested, it was newsworthy, and that’s when I drew the line and decided I’m can’t have her in my life.
motorfirebox
Well, as a person who grew up with some really great parents, I think your dad should smoke an M80.
Jason
I don’t really get that attitude. But then, I just say that my parents’ abuse resulted in me having PTSD, and they go “well shit, okay then” and leave it at that.
…Hooray for finding a use for that I guess?
But yeah, I definitely got that attitude fired at me as a kid and (especially) as a teenager; and somewhat as a younger adult, before I understood the scope and origin of the damage. I pull no punches with parents and bullshit now, and I have no patience with anyone else having that attitude. Thankfully the people nearest and dearest to me totally support me.
thebooksluts
Oh, it’s definitely okay not to talk to your parents if they treat you like shit. Hell, my mom is nice to me and I still don’t talk to her because talking to her screws me up inside (due to many issues). People who have good parents won’t understand, cannot understand; people who were brought up to believe that family > everything else also cannot understand. You do what’s best for you and you’ll be happier for it, even with the occasional twinges of guilt. I cut my toxic family out of my life years ago and I am so, so much healthier.
Conuly
Don’t call your asshole dad. Tell your shrink and friends they’re full of shit.
TheBiggestTom
Many times, reconnecting with and talking to parents is a way to resolve issues with your own life and feelings. Kills the stress at the source, etc. Sometimes even just seeing that the parent either forgives/feels regret, or that they’re never going to love or respect you, ever, can be a source of huge relief – just like what Becky did in this comic.
Yeah, when someone’s a fictional character you’ll never really encounter, it can be okay to joke about them, but when someone is a parent and you’re saying that to your own kid, it’s… really bad.
Leorale
Danny isn’t real so we can’t hurt him, but his parents can.
LooksLikeDaniel
Can someone please direct me to the strip(s) in which Danny’s parents are verbally abusive? Because I can’t find it anywhere. A couple of below the belt remarks, yes, but nothing like what Amber just did.
Reltzik
I can’t help but think that Joe might also be a factor.
DarkVeghetta
Joe actually cares about Danny. He jokes around, but it’s clear to the both of them his opinion of Danny is much more nuanced then his parent’s opinion of him is.
TheNinthShader
I’m waiting for sal to suddenly burst in on a motorcycle, and tell them both to shut the fuck up.
JQuire
Maybe, but I think Joe’s criticism is usually attempting to be constructive and not aimed at doing Danny down. Mostly Joe encourages him to be more promiscuous (which he sees as the best way to avoid the romantic angst that Danny repeatedly winds up in), or challenges Danny to defend some of his problematic attitudes towards sex and relationships.
Spencer
It’s constructive in the sense that Joe wants Danny to reevaluate his thought process, but the problem with that is Joe thinks “be more like me” is the ideal solution.
JQuire
Well, yeah. But moving a little further towards the Joe end of the continuum could be healthy for Danny.
Spencer
Why? What makes Joe’s take inherently healthier?
Danny’s worst aspects, like his tendency to revolve around his partner to his own detriment and his inability to accept that he’s not a cheater if he thinks Ethan is attractive, I’d want to see him overcome, but that’s not really moving towards Joe in the same way that Joe opening up to emotional connections doesn’t make him more Danny.
JQuire
These characters are foils. It makes sense to view their characteristics on a continuum in ways that wouldn’t work in comparing real people.
Dan is profoundly uncomfortable with his sexuality (and I mean that here as every aspect of his sexuality, not just his attraction towards men/Ethan) and existing outside of a committed relationship. Joe is at the other end, being totally comfortable with his sexuality and adamantly opposed to existing within a committed relationship.
Being comfortable with your sexuality and yourself is healthier, in the majority of cases.
Random832
” in the same way that Joe opening up to emotional connections doesn’t make him more Danny.” – I dispute the premise. If two people are opposite in some way, then the middle and the other person are in the same direction.
timemonkey
Spencer, you’ve misunderstood. Why? What makes Joe’s take inherently healthier?
It’s not about Joe being better, it’s about them being on opposite ends of the spectrum. Danny needs to stop becoming so emotionally attached to people so quickly. Joe needs to stop being afraid of becoming attached. They both need to be more like each other to find a happy, stable medium.
More than slightly. Amber is an utterly dangerous person, given her antics and her AG alter’s attitudes toward violence; I’d bet dollars to donuts she’s going to go looking for a fight after this conversation – no telling if it would be deliberate or otherwise.
That’s the same feeling I get when I’m wondering why the voice of that handsome cad Archer has been transplanted into an balding, middle-aged father who owns a joint called Bob’s Burgers.
neeks
imagine my surprise when one of bob’s daughters showed up on that fx show about the last man alive.
which might actually be called “the last man alive,” i don’t remember.
