I ship it if it means Marcie will make up with Sal.
a/snow mous/e
It most definitely does not mean that. Malaya is only getting with Joe to spite Sal.
dralou
Which could be the wake up call for Marcie, as she’d finally couldn’t deny that even the nicest-looking ass is not worth it enough to ignore the stench that comes from an asshole like Malaya.
It’s been a couple of days.
That said, it wasn’t like he turned down women in that time. He just didn’t hit on any women in that time.
The first woman to come on to him, and he jumps at the chance.
Of course, it had the added benefits of dumping Faz sitting duty on someone else and avoiding Joyce’s pointed question.
Plot twist: Joe is not a very good babysitter and he kinda let his new stepsister down.
Joe Angel
I’m hoping Joe realizes through all this that it doesn’t take a monogamous relationship to seriously let someone down by folliowing his junk around.
Then again, I do think people crack down on Joelaya too hard.
Aside from the awful Faz situation Joe dumped on Joyce, Malaya’s words are the truth; they’re attracted to each other and consenting adults, badabing badaboom.
thejeff
Well, there’s also the awful part where she’s doing this to show Sal up, but that’s not Joe’s responsibility.
das-g
Also, Joe doesn’t even know about that part.
Agemegos
I’m trying to figure out why a fifteen-year-old needs watching.
I have a VERY strong feeling we will se a good example pretty soon.
Agemegos
Sure. If Faz isn’t watched he’ll go and creep the women’s dorm, someone will call campus security, and he’ll be handed over to child services for safe disposal. I get that.
But why does Faz behave in such a bizarre way? Was he raised in a cupboard without human contact?
Joe Angel
Amber was raised by Blaine and got an intense amount of self loathing out of it. While she’s still a social outcast (though less than she thinks she is), her fear of doing wrong caused her to have the motto:
“I don’t make the rules, I just live in fear of them.”
which is why she’s still more well-adjusted than Dina is in many ways, because she’s very sensitive to being perceived as weird.
I’m guessing that Faz coped by swinging the other way and holding on to a weird self-image where he’s a God amongst men and his parents are just ignorant.
Both of them coped by spending way too much time on the internet.
DannyUniverse
I am really not on board with your definition of not being well adjusted. Dina generally seems happy and is liked by her peers. She is infaltised by them, which bothers her, but people are starting to see her as a young adult more and more.
Like it is upsetting when people see different as being badly adjusted. She’s happy, and as far as we know her academic side is going fine too.
thejeff
Dina is adjusting very quickly, but look at her earlier appearances where she was learning basic social skills from Amber, of all people.
Emily
He carried over pretty much entirely unchanged from previous universes which were much less focused on a realistic setting and thus he feels jarringly out of place in a slice-of-life college dramedy where people more or less act like real human beings that could conceivably exist.
Zerodime
You americans have funny colleges where this is “people that could realisticaly exist”
“A second pair of eyes” does not directly imply “I’ll do everything while you fuck of and… fuck.”, but I can sure see how Joe choses to read it that way.
Meanwhile I sorta hope Joyce lets that little turd go off on his own. She has no obligation to look after him. That was Joe’s responsibility.
Agemegos
If he needs a keeper, it’s his parents’ responsibility, or his school’s. He not a toddler.
Omymel
She has no real obligation, but she did say she’s help Amber since Amber protected Dorothy, so I expect she’ll feel a perceived obligation to watch Faz
thejeff
Nah, Joyce needs to pass him on to someone else. I want Faz passed around the whole cast by the end of the day. Either ending with Dina tying him up again or someone casually asking Amber to keep an eye on him.
I think this was a reply to me, so: “assumed responsibility” means a responsibility he took on. If you do a quick Google search for “assumed,” it should come up as the second definition for the word, which will hopefully make it make more sense.
It’s definitely the less commonly used meaning for the word, so I can see how it could be confusing.
Also, to be fair, if I didn’t know Malaya and an IRL version of her came up to me and said that while having the expression in panel 2, I would do the same. Of course, if Malaya said such things to ladies, then Marcie wouldn’t be internally screaming right now. Still… that panel 2 face… damn.
I personally am worried Joe might backslide a bit into jackassery. Not so far as to make an outright ‘List 2.0’ or any of his worst behaviour, but just…more like he was instead of who he’s been trying to be.
Adam Black
If his New list is women who chose Joe, on purpose, to make his list…
~ Ok that has its own set if problems, but at least its consensual.
