Sorry to derail whatever topic we were going to have in this strip tonight but I I’m serious, I’m not even calling her this to be insulting. Recently I’ve been hearing multiple people mention behavior that can indicate someone as a sociopath I feel like She checks a lot of those boxes.
Yes her prejudice is a problem but I don’t think that alone makes since out of her action throughout the comic. I think back about how detached she was about Walkys kidnapping and the only thing she seemed to feel was a sense of vindictiveness and the minute she got what she wanted through someone’s death she was so nonchalant about it.
I’m not expert so I got to ask anyone here who more familiar with this. Does Linda Ironically portray the action of a sociopath?
Sociopath is no longer a valid diagnosis. Also, as someone who’s (elsewhere) in Cluster B–where people formerly labeled “sociopaths” would go–it leads to a culture of stigma against people with personality disorders to throw those words around and armchair diagnose anyone we don’t like.
Obviously this is a much greater issue when it comes to real people, e.g. the current problem of labeling anyone we don’t like as “sociopaths,” “psychopaths,” or “narcissists” when a lot of the time, they don’t even have a PD; they just have a shit-ton of privilege that’s never been pushed back against.
But the watering-down of that term, and suggesting (implicitly or explicitly) that anyone who has those PDs is inherently an evil person (fun fact: there’s no such thing as an “automatically bad person” disorder!) leads to people with PDs being unable to find resources, support, or help. Many of us don’t harm anyone, and even the ones who have, they still deserve resources and help.
(Also, PDs almost always manifest as a result of major childhood trauma. Which means blanket demonizing all PDs is just plain victim-shaming.)
Sorry, I know this devolved into a rant, but it’s hard trying to find resources to help live with a disorder that turns your emotions into the equivalent of sandpaper on 3rd degree burns, and then finding nothing but “all people with X are evil manipulators” and “10 reasons you should cut off people in your life with x!” and then you go onto one of your favorite webcomics and immediately find this in the comments. Shit sucks.
Anyway, I’d say Linda does just fall into the category I mentioned of “people who just have too much privilege and haven’t faced enough consequences in their lives.” She doesn’t seem to have a history of childhood trauma or exhibit *that* many signs of anything like ASPD. She’s just an asshole who chooses to mistreat marginalized people.
sultryglebe
Good points.
Ray
I feel like this comment needs validating backup, because it’s shit as hell to come in and find a top comment using decades-outdated/debunked pop psych analysis that insults actual sideways-wired people on the sideways-wired characters comic.
I don’t tend to avoid this comment section because it’s usually better than that. The chronological timing of the Yowch, *unrelated to anything going on in the current comic*, was uhh. Wow.
yak
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Vanessa
Exactly what I was thinking. She isn’t seeking help or therapy right now, she’s just a mean mom who’d rather cut off her kids than face her own shortcomings. She isn’t a war criminal or even a murderer in this timeline, just a jerk. We can just call her a bad person. Frankly despite Lucy’s experience I doubt Linda would be nice to Dorothy for more than a brief visit either. Dorothy being a liberal atheist intellectual and a jew would not sit well.
Vanessa
Being a bigoted racist isn’t a psychiatric problem, it’s a choice.
Taffy
It’s vital that you know I misread part of this as “who’d rather cut off her kids’ face”.
Charlotte
Yeah, I think it’s in general a mistake to think that people who do bad things list have some underlying disorder that makes them that way. Same thing happens when people argue that dictators and their torture bosses have to be psychopaths to do what they do or whatever – there is in fact plenty of evidence that such people are usually perfectly normal people. (Well, authoritarian leaders actually almost all seem to have a very particular personality profile and way of thinking, but that is NOT a personality disorder. Read Bob Altemeyer if interested.)
eh, whatever
That said, there are people who have no sympathy for anybody and have no trauma whatsoever.
They don’t all do anything evil; by far. But the ones that do…
Cassie
It’s 100% a mistake and ableist as hell to assume that people do bad things solely due to mental illness/disorders, or to look for those things to explain the bad stuff. The logical reverse of that is that all people who have mental illness/disorders do bad things. And I don’t think I need to explain why that in particular is a very dangerous conclusion to come to.
This. Once had a friend who told me he was sociopathic. Perfectly decent person, frankly, who put thought and effort into how he treated people and did his best by them, even if he was a bit vindicative when he felt justice needed doing. And, possibly tellingly? Not a guy with much privilege, who’d been fucked over by the system several times.
