Is anyone else actually…kinda proud danny stepped in there? instead of just staring at the fight with a dumbstruck expression?
Niblik
I am. It fits Danny’s personality that he would step in rather than watch someone be killed.
Ghola
I’m proud he stepped in only because he’s an idiot and completely unaware that’s Amber.
I’d like to think he’d help pound the bastard into the ground if he knew it was her.
D
I want to think that’s what any decent person would do. He trusts AG not to hurt him, or I imagine he does, and he recognizes that she’s taking this too far. I don’t think a random passerby would do this because they don’t know that AG wouldn’t turn on them, but Danny has reason to believe he’d be safe even if he pulls her off. I know people give him flack, but in this comic so far he really hasn’t made utterly unreasonable mistakes and he generally tries to do the right thing.
I imagine he was conflicted about whether or not to interfere before he went down, but once Blaine’s no longer an immediate threat there isn’t as much grey area. Blaine deserves a lot of things, but Amber doesn’t deserve to become a murderer.
Thank goodness Danny was there. Blaine totally deserves whatever Amber does to him, but murder is a much more serious charge than assault if this gets out.
Given how Blaine had grabbed Danny they could argue it was self-defense.
xKiv
Pummeling somebody who’s already down is never self-defense (assuming no guns present). You are not defending if you are attacking.
“Prevention” of some imagined future threats also isn’t self-defense. The threat has to be imminent.
k
Dogg, I don’t know how many fights you’ve been in… But just because someone is on the ground does not mean the fight is over. Yes, according to the law that is the end (in many states). But in real life? Hell no – I’ve seen a man get shot FOUR TIMES in the chest and keep coming without even slowing down.
Kell
Not self-defense in relation to him grabbing Danny–it would be defense of another person.
Please, she’s a masked vigilante; they’d have to figure out her identity before they could pin any charges on her, and we all know the Campus Police version of Commissioner Gordon would deny any knowledge.
The next logical step would be Stephen Fry hate-fucking.
das-g
Sadly, I guess about half the vanilla hard core porn videos would qualify for that moniker. Most of the other half is advertised as “amateur” or similar.
No wonder she never takes off her gloves! Still, kind of makes you wonder how she doesn’t recognize Amber considering that Amber shish-kebabed her hand.
Not a single person has recognised Amber. It’s getting really silly every single comic “wow how didn’t (Danny/Dorothy/Blaine/Sal) recognise it was her they must be stupid” when this is obviously a Clark-Kent type universe.
MM
As a brunette with glasses, I don’t have a terribly hard time believing Amber blends in.
TheKelliestKelly
No, I think Jordan meant he was surprised that Sal didn’t recognize Amber when she was out of costume.
insomniac
You misunderstand. In this case Jordan isn’t asking “why didn’t Sal recognise Amazi-Girl is Amber,” the question is “why didn’t Sal recognise ‘Amber the fellow student Sal dismissed as a weirdo’ as ‘Amber the girl who stabbed Sal with a knife’.”
It might be a reasonable slip on Sal’s part (years ago, only saw her briefly both times, etc) but it’s a different question.
Kryss LaBryn
Yeah, but her hair, body language, and glasses (not to mention the difference in ages) is so different that *I* barely recognize Amber as Amber, and I wasn’t full of adrenaline when I first laid eyes on her.
One time I was at the mall when I was supposed to be in school, when who should come down the corridor but my dad. I took off my glasses and put them in my pocket and brushed my bangs back and he didn’t even look twice when he passed right by us. Going in the opposite direction, too, so we were briefly face-to-face.
It’s surprising how much we rely on very broad cues to recognize even people we know quite well; change your body language, change something as fundamental to your face as glasses, and meet them somewhere they aren’t expecting you, and if you don’t do anything to attract their attention they will skip right over you. Once avoided a girl who’d been actively *looking* for me by taking off my perpetual hat and, again, my glasses; she sat right beside me with her friends as I was reading for about five minutes, and again, didn’t even notice me.
Frankly, I’d be surprised, given how much Amber’s changed, and the difference in the two scenarios under which they’ve met, if Sal *did* recognize her. Mind you, if she ever happens to see Amber crying and borderline-hysterical at a gas station, there might be a sudden realization of why Amber had looked vaguely familiar.
Ess
And yet Sal, who is taller, older, more composed, and now with straighter hair, was easily recognised all of these years later by Amber, in spite of so many cues changed. Why is this a one-way street?