Malaya IS going feel cheated if he doesnt put her on the list , and give her a 10
Weird, i actually care how Malaya feels right now.
I never did before.
BBCC
Yeah, no, I’m still gonna say ‘don’t put your bang book online for people to subscribe to’.
thejeff
Yeah, took me a bit to see that’s likely where this is going. Joe hasn’t faced the actual threat to his new resolve yet.
Malaya’s not just a hot girl who offered him sex – there’s no real problem with that. She actually wants him because of the list, because of Old Joe’s reputation. That’s going to screw him up big time when he finds out.
Which he will, because she’s going to ask about the list.
For me I was rooting less for Joe keeping an eye on Faz and more for Joe sticking with this difficult conversation and sitting with his emotional vulnerability a little. But alas.
Yumi
It’s that too, but if he’s not ready for the conversation, I can be sympathetic to that. But like, “This person expressed sexual interest in me, so I’m going to go hookup with her”– cool. “This person expressed sexual interest in me, so I’m going to walk away in the middle of a conversation with a friend and leave her responsible for a task I volunteered to take on to help another friend…to hookup with the first person”– less cool.
Tori
Ah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was so focused on Joe bailing in the first place that I managed to gloss over that Joe dumping Faz on Joyce makes the whole thing extra uncool.
(And to be clear, I totally think it’s fine to excuse yourself from uncomfortable conversations you aren’t prepared to have — it’s just that this is so not the way to do it.)
Freemage
There’s one other issue, as well. Joe KNOWS about Joyce’s history, and thus her feelings about being objectified, and how it hurts her.
And he just left her alone. With Faz.
I am currently hoping he catches something distinctly horrible from Malaya.
Ferret
Honestly, I’m kinda hoping Joyce punches Faz in the nose. Granted, Faz, being Faz, will probably see it as a sexual thing, but it’ll still be enjoyable to watch.
I suspect it depends how seriously she wanted to date Malaya – if it was closer to ‘I really want to bang her and maybe dating her after that would be nice’ than she might be okay. If it’s closer to ‘I really want to go out with her’ I suspect she’ll be more upset.
Myeh, she didn’t do anything wrong. She propositioned a person and they were down with it.
And I can only feel bad for Marcie to a point. If you don’t state your feelings, you don’t have any right to be mad if someone else doesn’t respect them.
Not knowingly, no, but it’s like offering a recovering alcoholic a drink, or (more relevantly with Jacob’s “Shortpacked!” continuity) a sex addict a new partner.
Pacce
She didn’t know he was swearing off sex or what have you either. I mean, she’s going for a guy to avoid dealing with her desire to hate fuck Sal, but other than that the worst thing she did was proposition a basic stranger who was well know for taking on all comers.
Stu
Again, true – but you’d still express frustration if someone did that to a recovering addict, knowingly or not. Hence – “God dammit, Malaya.”
timemonkey
Not really. It’s Joe who assumed he wasn’t getting sex anytime soon, his problem was how he was treating women, not that he was getting laid.
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Ana Chronistic
[Carla Rutten avatar] Bored.
Doctor_Who
Carla was not a shipper of Joelaya.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
I’m more concerned for Marcie who appears to have gone full Blue Screen of Death.
Screwball
Noticed that now. Wonder if she’ll talk to Sal about it…
Joner
who is a shipper of joelaya, someone has to be
brasca1
I ship it if it means Marcie will make up with Sal.
a/snow mous/e
It most definitely does not mean that. Malaya is only getting with Joe to spite Sal.
dralou
Which could be the wake up call for Marcie, as she’d finally couldn’t deny that even the nicest-looking ass is not worth it enough to ignore the stench that comes from an asshole like Malaya.
Deanatay
I can hateship them!
CleverTrousers
It lasted three hours. It was like you slept in one day after having sex.
FLUFFYWOLF
That’s long by Joe standards.
cbwroses
It’s been a couple of days.
That said, it wasn’t like he turned down women in that time. He just didn’t hit on any women in that time.
The first woman to come on to him, and he jumps at the chance.
Of course, it had the added benefits of dumping Faz sitting duty on someone else and avoiding Joyce’s pointed question.
CleverTrousers
I was counting from the end of his and Danny’s day of shenanigans when it actually set in but Joyce broke her toe after that, didn’t she?
cbwroses
Yes she did. I think this is day two of the broken toe
thejeff
But it was the hitting on women and rating them that was the problem. There’s nothing actually wrong with him jumping at Malaya’s offer, right?