All of this. The way people with personality disorders are treated even by medical professionals, often, is abysmal. The very diagnosis of personality disorders as distinct entities is very much up for debate in the psychiatric community.
I say this as someone who has armchair diagnosed my mother as BPD. She was indeed abusive. She does indeed have incredible trauma, and she is a complex human being, not a caricature of a monster. I have seen other people with probable BPD (post horrific abuse) refuse to seek help because they’ve heard the doctors they work with say they’re “unfixable” – and in a sneering way. I have a friend with BPD who has been treated as an abuser by most people she’s admitted it to – and has been waiting to see a specialist for literally years because so few people practice it. The stigma is unreal.
As for Linda? She’s a racist arsehole who is obsessed with status. That is not a mental illness, nor particularly uncommon.
ian livs
Yep, BPD’s the one I’ve got, and even the person who “soft diagnosed” it was like “listen, we’re not actually putting this in your file, bc it will make medical professionals treat you like garbage and take away a lot of your agency.” They apparently just write “mood disorder” for a lot of us instead.
And while I don’t generally like armchair diagnosing people with stuff, I do feel you as somebody else who’s like, “Hmm, my mom shows a lot of the same symptoms I do.” I feel for her, she did some really bad things, she’s been through some really bad things, she sucks, she tries her best, and she’s an incredibly complicated person. Sending you internet hugs if you want them
Yeah, most of the people who use BPD and other psychiatric terms to refer to jerks like Linda literally do not know what those words even mean, just that they are intensely condemning — in an English language/culture into which bigotries of all sorts has been interwoven in many MANY ways over the centuries.
This is the unfortunately common phenomena of the internet taking a word and running with it, if only because they cannot be bothered to think of any other words to express how much they despise her.
Honestly might as well just say “Linda is double plus ungood”.
Hroethvitnir
I’m sure you won’t see this, but I’m glad your medical team has your back/sad it’s needed/also sympathy for the BPD. I have been “soft diagnosed” with C-PTSD and did ask about BPD – my psychiatrist says probably not. There is enough overlap between PTSD and BPD (even if it doesn’t turn out they’re actually different presentations of the same thing) that I can definitely relate!
Sadly, BPD or not (*certainly* PTSD), my mother is never going to get the help she needs because it hurts too much to dig into. (I know far, far more about my mother’s life and feelings than I ought to.) Unfortunately for her I cannot feel safe with her in my life, but I hope the rest of it can be OK.
One other thing, too. Racists like Linda tend to see things as “here’s the nice little in-group” and “here’s the outgroups”. And if you’re part of an “out-group”, you get used to dehumanization and mistreatment from just about everyone.
Her response to Walky being kidnapped is within the normal gamut of responses. She’s a lawyer, and likely a prosecutor. She sinks herself into work, and being on the offensive is part of her job. If your son gets hurt, your anger makes you want to watch the world burn.
This is her going full mama bear, as much as it can be seen as vindictive and callous. She’s not good with comforting and understanding others. That’s more in Charles’ wheelhouse.
Linda is far more like a lot of us all than we care to notice. I mean, if you look at the current state of politics, that kind of dehumanizing behavior exists in spades. Just look at the astounding lack of empathy undocumented immigrants, transgender people, and black people in America experience with discriminatory policies. It’s not a psychological disorder that causes these. It’s human prejudice and bigotry that enables them.
If you want a good fictional example of a “sociopath” (in this case, someone who literally is incapable of empathizing with others on an emotional level), I highly recommend the game “Shadowrun: Hong Kong” as the character, Racter, is a very intriguing/engaging one.
while sociopath is not a personality disorder, it still describes a set of personality traits that I think is meaningfully different from “just privileged”, and I think it makes sense to consider it something that’s wrong with them.
I had this little theory buzzing around in my head for a while and in a drunken haste last night I decided I didn’t want to wait till she was brought up again to talk about it.
Uly
Never a good idea to post while intoxicated.
Annarchy
Write drunk, Edit sober, Post only after re-vetting.