Aslee
Don’t watch Gravity Falls, it’ll mess you up.
Lord Stoneheart
I spent so much time wondering why the season 4 premier of Archer did such an extended riff on Bob’ Burgers. Same voice actor right. I didn’t catch that at all. (Hides due to embarrassment)
Vex Godglove
I got to know him as Coach McGurk on Home Movies first. It was especially jarring to see him as Archer after that
Very Good Karma
I dunno, on some level, he’s always played the exact same character. He’s a masculine man who is impatient, has a low tolerance for bullshit, and is ruled by his own impulses and knows it.
AlexanderHammil
Ah, come on now, Can of Creamed Corn is a totally different character!
I am so completely overconfident that I’m confident that my overconfidence issues have their own issues of overconfidence, and this exponential cycle of overconfidence will lead to me taking over the world STARTING WITH THIS GAME OF CONFIDENCE ISSUES!
…. what? Confidence issues can swing both ways, yo.
Okay, I agree, but I don’t know which half of that is tragic. That his parents sound like that or that we sound like that? How am I agreeing? I shouldn’t be able to agree without knowing that.
389 thoughts on “Piece of shit”
Ana Chronistic
“well I’ll try to put a word in for you but idk”
Ana Chronistic
“she has poop emotes at the ready”
Doctor_Who
I read that wrong, and was really worried that she’s sitting right above him for a second.
Amazi-Girl has ways of making her displeasure known. Sal should start wearing a hat outdoors.
Jay Eff
What, so she’s a pigeon now?
cesium133
Nah, it’s only for Danny. Incidentally, the next Slipshine is a little weird.
Jones
Hatoful boyfriend / DoA crossover?
Buhzim
Gimme the chocolate, Hisao!
The Other Mike
Wrong visual novel.
SconesAndEvil
I mean it’s hard to confirm. Have we ever seen her and a pigeon in the same place at the same time??
darkgloomie
would explain her nemesis, the squirrel.
DSL
Well, Squirrel Girl *is* unbeatable.
Captain Button
Nog is inescapable.
Roborat
Grace is pretty tough as well.
Ana Chronistic
oh thanks for that mental image
Plasma Mongoose
????????
DarkoNeko
Seems fair, but…
le petit roi
Yeah, okay Amber
Opus the Poet
This is just ever so slightly disturbing.
Leorale
In the sense that Amber has big problems, that Danny is accustomed to verbal abuse, or both?
Viktoria
Willis mentioned once that Danny’s parents have about the same opinion of him as the comments section does(and this was back when the comments really hated him). So yeah, Danny’s reaction to verbal abuse isn’t surprising, but it’s pretty upsetting.
DarkoNeko
wonder if he baited her with that comment so he could use the line on the last panel, or if it was a coincidence.
brumagem (phone)
Dan-o is too honest to bait someone even if he’s trying to help them.
Reltzik
Also, he’d Dan it up if he tried.
… like, a 4th Dan Danning.
timemonkey
I seem to recall the comments section actually being disturbed when they started doing that. It’s one thing for use to do it, especially since it was mostly a running joke, but when parents are the ones treating Danny like he’s worthless, well that’s a lot less funny and a lot more fucked up.
neeks
THIS. some years ago when i told my dad about a job i was pursuing, his response was “don’t screw this up”….the implication being that i’d screwed up everything prior. which i kind of had, it’s a fair point, but YOU DON’T GODDAMN SAY THAT TO YOUR OWN GODDAMN KID.
so anyway we don’t really talk much anymore, even taking into account that we didn’t really talk that much to begin with.
Very Good Karma
Eh, my father once told me that my life was in such a state of shambles that my only remaining option was to kill myself, and even people who know about that, from trained professionals to other children of abusive parents, still give me constant criticism for not calling him more and not being a more dutiful respectful son who understands that he loves me and forgives him and honors him et cetera et cetera. I think the general consensus is that parents can say whatever they goddamn like to their kids, and it’s the kid’s job to make them look good for saying it.
DarkVeghetta
General consensus of people that are either punching bags or have never experienced it themselves. Personally, once I agreed with my father that we had nothing to say to each another, we never spoke again – that was ~10 years ago.
While I do want to try one more time, preferably before he crokes it, I’m in no real rush and will realistically only do so when I can snub him with my accomplishments, because he’s the kind of person that cares about such things – I’m really not, but I know my audience.
Until such a time, he can go fuck himself.
DarkVeghetta
Oh, and yes, people have told me that as well, repeatedly. I explained to them that they had no idea of what they where talking about and where utterly wrong. Some understood, others disagreed on principle – but I made my point very clear.