Leorale
Some people just have an eye for faces. (I know because I don’t.)
Shadow12000
Oh gee, I dunno, I could guess it’s either one of two things: Amber has a better memory, or Amber was much more mentally scarred by the event that she has the memory of the person who used her only friend as a hostage. Sal was stabbed in her hand, and seems like much more the kind of person who can move on from something like that. She’s Sal after all.
Shadow12000
memory of the person who used her only friend as a hostage burned into her mind.*
Sorry, was trying to word that better and forgot to actually finish it. It’s late.
fogel
Add to that, Amber was focused on Sal, whereas Sal wasn’t really paying real attention to Amber OR Ethan as individuals.
John
Sal was wearing the same clothes!
MsSchiff
“The day you stabbed me in the hand because I took your friend hostage in a misguided attempt to get my parents’ attention was the most important day of your life.
Amber was traumatised, Sal was rabid. One had the details etched in, the other seems to be trying to forget them.
shizuka
I would say that Amber was much more deeply traumatized by the initial encounter. Kinda like the scene from the (god-awful) Street Fighter movie when Bison is talking to Chun-Li. I paraphrase: “For you, the day I destroyed your village and murdered your father was the defining moment in your life. For me, it was Tuesday…”
Vastin
I’d just like to note, for one of the worst movies ever, that was nevertheless one of the best quotes ever.
A simple and biting deconstruction of how different people’s (and characters) perceptions can be, even at the same place and time.
insomniac
I’m not saying it’s impossible or even implausible. Just that it’s a different question than the one Ace thought Jordan was asking.
gka
Aye. This is why the basic trick for changing one’s identity (as a man, at least) is to shave and get a hair cut. Instantly, one looks completely different.
Paul1963
Never underestimate the importance of context when speculating on whether someone would recognize someone else. I know I’ve always had an issue with not immediately recognizing people when I see them in a different setting than I’m used to. Obviously, it’s not a problem with close friends, but if I run into someone from work outside the office, there’s a pretty good chance I won’t know them right away.
Eh, she was a little brunette girl at the time; now she’s a young brunette woman. People have a hard enough time remembering faces/physical traits of assailants shortly after an attack, as adults, when describing them to police- expecting someone to immediately recognize a person ten years after the fact when it happened in her own youth and her attacker has…. y’know, grown up, is expecting a bit much, I’d think.
She didn’t twist the blade, looked like it went in between the bones of her hand. Should be fine. well as fine as a stab wound that can imbed the blade into hood of a cop car could be.
517 thoughts on “Down”
Idon'tcarenomore
She got him. Indeed.
David Herbert
Looking at that hand in panel one, he seems to be begging her to stop.
Justin
Is anyone else actually…kinda proud danny stepped in there? instead of just staring at the fight with a dumbstruck expression?
Niblik
I am. It fits Danny’s personality that he would step in rather than watch someone be killed.
Ghola
I’m proud he stepped in only because he’s an idiot and completely unaware that’s Amber.
I’d like to think he’d help pound the bastard into the ground if he knew it was her.
D
I want to think that’s what any decent person would do. He trusts AG not to hurt him, or I imagine he does, and he recognizes that she’s taking this too far. I don’t think a random passerby would do this because they don’t know that AG wouldn’t turn on them, but Danny has reason to believe he’d be safe even if he pulls her off. I know people give him flack, but in this comic so far he really hasn’t made utterly unreasonable mistakes and he generally tries to do the right thing.
I imagine he was conflicted about whether or not to interfere before he went down, but once Blaine’s no longer an immediate threat there isn’t as much grey area. Blaine deserves a lot of things, but Amber doesn’t deserve to become a murderer.
Pumpkin Cake
Thank goodness Danny was there. Blaine totally deserves whatever Amber does to him, but murder is a much more serious charge than assault if this gets out.
EvilPenguin
Given how Blaine had grabbed Danny they could argue it was self-defense.
xKiv
Pummeling somebody who’s already down is never self-defense (assuming no guns present). You are not defending if you are attacking.
“Prevention” of some imagined future threats also isn’t self-defense. The threat has to be imminent.
k
Dogg, I don’t know how many fights you’ve been in… But just because someone is on the ground does not mean the fight is over. Yes, according to the law that is the end (in many states). But in real life? Hell no – I’ve seen a man get shot FOUR TIMES in the chest and keep coming without even slowing down.