Linda thinks other people, and especially her children, are props that exist to make her more comfortable, successful and respected. She thinks she knows better than everyone and she has no problem shouting and throwing money and favors at everyone her until she gets her way. She might qualify for a diagnosis of narcissism and whatever, but the thing is there’s plenty of narcissists who know better. Her problem isn’t that she’s ill; her problem is that she’s an asshole. Or rather, it’s everyone else’s problem.
“Old Universe” Sarah was Joe’s college girlfriend. So, yeah, you could say they’re compatible. He was already in love with Joyce by that point, but… (Door slam in face!)
I was kinda also imagining it was a threesome… nightmare. Joe does still seem a little shell-shocked by the newest version of Joyce, but I’m guessing he’s torn between being attracted to her new attitude and also being worried (probably rightly) that she’s putting on a front and will regret her choices later. it’s probably gonna be weird for a bit but…. I believe in them.
Lucy being able to drink whiskey straight is not something I expected. Also dear god don’t mix Sprite and whiskey, just use the soda as a chaser you don’t want any part of what you’re about to have, Joyce.
That she says she’s accustomed sure makes it sound like she’s had drinks with one or both of her roomies. Which is…neither one has ever been what I’d call friendly to Lucy, or interested is spending time with her. Jennifer I could see because she’s an entire high school’s worth of peer pressure and she likes to be the party girl, but Malaya? And I feel like this might have merited notice before, given the disdain both of them have for Lucy. I’m intrigued.
I’ve never understood people’s reactions to drinking whiskey straight. It’s a sipping drink, you just have little bits at a time and it’s no worse than any other drink.
Depends on the whiskey.
For instance, I find Jack Daniel’s to be incredibly offensive and gross.
But Mellow Corn, Baby Blue Balcones, Larceny, and the Irish and Scotch whiskeys I have tried are all fine.
zee
Yeah same, I’m not into most whiskey but my favorite alcohol when I was 17 other than Smirnoff ice was the bottle of American Honey bourbon I’d sneak from the liquor cabinet at midnight
superglucose
Jack Daniels is horse swill and I will never understand its prominence. If you want a burny, fiery whiskey just drink *actual* bourbon like Jim Beam or Evan Williams (bottled-in-bond >>>> and it’s also fucking cheap)
235 thoughts on “Seasoned”
NGPZ
*plays “Easy Breezy” by Chelmico on hacked muzak*
Newlland(Henryvolt)
Linda Walkerton might a sociopath…
Sorry to derail whatever topic we were going to have in this strip tonight but I I’m serious, I’m not even calling her this to be insulting. Recently I’ve been hearing multiple people mention behavior that can indicate someone as a sociopath I feel like She checks a lot of those boxes.
Yes her prejudice is a problem but I don’t think that alone makes since out of her action throughout the comic. I think back about how detached she was about Walkys kidnapping and the only thing she seemed to feel was a sense of vindictiveness and the minute she got what she wanted through someone’s death she was so nonchalant about it.
I’m not expert so I got to ask anyone here who more familiar with this. Does Linda Ironically portray the action of a sociopath?
jeffepp
Yes, and?
She was in the old universe, so we kind of expect it in this one.
NGPZ
at least tonight we got something perfect to wash that state cracker woman taste out of our mouths:
– Joyce dropping two more F-bombs,
– Finding out that goodie two-shoes Lucy has been drinkin before
– Dina tipsy for the very first time!!!! *^v^*
YIPPEE!!!!!
NGPZ
*stale cracker
butting
Dina’s sparkles-to-bubbles ratio is very appealing high, yes.
butting
*appealingly, dammit
ian livs
Sociopath is no longer a valid diagnosis. Also, as someone who’s (elsewhere) in Cluster B–where people formerly labeled “sociopaths” would go–it leads to a culture of stigma against people with personality disorders to throw those words around and armchair diagnose anyone we don’t like.
Obviously this is a much greater issue when it comes to real people, e.g. the current problem of labeling anyone we don’t like as “sociopaths,” “psychopaths,” or “narcissists” when a lot of the time, they don’t even have a PD; they just have a shit-ton of privilege that’s never been pushed back against.
But the watering-down of that term, and suggesting (implicitly or explicitly) that anyone who has those PDs is inherently an evil person (fun fact: there’s no such thing as an “automatically bad person” disorder!) leads to people with PDs being unable to find resources, support, or help. Many of us don’t harm anyone, and even the ones who have, they still deserve resources and help.