Cerberus
“I think the general consensus is that parents can say whatever they goddamn like to their kids, and it’s the kid’s job to make them look good for saying it.”
Oh very much so. There’s a weird big culture dedicated to whitewashing negative deeds by parents and putting the onus on their kids to “reconnect” and “forgive”. Usually it’s reinforced by narratives about “the importance of family” though this usually doesn’t extend to asking parents to stop being awful to kids or overly demanding parents who’ve disowned their kids to stop being awful and reconnect.
I’m gonna guess it has something to do with the fact that parents have social power over kids and the fact that there’s still a lot of remnants of the culture that views kids as the property of parents to shape how they want.
Leorale
Totally. People from healthy families saying, ‘but FAAAAMILY’ are talking about a whole different beastie than a truly dysfunctional and toxic family situation. Here is a terrible metaphor but it’s 1am so it’s the one you get: it’s kinda like if you love doggies, and you’re encouraging somebody that their dog can be so terrific if they are nice to it, while not quite understanding that you’re talking to somebody who has a hyena in their house.
A lot of happy-family people like their families, and don’t want to believe that some people just don’t get to have a basically kind family of origin, so they wanna fix it! Nope. Hyenas. It’s wiser to figure that if somebody has stopped talking to their families, well that was probably really hard, and they probably had a really important reason about which I know nothing.
Aslee
This comment gives me the urge to puke up, like, every shitty “LOVE YOUR PARENTS EVEN IF THEY’RE HUGE SHITSTAINS” movie I’ve ever watched. Thanks for the detox.
RandomRedMage
People give me shit for not calling or talking to my mother or wanting to. Despite the fact that shes a toxic individual, I love her, I really do, but she’s toxic to my mental health. She isn’t abusive, shes just not the kind of person I can spend time with, she wasn’t a part of my life until I was 19 and then she was too MUCH a part of my life and could not and would not understand, that I’m already grown I don’t need a mommy, I needed a Mom. e_e; couple that with the fact that she had bad stress handling and spent most of my life inside jail/prison whatever, and you have a wonderful cocktail of I’m sick of this crap. The last time she got arrested, it was newsworthy, and that’s when I drew the line and decided I’m can’t have her in my life.
motorfirebox
Well, as a person who grew up with some really great parents, I think your dad should smoke an M80.
Jason
I don’t really get that attitude. But then, I just say that my parents’ abuse resulted in me having PTSD, and they go “well shit, okay then” and leave it at that.
…Hooray for finding a use for that I guess?
But yeah, I definitely got that attitude fired at me as a kid and (especially) as a teenager; and somewhat as a younger adult, before I understood the scope and origin of the damage. I pull no punches with parents and bullshit now, and I have no patience with anyone else having that attitude. Thankfully the people nearest and dearest to me totally support me.
thebooksluts
Oh, it’s definitely okay not to talk to your parents if they treat you like shit. Hell, my mom is nice to me and I still don’t talk to her because talking to her screws me up inside (due to many issues). People who have good parents won’t understand, cannot understand; people who were brought up to believe that family > everything else also cannot understand. You do what’s best for you and you’ll be happier for it, even with the occasional twinges of guilt. I cut my toxic family out of my life years ago and I am so, so much healthier.
Conuly
Don’t call your asshole dad. Tell your shrink and friends they’re full of shit.
TheBiggestTom
Many times, reconnecting with and talking to parents is a way to resolve issues with your own life and feelings. Kills the stress at the source, etc. Sometimes even just seeing that the parent either forgives/feels regret, or that they’re never going to love or respect you, ever, can be a source of huge relief – just like what Becky did in this comic.
Cerberus
Yeah, when someone’s a fictional character you’ll never really encounter, it can be okay to joke about them, but when someone is a parent and you’re saying that to your own kid, it’s… really bad.
Leorale
Danny isn’t real so we can’t hurt him, but his parents can.
LooksLikeDaniel
Can someone please direct me to the strip(s) in which Danny’s parents are verbally abusive? Because I can’t find it anywhere. A couple of below the belt remarks, yes, but nothing like what Amber just did.
Reltzik
I can’t help but think that Joe might also be a factor.
DarkVeghetta
Joe actually cares about Danny. He jokes around, but it’s clear to the both of them his opinion of Danny is much more nuanced then his parent’s opinion of him is.
TheNinthShader
I’m waiting for sal to suddenly burst in on a motorcycle, and tell them both to shut the fuck up.
JQuire
Maybe, but I think Joe’s criticism is usually attempting to be constructive and not aimed at doing Danny down. Mostly Joe encourages him to be more promiscuous (which he sees as the best way to avoid the romantic angst that Danny repeatedly winds up in), or challenges Danny to defend some of his problematic attitudes towards sex and relationships.