Kell
Not self-defense in relation to him grabbing Danny–it would be defense of another person.
Zap Rowsdower
Please, she’s a masked vigilante; they’d have to figure out her identity before they could pin any charges on her, and we all know the Campus Police version of Commissioner Gordon would deny any knowledge.
JebJeb
Well that definitely has to sting. Surprised Sal can use her hand after that.
Plasma Mongoose
I hope it wasn’t her masturbating hand.
JebJeb
My heart goes out to her if it is. Takes a long time to get that other hand into masturbating shape.
Lumino
There is no better Gravitar for that comment.
Sambo
I didn’t even notice. Thanks for making my day that much better 😀
Rex Hondo
No, it really doesn’t. It just takes proper motivation.
Charlie Spencer
It really isn’t a problem if you’ll just switch off regularly. Then you’ll be prepared in the event of a crisis, or a ‘two-fer’.
Animal
You have to master a technique commonly referred to as “speed-shifting.”
Mr K
What does she masturbate to?
Plasma Mongoose
Guys with fancy British accents, so… Stephen Fry perhaps?
chris73
I’m straight but I’d whack off to Stephen Fry
Tunaro
Hate-fuck videos, maybe? Is that a thing?
asmcint
Yes, that is a thing.
Davriel
The next logical step would be Stephen Fry hate-fucking.
das-g
Sadly, I guess about half the vanilla hard core porn videos would qualify for that moniker. Most of the other half is advertised as “amateur” or similar.
Animal
“The Most Interesting Man in the World” commercials.
(I can neither confirm nor deny myself having been the inspiration for those commercials.)
nothri
And suddenly I have an entirely different explanation for Sal’s general level of bongoiness.
Plasma Mongoose
I might be cranky too if I couldn’t use both hands ‘stoke my fires’.
PokeyPuppy
Meh, that’s toys are for.
nothri
Dude, some things not even transformers can cure.
…..oh, wait, you meant THOSE kind of….
Mr. Random
TMNT toys can’t solve it either.
Or did you mean…
Shadow12000
I believe they’re talking about My “Little Pony”.
Bill
Pokey Puppy is talking about the playthings from Pixar’s “Toy Story”.
You know, Mom’s toys …. Buzz and Woody.
PokeyPuppy
You guys are all awesome. 🙂
nothri
Wasn’t even trying to make a call back, but here we are anyhow:
http://www.dumbingofage.com/2013/comic/book-3/03-answers-in-hennessy/noises/
Betty Anne
Transformers can cure a wider variety of ‘ailments’ than you might think. See: Tumblr. XD
shizuka
If you don’t have them both yet, just play with your Woody until you get a Buzz…
sidhe3141
They work better if you let Joyce make the noises.
The Candyman
Seeing as Sal is left-handed, it most likely was. Poor girl.
Azrael
Good thing she got stabbed in the right hand then. 😛
Justanothersomethingorother
Methinks the implications there are that she wasn’t BORN left-handed
David Willis
She was wielding the knife left-handed earlier.
Mattyos
She’s a lefty so she’ll be fine
Jordan
No wonder she never takes off her gloves! Still, kind of makes you wonder how she doesn’t recognize Amber considering that Amber shish-kebabed her hand.
EvilPenguin
Maybe she didn’t see her? Her eyes are closed from the pain, maybe the cops got Amber out of sight.
Ace
Not a single person has recognised Amber. It’s getting really silly every single comic “wow how didn’t (Danny/Dorothy/Blaine/Sal) recognise it was her they must be stupid” when this is obviously a Clark-Kent type universe.
MM
As a brunette with glasses, I don’t have a terribly hard time believing Amber blends in.
TheKelliestKelly
No, I think Jordan meant he was surprised that Sal didn’t recognize Amber when she was out of costume.
insomniac
You misunderstand. In this case Jordan isn’t asking “why didn’t Sal recognise Amazi-Girl is Amber,” the question is “why didn’t Sal recognise ‘Amber the fellow student Sal dismissed as a weirdo’ as ‘Amber the girl who stabbed Sal with a knife’.”
It might be a reasonable slip on Sal’s part (years ago, only saw her briefly both times, etc) but it’s a different question.
Kryss LaBryn
Yeah, but her hair, body language, and glasses (not to mention the difference in ages) is so different that *I* barely recognize Amber as Amber, and I wasn’t full of adrenaline when I first laid eyes on her.