(Also, PDs almost always manifest as a result of major childhood trauma. Which means blanket demonizing all PDs is just plain victim-shaming.)
Sorry, I know this devolved into a rant, but it’s hard trying to find resources to help live with a disorder that turns your emotions into the equivalent of sandpaper on 3rd degree burns, and then finding nothing but “all people with X are evil manipulators” and “10 reasons you should cut off people in your life with x!” and then you go onto one of your favorite webcomics and immediately find this in the comments. Shit sucks.
ian livs
Anyway, I’d say Linda does just fall into the category I mentioned of “people who just have too much privilege and haven’t faced enough consequences in their lives.” She doesn’t seem to have a history of childhood trauma or exhibit *that* many signs of anything like ASPD. She’s just an asshole who chooses to mistreat marginalized people.
sultryglebe
Good points.
Ray
I feel like this comment needs validating backup, because it’s shit as hell to come in and find a top comment using decades-outdated/debunked pop psych analysis that insults actual sideways-wired people on the sideways-wired characters comic.
I don’t tend to avoid this comment section because it’s usually better than that. The chronological timing of the Yowch, *unrelated to anything going on in the current comic*, was uhh. Wow.
yak
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Vanessa
Exactly what I was thinking. She isn’t seeking help or therapy right now, she’s just a mean mom who’d rather cut off her kids than face her own shortcomings. She isn’t a war criminal or even a murderer in this timeline, just a jerk. We can just call her a bad person. Frankly despite Lucy’s experience I doubt Linda would be nice to Dorothy for more than a brief visit either. Dorothy being a liberal atheist intellectual and a jew would not sit well.
Vanessa
Being a bigoted racist isn’t a psychiatric problem, it’s a choice.
Taffy
It’s vital that you know I misread part of this as “who’d rather cut off her kids’ face”.
Charlotte
Yeah, I think it’s in general a mistake to think that people who do bad things list have some underlying disorder that makes them that way. Same thing happens when people argue that dictators and their torture bosses have to be psychopaths to do what they do or whatever – there is in fact plenty of evidence that such people are usually perfectly normal people. (Well, authoritarian leaders actually almost all seem to have a very particular personality profile and way of thinking, but that is NOT a personality disorder. Read Bob Altemeyer if interested.)
eh, whatever
That said, there are people who have no sympathy for anybody and have no trauma whatsoever.
They don’t all do anything evil; by far. But the ones that do…
Cassie
It’s 100% a mistake and ableist as hell to assume that people do bad things solely due to mental illness/disorders, or to look for those things to explain the bad stuff. The logical reverse of that is that all people who have mental illness/disorders do bad things. And I don’t think I need to explain why that in particular is a very dangerous conclusion to come to.
Jamie
This. Once had a friend who told me he was sociopathic. Perfectly decent person, frankly, who put thought and effort into how he treated people and did his best by them, even if he was a bit vindicative when he felt justice needed doing. And, possibly tellingly? Not a guy with much privilege, who’d been fucked over by the system several times.
Agemegos
Preach it!
Hroethvitnir
All of this. The way people with personality disorders are treated even by medical professionals, often, is abysmal. The very diagnosis of personality disorders as distinct entities is very much up for debate in the psychiatric community.
I say this as someone who has armchair diagnosed my mother as BPD. She was indeed abusive. She does indeed have incredible trauma, and she is a complex human being, not a caricature of a monster. I have seen other people with probable BPD (post horrific abuse) refuse to seek help because they’ve heard the doctors they work with say they’re “unfixable” – and in a sneering way. I have a friend with BPD who has been treated as an abuser by most people she’s admitted it to – and has been waiting to see a specialist for literally years because so few people practice it. The stigma is unreal.
As for Linda? She’s a racist arsehole who is obsessed with status. That is not a mental illness, nor particularly uncommon.
ian livs
Yep, BPD’s the one I’ve got, and even the person who “soft diagnosed” it was like “listen, we’re not actually putting this in your file, bc it will make medical professionals treat you like garbage and take away a lot of your agency.” They apparently just write “mood disorder” for a lot of us instead.
And while I don’t generally like armchair diagnosing people with stuff, I do feel you as somebody else who’s like, “Hmm, my mom shows a lot of the same symptoms I do.” I feel for her, she did some really bad things, she’s been through some really bad things, she sucks, she tries her best, and she’s an incredibly complicated person. Sending you internet hugs if you want them
Linda’s just a garden variety kind of jerk.