Other than dumping Faz on Joyce and walking out on their conversation.
Heavensrun
Honestly, I think this really has way more to do with running away from Joyce’s question than it has to do with Malaya’s offer.
AnvilPro
I mean, I would also take any possible escape of a really awkward situation so I ain’t gonna fault Joe on this one
Yumi
Mainly I fault him for abandoning his assumed responsibility of watching Faz.
Doctor_Who
Yeah, Malaya is only 0.2 Fazes on the obnoxiometer.
Marsh Maryrose
I am still trying to figure out how, in Joe’s mind, it is in any way, shape, or form Joyce’s responsibility to watch Faz.
Bathymetheus
She’s standing there.
Pat
But does she have style and flair?
Needfuldoer
Does that make Mary C. C.?
Bagge
Plot twist: Joe is not a very good babysitter and he kinda let his new stepsister down.
Joe Angel
I’m hoping Joe realizes through all this that it doesn’t take a monogamous relationship to seriously let someone down by folliowing his junk around.
Then again, I do think people crack down on Joelaya too hard.
Aside from the awful Faz situation Joe dumped on Joyce, Malaya’s words are the truth; they’re attracted to each other and consenting adults, badabing badaboom.
thejeff
Well, there’s also the awful part where she’s doing this to show Sal up, but that’s not Joe’s responsibility.
das-g
Also, Joe doesn’t even know about that part.
Agemegos
I’m trying to figure out why a fifteen-year-old needs watching.
Bagge
I have a VERY strong feeling we will se a good example pretty soon.
Agemegos
Sure. If Faz isn’t watched he’ll go and creep the women’s dorm, someone will call campus security, and he’ll be handed over to child services for safe disposal. I get that.
But why does Faz behave in such a bizarre way? Was he raised in a cupboard without human contact?
Joe Angel
Amber was raised by Blaine and got an intense amount of self loathing out of it. While she’s still a social outcast (though less than she thinks she is), her fear of doing wrong caused her to have the motto:
“I don’t make the rules, I just live in fear of them.”
which is why she’s still more well-adjusted than Dina is in many ways, because she’s very sensitive to being perceived as weird.
I’m guessing that Faz coped by swinging the other way and holding on to a weird self-image where he’s a God amongst men and his parents are just ignorant.
Both of them coped by spending way too much time on the internet.
DannyUniverse
I am really not on board with your definition of not being well adjusted. Dina generally seems happy and is liked by her peers. She is infaltised by them, which bothers her, but people are starting to see her as a young adult more and more.
Like it is upsetting when people see different as being badly adjusted. She’s happy, and as far as we know her academic side is going fine too.
thejeff
Dina is adjusting very quickly, but look at her earlier appearances where she was learning basic social skills from Amber, of all people.
Emily
He carried over pretty much entirely unchanged from previous universes which were much less focused on a realistic setting and thus he feels jarringly out of place in a slice-of-life college dramedy where people more or less act like real human beings that could conceivably exist.
Zerodime
You americans have funny colleges where this is “people that could realisticaly exist”
Tualha
Joyce offered to help watch Faz about five minutes ago, for excellent reasons.
Bagge
“A second pair of eyes” does not directly imply “I’ll do everything while you fuck of and… fuck.”, but I can sure see how Joe choses to read it that way.
Tacos
Meanwhile I sorta hope Joyce lets that little turd go off on his own. She has no obligation to look after him. That was Joe’s responsibility.
Agemegos
If he needs a keeper, it’s his parents’ responsibility, or his school’s. He not a toddler.
Omymel
She has no real obligation, but she did say she’s help Amber since Amber protected Dorothy, so I expect she’ll feel a perceived obligation to watch Faz
thejeff
Nah, Joyce needs to pass him on to someone else. I want Faz passed around the whole cast by the end of the day. Either ending with Dina tying him up again or someone casually asking Amber to keep an eye on him.
Pat
Wasn’t that an explicit responsibility?
Yumi
I think this was a reply to me, so: “assumed responsibility” means a responsibility he took on. If you do a quick Google search for “assumed,” it should come up as the second definition for the word, which will hopefully make it make more sense.
It’s definitely the less commonly used meaning for the word, so I can see how it could be confusing.
LeslieBean4Shizzle
Also, to be fair, if I didn’t know Malaya and an IRL version of her came up to me and said that while having the expression in panel 2, I would do the same. Of course, if Malaya said such things to ladies, then Marcie wouldn’t be internally screaming right now. Still… that panel 2 face… damn.