Spencer
It’s constructive in the sense that Joe wants Danny to reevaluate his thought process, but the problem with that is Joe thinks “be more like me” is the ideal solution.
JQuire
Well, yeah. But moving a little further towards the Joe end of the continuum could be healthy for Danny.
Spencer
Why? What makes Joe’s take inherently healthier?
Danny’s worst aspects, like his tendency to revolve around his partner to his own detriment and his inability to accept that he’s not a cheater if he thinks Ethan is attractive, I’d want to see him overcome, but that’s not really moving towards Joe in the same way that Joe opening up to emotional connections doesn’t make him more Danny.
JQuire
These characters are foils. It makes sense to view their characteristics on a continuum in ways that wouldn’t work in comparing real people.
Dan is profoundly uncomfortable with his sexuality (and I mean that here as every aspect of his sexuality, not just his attraction towards men/Ethan) and existing outside of a committed relationship. Joe is at the other end, being totally comfortable with his sexuality and adamantly opposed to existing within a committed relationship.
Being comfortable with your sexuality and yourself is healthier, in the majority of cases.
Random832
” in the same way that Joe opening up to emotional connections doesn’t make him more Danny.” – I dispute the premise. If two people are opposite in some way, then the middle and the other person are in the same direction.
timemonkey
Spencer, you’ve misunderstood.
Why? What makes Joe’s take inherently healthier?
It’s not about Joe being better, it’s about them being on opposite ends of the spectrum. Danny needs to stop becoming so emotionally attached to people so quickly. Joe needs to stop being afraid of becoming attached. They both need to be more like each other to find a happy, stable medium.
Opus the Poet
Both. Danny being accustomed to verbal abuse moreso than Amber’s problems, but still…
Commodore Jeep-Eep
More than slightly. Amber is an utterly dangerous person, given her antics and her AG alter’s attitudes toward violence; I’d bet dollars to donuts she’s going to go looking for a fight after this conversation – no telling if it would be deliberate or otherwise.
Historyman68
I disagree. Why would she go looking for a fight after someone shows he cares about her? But I suppose time will tell.
Mada
For some reason I’m reading all of Danny’s lines in Morty’s voice now.
He’s right though.
Doctor_Who
I still can’t hear Morty without wondering why Lemongrab looks like a little boy now.
Carriethedragon
That’s the same feeling I get when I’m wondering why the voice of that handsome cad Archer has been transplanted into an balding, middle-aged father who owns a joint called Bob’s Burgers.
neeks
imagine my surprise when one of bob’s daughters showed up on that fx show about the last man alive.
which might actually be called “the last man alive,” i don’t remember.
Aslee
Don’t watch Gravity Falls, it’ll mess you up.
Lord Stoneheart
I spent so much time wondering why the season 4 premier of Archer did such an extended riff on Bob’ Burgers. Same voice actor right. I didn’t catch that at all. (Hides due to embarrassment)
Vex Godglove
I got to know him as Coach McGurk on Home Movies first. It was especially jarring to see him as Archer after that
Very Good Karma
I dunno, on some level, he’s always played the exact same character. He’s a masculine man who is impatient, has a low tolerance for bullshit, and is ruled by his own impulses and knows it.
AlexanderHammil
Ah, come on now, Can of Creamed Corn is a totally different character!
Cephalo the Pod
Hmm, I can actually really hear that.
I’ve just always given Danny deeper voices like Yuri Lowenthal and Alex Rochon.
Historyman68
Would that make Joe Rick?
Demon-Something
Huh, a nice game of “Who Has the Most Confidence Issues.”
Plasma Mongoose
I would put up my hand, but I’m not confident enough to do so.
Needfuldoer
At least you’re confident enough to want to put your hand up. Some of us don’t even get that far.
Edupoet81
I’d play, but what’s the point? I have no chance of winning. I’d fail at that, same way I fail at everything else.
I own a refrigerator magnet that says, “My Inferiority Complex is Not as Good as Yours”
StClair
You don’t deserve a magnet as awesome as that.
ninja_jesus
It’s a game where no one wins.
Reltzik
I am so completely overconfident that I’m confident that my overconfidence issues have their own issues of overconfidence, and this exponential cycle of overconfidence will lead to me taking over the world STARTING WITH THIS GAME OF CONFIDENCE ISSUES!
…. what? Confidence issues can swing both ways, yo.
Jay Eff
Methinks Danny reads the comments section ’round here..
timemonkey
He doesn’t need to, his family sounds just like us.
Leorale
That is tragic.
Reltzik
……
….
..
.
Okay, I agree, but I don’t know which half of that is tragic. That his parents sound like that or that we sound like that? How am I agreeing? I shouldn’t be able to agree without knowing that.
So confused.