NGPZ
Yeah, most of the people who use BPD and other psychiatric terms to refer to jerks like Linda literally do not know what those words even mean, just that they are intensely condemning — in an English language/culture into which bigotries of all sorts has been interwoven in many MANY ways over the centuries.
This is the unfortunately common phenomena of the internet taking a word and running with it, if only because they cannot be bothered to think of any other words to express how much they despise her.
Honestly might as well just say “Linda is double plus ungood”.
Hroethvitnir
I’m sure you won’t see this, but I’m glad your medical team has your back/sad it’s needed/also sympathy for the BPD. I have been “soft diagnosed” with C-PTSD and did ask about BPD – my psychiatrist says probably not. There is enough overlap between PTSD and BPD (even if it doesn’t turn out they’re actually different presentations of the same thing) that I can definitely relate!
Sadly, BPD or not (*certainly* PTSD), my mother is never going to get the help she needs because it hurts too much to dig into. (I know far, far more about my mother’s life and feelings than I ought to.) Unfortunately for her I cannot feel safe with her in my life, but I hope the rest of it can be OK.
TulipKitten
One other thing, too. Racists like Linda tend to see things as “here’s the nice little in-group” and “here’s the outgroups”. And if you’re part of an “out-group”, you get used to dehumanization and mistreatment from just about everyone.
Her response to Walky being kidnapped is within the normal gamut of responses. She’s a lawyer, and likely a prosecutor. She sinks herself into work, and being on the offensive is part of her job. If your son gets hurt, your anger makes you want to watch the world burn.
This is her going full mama bear, as much as it can be seen as vindictive and callous. She’s not good with comforting and understanding others. That’s more in Charles’ wheelhouse.
Linda is far more like a lot of us all than we care to notice. I mean, if you look at the current state of politics, that kind of dehumanizing behavior exists in spades. Just look at the astounding lack of empathy undocumented immigrants, transgender people, and black people in America experience with discriminatory policies. It’s not a psychological disorder that causes these. It’s human prejudice and bigotry that enables them.
Stu
If you want a good fictional example of a “sociopath” (in this case, someone who literally is incapable of empathizing with others on an emotional level), I highly recommend the game “Shadowrun: Hong Kong” as the character, Racter, is a very intriguing/engaging one.
thejeff
Fun game. Loved that whole series actually.
yak
while sociopath is not a personality disorder, it still describes a set of personality traits that I think is meaningfully different from “just privileged”, and I think it makes sense to consider it something that’s wrong with them.
LIGHTWEIGHT BAYBEE
i mean she is kinda a monster in walkyverse and even in the mellowed out (relatively) DOAverse thats gotta translate
lyzyrdwyzyrd
There the fuck did this come from?? She isn’t even on panel and hasn’t for ages.
Newlland(Henryvolt)
I had this little theory buzzing around in my head for a while and in a drunken haste last night I decided I didn’t want to wait till she was brought up again to talk about it.
Uly
Never a good idea to post while intoxicated.
Annarchy
Write drunk, Edit sober, Post only after re-vetting.
S.R.
Well, that’s not the medical term any more, so no.
Amelie Wikström
Linda thinks other people, and especially her children, are props that exist to make her more comfortable, successful and respected. She thinks she knows better than everyone and she has no problem shouting and throwing money and favors at everyone her until she gets her way. She might qualify for a diagnosis of narcissism and whatever, but the thing is there’s plenty of narcissists who know better. Her problem isn’t that she’s ill; her problem is that she’s an asshole. Or rather, it’s everyone else’s problem.
Sirksome
Oh no, Joyce is using the word “fuck” like a sentence enhancer!
NGPZ
OH YES >:D
it’s gonna be just like “Sailor Mouth” I ready with popcorn and malt liquor!!!!!
this the storyline that makes you go what?
OOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
makes you go what?
OOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
makes you go what?
OOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Vanessa
I thought of that Star Trek where Spock adds in swear words randomly to sound like an American of our century. Cringe!
anonymsly
Colorful metaphors, like ‘double dumbass on you’ and so forth.