Marisa Mockery
Faz has already drawn a chart showing his arousal at panel 2 Malaya’s face.
JetstreamGW
Behold, our utterly predictable response.
Mordecai
Well, that sucks
Johan
Ugh
Yumi
*insert that “I was rooting for you! We were all rooting for you! gif*
timemonkey
To what, keep an eye on Faz? This changes nothing. A casual hookup is fine, it’s not the same as treating women like objects.
Yumi
I mean, yeah, watching Faz, and how he himself sees to view this as backsliding, which in turn can feed into additional backsliding.
I have nothing against casual hookups. They are literally all my sexual relationships.
BBCC
I personally am worried Joe might backslide a bit into jackassery. Not so far as to make an outright ‘List 2.0’ or any of his worst behaviour, but just…more like he was instead of who he’s been trying to be.
Adam Black
If his New list is women who chose Joe, on purpose, to make his list…
~ Ok that has its own set if problems, but at least its consensual.
Malaya IS going feel cheated if he doesnt put her on the list , and give her a 10
Weird, i actually care how Malaya feels right now.
I never did before.
BBCC
Yeah, no, I’m still gonna say ‘don’t put your bang book online for people to subscribe to’.
thejeff
Yeah, took me a bit to see that’s likely where this is going. Joe hasn’t faced the actual threat to his new resolve yet.
Malaya’s not just a hot girl who offered him sex – there’s no real problem with that. She actually wants him because of the list, because of Old Joe’s reputation. That’s going to screw him up big time when he finds out.
Which he will, because she’s going to ask about the list.
Tori
For me I was rooting less for Joe keeping an eye on Faz and more for Joe sticking with this difficult conversation and sitting with his emotional vulnerability a little. But alas.
Yumi
It’s that too, but if he’s not ready for the conversation, I can be sympathetic to that. But like, “This person expressed sexual interest in me, so I’m going to go hookup with her”– cool. “This person expressed sexual interest in me, so I’m going to walk away in the middle of a conversation with a friend and leave her responsible for a task I volunteered to take on to help another friend…to hookup with the first person”– less cool.
Tori
Ah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was so focused on Joe bailing in the first place that I managed to gloss over that Joe dumping Faz on Joyce makes the whole thing extra uncool.
(And to be clear, I totally think it’s fine to excuse yourself from uncomfortable conversations you aren’t prepared to have — it’s just that this is so not the way to do it.)
Freemage
There’s one other issue, as well. Joe KNOWS about Joyce’s history, and thus her feelings about being objectified, and how it hurts her.
And he just left her alone. With Faz.
I am currently hoping he catches something distinctly horrible from Malaya.
Ferret
Honestly, I’m kinda hoping Joyce punches Faz in the nose. Granted, Faz, being Faz, will probably see it as a sexual thing, but it’ll still be enjoyable to watch.
3oranges
You were the chosen one!
TheHorseCouncil
Is that a multiplex reference?
King Daniel
It’s a Star Wars reference.
Opus the Poet
So, yes.
Deanatay
“Yes, I was. This hot chick right here chose ME! Who am I to say no?”
Stu
God dammit, Malaya.
Stu
Though on that note, it should be interesting to see how Marcie responds to this development.
BBCC
I suspect it depends how seriously she wanted to date Malaya – if it was closer to ‘I really want to bang her and maybe dating her after that would be nice’ than she might be okay. If it’s closer to ‘I really want to go out with her’ I suspect she’ll be more upset.
Pacce
Myeh, she didn’t do anything wrong. She propositioned a person and they were down with it.
And I can only feel bad for Marcie to a point. If you don’t state your feelings, you don’t have any right to be mad if someone else doesn’t respect them.
Stu
Not knowingly, no, but it’s like offering a recovering alcoholic a drink, or (more relevantly with Jacob’s “Shortpacked!” continuity) a sex addict a new partner.
Pacce
She didn’t know he was swearing off sex or what have you either. I mean, she’s going for a guy to avoid dealing with her desire to hate fuck Sal, but other than that the worst thing she did was proposition a basic stranger who was well know for taking on all comers.
Stu
Again, true – but you’d still express frustration if someone did that to a recovering addict, knowingly or not. Hence – “God dammit, Malaya.”
timemonkey
Not really. It’s Joe who assumed he wasn’t getting sex anytime soon, his problem was how he was treating women, not that he was getting laid.