One time I was at the mall when I was supposed to be in school, when who should come down the corridor but my dad. I took off my glasses and put them in my pocket and brushed my bangs back and he didn’t even look twice when he passed right by us. Going in the opposite direction, too, so we were briefly face-to-face.
It’s surprising how much we rely on very broad cues to recognize even people we know quite well; change your body language, change something as fundamental to your face as glasses, and meet them somewhere they aren’t expecting you, and if you don’t do anything to attract their attention they will skip right over you. Once avoided a girl who’d been actively *looking* for me by taking off my perpetual hat and, again, my glasses; she sat right beside me with her friends as I was reading for about five minutes, and again, didn’t even notice me.
Frankly, I’d be surprised, given how much Amber’s changed, and the difference in the two scenarios under which they’ve met, if Sal *did* recognize her. Mind you, if she ever happens to see Amber crying and borderline-hysterical at a gas station, there might be a sudden realization of why Amber had looked vaguely familiar.
Ess
And yet Sal, who is taller, older, more composed, and now with straighter hair, was easily recognised all of these years later by Amber, in spite of so many cues changed. Why is this a one-way street?
Leorale
Some people just have an eye for faces. (I know because I don’t.)
Shadow12000
Oh gee, I dunno, I could guess it’s either one of two things: Amber has a better memory, or Amber was much more mentally scarred by the event that she has the memory of the person who used her only friend as a hostage. Sal was stabbed in her hand, and seems like much more the kind of person who can move on from something like that. She’s Sal after all.
Shadow12000
memory of the person who used her only friend as a hostage burned into her mind.*
Sorry, was trying to word that better and forgot to actually finish it. It’s late.
fogel
Add to that, Amber was focused on Sal, whereas Sal wasn’t really paying real attention to Amber OR Ethan as individuals.
John
Sal was wearing the same clothes!
MsSchiff
“The day you stabbed me in the hand because I took your friend hostage in a misguided attempt to get my parents’ attention was the most important day of your life.
“To me… It was Tuesday.”
Arkadi
WIN
WaytoomanyUIDs
I was starting to think I’d have to post that
StClair
“Yes… YESSSSS.”
Furie
Amber was traumatised, Sal was rabid. One had the details etched in, the other seems to be trying to forget them.
shizuka
I would say that Amber was much more deeply traumatized by the initial encounter. Kinda like the scene from the (god-awful) Street Fighter movie when Bison is talking to Chun-Li. I paraphrase: “For you, the day I destroyed your village and murdered your father was the defining moment in your life. For me, it was Tuesday…”
Vastin
I’d just like to note, for one of the worst movies ever, that was nevertheless one of the best quotes ever.
A simple and biting deconstruction of how different people’s (and characters) perceptions can be, even at the same place and time.
insomniac
I’m not saying it’s impossible or even implausible. Just that it’s a different question than the one Ace thought Jordan was asking.
gka
Aye. This is why the basic trick for changing one’s identity (as a man, at least) is to shave and get a hair cut. Instantly, one looks completely different.
Paul1963
Never underestimate the importance of context when speculating on whether someone would recognize someone else. I know I’ve always had an issue with not immediately recognizing people when I see them in a different setting than I’m used to. Obviously, it’s not a problem with close friends, but if I run into someone from work outside the office, there’s a pretty good chance I won’t know them right away.
Cody B
My guess is that she was on all the drugs.
Vibbles
Eh, she was a little brunette girl at the time; now she’s a young brunette woman. People have a hard enough time remembering faces/physical traits of assailants shortly after an attack, as adults, when describing them to police- expecting someone to immediately recognize a person ten years after the fact when it happened in her own youth and her attacker has…. y’know, grown up, is expecting a bit much, I’d think.
DocHarleen
Ohhhh shit. Good point about the gloves! That hadn’t clicked yet. Damn, Willis is fucking brilliant with these long-running details. Dang.
Arkadi
My thoughts exactly. But it was dark, and she probably didn’t get to take a good look at her.
Wigii!
This might be while sal wears gloves all the time, to hide her stab scar.
Ghola
She didn’t twist the blade, looked like it went in between the bones of her hand. Should be fine. well as fine as a stab wound that can imbed the blade into hood of a cop car could be.
KingMabel
Red eyes? You can get that out in photoshop right?
fawndolyn