Vanessa
lol thumb up exactly
Mark
I believe that was Kirk, trying out Spock’s method since boombox-guy was making it plausible.
anonymsly
Kirk did say that, but the specific quote was Spock asking why. 🙂
Michael Steamweed
“They are not the hell ‘your’ whales.”
anonymsly
‘Oh, did they tell you that?’
‘The hell they did.’
Maveric1984
Sailor Mouth was always my favorite Sailor Scout. I thought her “FINAL FBOMB ATTACK!” was really cool
lyzyrdwyzyrd
Fighting evil by moonlight
Winning love by daylight
Never running from a real fight
She is the one named Sailor Mouth
Jeremiah
As she should!
Taffy
So, she’s using it correctly.
Dante
Fam that’s like the first thing one learns when you learn English
shadowcell
Dumbing of Age Book 14: I Say “Fuck” Now!
Reltzik
Team Joeyce: “No, WE’RE the ones saying ‘Fuck now!'”
Reltzik
…. is the recurring nightmare a Sarah/Joe/Joyce threesome?
(Also, Joe still doesn’t look happy about this.)
Sirksome
Joe does have a lot of physical traits we know Sarah is attracted to. Maybe it will happen.
Dante
Vice versa too, tho. Joe literally told her he was into her violent side, and got Imaginative when she threatened him with her bat :’DD
butting
“Big boy”.
Ahem.
jeffepp
“Old Universe” Sarah was Joe’s college girlfriend. So, yeah, you could say they’re compatible. He was already in love with Joyce by that point, but… (Door slam in face!)
Steelbright
I was kinda also imagining it was a threesome… nightmare. Joe does still seem a little shell-shocked by the newest version of Joyce, but I’m guessing he’s torn between being attracted to her new attitude and also being worried (probably rightly) that she’s putting on a front and will regret her choices later. it’s probably gonna be weird for a bit but…. I believe in them.
RassilonTDavros
My first thought was that it was a callback to Sarah’s imagination in this strip, but on closer inspection it doesn’t seem to match up.
Michael Steamweed
Probably not it. But maybe it won’t take much whisky to get Joyce in that outfit anyway.
Bryy
I’m afraid Joyce is gonna try to do it with Joe while intoxicated.
He’ll say no.
It’ll be awkward.
zee
Probably Joyce getting drunk and sucking every cock in the room. granted that’s only like two right now
thejeff
After that, there’ll still be like a billion to go.
Schpoonman
Lucy being able to drink whiskey straight is not something I expected. Also dear god don’t mix Sprite and whiskey, just use the soda as a chaser you don’t want any part of what you’re about to have, Joyce.
Schpoonman
Joe is picturing that one imagine spot Sarah had of Joyce when Jennifer said she was going to mold Joyce. You all know the one.
pope suburban
That she says she’s accustomed sure makes it sound like she’s had drinks with one or both of her roomies. Which is…neither one has ever been what I’d call friendly to Lucy, or interested is spending time with her. Jennifer I could see because she’s an entire high school’s worth of peer pressure and she likes to be the party girl, but Malaya? And I feel like this might have merited notice before, given the disdain both of them have for Lucy. I’m intrigued.
Vanessa
Agreed. I think Lucy is just casting aspersions.
Dante
+1 to being intrigued, and in special by mentioning Malaya.
Wonder if she tried to be more like her at the beginning, so they could be friends? And of course Malaya went “FAKEY” and it didn’t matter.
Jamie
I would not be surprised if Malaya had tried to get Lucy drunk, actually. Just to see if in vino veritas or something.
Veronica
I’ve never understood people’s reactions to drinking whiskey straight. It’s a sipping drink, you just have little bits at a time and it’s no worse than any other drink.
lyzyrdwyzyrd
Depends on the whiskey.
For instance, I find Jack Daniel’s to be incredibly offensive and gross.
But Mellow Corn, Baby Blue Balcones, Larceny, and the Irish and Scotch whiskeys I have tried are all fine.
zee
Yeah same, I’m not into most whiskey but my favorite alcohol when I was 17 other than Smirnoff ice was the bottle of American Honey bourbon I’d sneak from the liquor cabinet at midnight
superglucose
Jack Daniels is horse swill and I will never understand its prominence. If you want a burny, fiery whiskey just drink *actual* bourbon like Jim Beam or Evan Williams (bottled-in-bond >>>> and it’s also fucking cheap)
Bittersweet